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Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?
Wow... with ilustrationes.... why dont you put more resent one of Vanya with Erdogan? 
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Yes that what you wish to see... and that’s what Ivans want you to think.....
The truth is Russia is no one’s ally ... it is not even ally for Russians....)))) Russia is an unpredictable Shovenistic empire.. And most of the times the foreign policy depends on quantity of vodka consumed ))))
About "infiltrating" and "nfluencing" who holds their hand? But I think russian ( or "new russian" ) armenians are much more busy influecing and infiltrating russian state for their own needs rather than doing any thing usefull for armenia.
Originally posted by Tigranakert
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It's largely out of irritation I still continue these worthless discussions and of the extreme inaccuracies people believe in.
This just shows your political immaturity, how can I even have a serious discussion if you think Turkey and Russia are historically strategic allies? Stop your lies to prove your "arguments".
You know why Armenia is what it is today, because of Armenians like you. The thing is, I believe you have good intentions for Armenia, and are more "nationalistic" and committed to help your country than average people. The problem lies in the way you do it.
We should take it one step further. You have to understand, this is not kissing their "ass", as you probably do with every other Western country, but playing the game smart. We have to "infiltrate", be organized to influence their politics. What don't you understand of this?
It's a common fact that it's fare more effective to infiltrate whatever political system there is, and try to influence their politics from the within, than to go against them which will achieve nothing. We will lose our lifeline and never, ever will a European or Western country willing to protect our borders with Turkey, nor willing to arm us with billions of dollars of weapons, nor will we have the chance as we do in Russia today to seriously influence the foreign policy of the country. Don't you understand this? It's plain simple.
And yes, Russia wants the best for country, and it is up to us to convince her that Armenia is strategically important for the well being of the Russian Federation. Let's cut the crap, the day we distantiate ourselves from Russia, it's game over. Who will deliver us nuclear fuel? Without them, we have no energy. Who will deliver us weapons? Without them, we have no army. Who will protect us from the Turks? Without them, the world will allow Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia to eliminate us. Who will invest billions of dollars in our economy? They can just say, hey, all those millions of Armenian guest workers, get the xxxx out of our country, and Armenia won't have the billions of dollars of income they have now, from the Russian-Armenian community.
That's not a fact. The fact is, that power is everything that counts. A fact is, that Artsakh, not even recognized, is Armenian land, and will remain ours. A fact is, that North-Cyprus is under Turkish control. And a "fact" for us is, that we still have not recognized Eastern-Turkey, in our constitution it is Western-Armenia, but who cares for some papers? It's our might that will determine our future.
Even though you do not wish to see it, Russia and Armenia are strategic allies, with or without your stupid "pipeline" argument. Again, don't mix up the Bolsheviks with the Russians. It was not the Russian Federation who signed the document, but the Bolsheviks, whose majority, especially in 1921, were not even ethnic Russians. So stop with your lies.
What the **** do you think Armenia is, to determine what a president should accept or not? Do you think the Russian president cares for some emotional Armenians, to say to a president of another country, Turkey, I don't want your "gift". Ofcourse not, this is politics, not a childs game. Russia also doesn't give a **** about the stupid treaty, they just want their plans to be fulfilled in Turkey. Hell, America is to "afraid" to recognize the Armenian genocide for decades, whereas the Russian presidents have visited Tsitsernakarbert numerous times. Ofcourse, forget that, you Russophobe.
Haha, your last argument, I mean, how much fantasy does one have? There are more Turks in Europe than Armenians, so? There are 3-4 million Turks in Germany, so? There are more Turks in Turkey and Azerbaijan, who gives a xxxx? You think the j-ews were saying, ah, there is no chance for us to succeed, we are too small in number. OFCOURSE NOT, THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY USED THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO OUTPERFORM the others. I can not believe you just said this. I am proud of the Armenians living in Russia, who, even though their small numbers, outperformed most of the other ethnic groups in terms of number of businessman, professors, artists and politicians. What you said is destructive and basically means you are giving up your hope.
And at last, the Tatars in Russia are not as Turks in Turkey, I know a lot of them and heck, most of them hate Turks. There are Azeris, but what do we care, we beat them in Artsakh too even though they were in larger numbers.
It is amazing how many Armenians are in high-ranking positions in the Russian Federation.
Anyways, your next post will probably be something irrelevant too, not once have you (or gegev) tried to argue with the points I made. You just shout and rant and make comments which are based on lies or generalizations.
We must take full advantage of our situation, not break things down.
