Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Russia is not stupid. Turkey is one of the biggest NATO allies and has US military base. They may develop economic relations, but when it comes to strategic there's very little room for development as Turkey is already tied down to Western military structures. Plus, Russia will trust Armenia any day over Turkey given our histories. Such meetings don't affect the strong Armenian-Russian relations.

Thats all are guesses...
when Moscow treaty is a fact (the one from 1921 as well as the one from 2011)

[Mos]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Thats all are guesses...
when Moscow treaty is a fact (the one from 1921 as well as the one from 2011)

Unless Turkey quits NATO, kicks the Americans out, joins CSTO, hosts a Russian military base, then it's very safe to assume that nothing will happen between them strategically.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Unless Turkey quits NATO, kicks the Americans out, joins CSTO, hosts a Russian military base, then it's very safe to assume that nothing will happen between them strategically.

Unless Armenia will be able to host a single pipeline useful for Russia, than it´s very safe to asume that nothing will happen between Armenia and Russia strategically.

There is no need for anything to happen between russia and turkey. Everything is allredy happen in 1921 in Moscow and Kars. This meeting was just confirmation of this results. And the "souvenir" GLADLY ACCEPTED by russian president was a symbol of it. There is more trade between turkey and tatarstan (just one of Russian republics) alone than between armenia and russia. There are more turks (tatars) living in russia than Armenians all over the world... Every one forget that russia is hugely turkic-mongolic- muslim country.


you see that you have no clue what russia is...

[Mos]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Unless Armenia will be able to host a single pipeline useful for Russia, than it´s very safe to asume that nothing will happen between Armenia and Russia strategically.

There is no need for anything to happen between russia and turkey. Everything is allredy happen in 1921 in Moscow and Kars. This meeting was just confirmation of this results. And the "souvenir" GLADLY ACCEPTED by russian president was a symbol of it. There is more trade between turkey and tatarstan (just one of Russian republics) alone than between armenia and russia. There are more turks (tatars) living in russia than Armenians all over the world... Every one forget that russia is hugely turkic-mongolic- muslim country.


you see that you have no clue what russia is...

We already have strategic relations with Russia. Our security is guaranteed by them, their military base is in our country, and they protect our borders with Turkey and Iran. They have been the biggest deterrent in not allowing Turkey to just come and invade and annex our lands. This meeting is just symbolic and highlights economic relations between Russia and Turkey. As I said, their strategic leanings are different. When it comes to Armenia, strategically the most logical choice is Russia and historically they have helped us like it or not, why you want to join Turkish NATO?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Welcome back Mukuch... it's too bad the mods keep banning you for your argumentative methods. Don't play into their traps, your contributions are worthy regardless of your personal attacks (which I find humorous )

Turkey should remember Treaty of Sevres rather than treaties of Moscow or Kars

PanARMENIAN.Net - Spokesman for the ruling Republican Party of Armenia (RPA) parliamentary group Eduard Sharmazanov said that the Russian-Turkish rapprochement does not jeopardize Armenia-Russia relations.

“The Armenian-Russian relations are at such a high level that Russia’s ties with other countries cannot jeopardize them,” Sharmazanov told journalists in Yerevan.

He also referred to the 90th anniversary of the Moscow Treaty, which was marked during the Turkish Prime Minister’s recent visit to Moscow. According to Sharmazanov, Turkey should remember the Treaty of Sevres and Armenian-Turkish protocols signed in Zurich rather than the treaties of Moscow and Kars.

Upon arriving in Moscow on March 16, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan presented an original copy of the Treaty of Moscow signed 90-years-ago to the day, to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, along with a commemorative stamp issued in Turkey to mark the 90th anniversary of the illegal