Long live the Armenian people, and long live the Armenian-Russian strategic alliance.
This just shows your political immaturity, how can I even have a serious discussion if you think Turkey and Russia are historically strategic allies? Stop your lies to prove your "arguments".
You know why Armenia is what it is today, because of Armenians like you. The thing is, I believe you have good intentions for Armenia, and are more "nationalistic" and committed to help your country than average people. The problem lies in the way you do it.
We should take it one step further. You have to understand, this is not kissing their "ass", as you probably do with every other Western country, but playing the game smart. We have to "infiltrate", be organized to influence their politics. What don't you understand of this?
It's a common fact that it's fare more effective to infiltrate whatever political system there is, and try to influence their politics from the within, than to go against them which will achieve nothing. We will lose our lifeline and never, ever will a European or Western country willing to protect our borders with Turkey, nor willing to arm us with billions of dollars of weapons, nor will we have the chance as we do in Russia today to seriously influence the foreign policy of the country. Don't you understand this? It's plain simple.
And yes, Russia wants the best for country, and it is up to us to convince her that Armenia is strategically important for the well being of the Russian Federation. Let's cut the crap, the day we distantiate ourselves from Russia, it's game over. Who will deliver us nuclear fuel? Without them, we have no energy. Who will deliver us weapons? Without them, we have no army. Who will protect us from the Turks? Without them, the world will allow Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia to eliminate us. Who will invest billions of dollars in our economy? They can just say, hey, all those millions of Armenian guest workers, get the xxxx out of our country, and Armenia won't have the billions of dollars of income they have now, from the Russian-Armenian community.
That's not a fact. The fact is, that power is everything that counts. A fact is, that Artsakh, not even recognized, is Armenian land, and will remain ours. A fact is, that North-Cyprus is under Turkish control. And a "fact" for us is, that we still have not recognized Eastern-Turkey, in our constitution it is Western-Armenia, but who cares for some papers? It's our might that will determine our future.
Even though you do not wish to see it, Russia and Armenia are strategic allies, with or without your stupid "pipeline" argument. Again, don't mix up the Bolsheviks with the Russians. It was not the Russian Federation who signed the document, but the Bolsheviks, whose majority, especially in 1921, were not even ethnic Russians. So stop with your lies.
What the **** do you think Armenia is, to determine what a president should accept or not? Do you think the Russian president cares for some emotional Armenians, to say to a president of another country, Turkey, I don't want your "gift". Ofcourse not, this is politics, not a childs game. Russia also doesn't give a **** about the stupid treaty, they just want their plans to be fulfilled in Turkey. Hell, America is to "afraid" to recognize the Armenian genocide for decades, whereas the Russian presidents have visited Tsitsernakarbert numerous times. Ofcourse, forget that, you Russophobe.
Haha, your last argument, I mean, how much fantasy does one have? There are more Turks in Europe than Armenians, so? There are 3-4 million Turks in Germany, so? There are more Turks in Turkey and Azerbaijan, who gives a xxxx? You think the j-ews were saying, ah, there is no chance for us to succeed, we are too small in number. OFCOURSE NOT, THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY USED THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO OUTPERFORM the others. I can not believe you just said this. I am proud of the Armenians living in Russia, who, even though their small numbers, outperformed most of the other ethnic groups in terms of number of businessman, professors, artists and politicians. What you said is destructive and basically means you are giving up your hope.
And at last, the Tatars in Russia are not as Turks in Turkey, I know a lot of them and heck, most of them hate Turks. There are Azeris, but what do we care, we beat them in Artsakh too even though they were in larger numbers.
It is amazing how many Armenians are in high-ranking positions in the Russian Federation.
Anyways, your next post will probably be something irrelevant too, not once have you (or gegev) tried to argue with the points I made. You just shout and rant and make comments which are based on lies or generalizations.
We must take full advantage of our situation, not break things down.
Long live the Armenian people, and long live the Armenian-Russian strategic alliance.
))Yes that what you wish to see... and that’s what Ivans want you to think.....
The truth is Russia is no one’s ally ... it is not even ally for Russians....
)))) Russia is an unpredictable Shovenistic empire.. And most of the times the foreign policy depends on quantity of vodka consumed ))))About "infiltrating" and "nfluencing" who holds their hand? But I think russian ( or "new russian" ) armenians are much more busy influecing and infiltrating russian state for their own needs rather than doing any thing usefull for armenia.
Russia protects our borders becaus concideres Armenia as a province of russia (what actualy it is) that gives some advantage to our weak state (governament) but dosent make me happy at all...
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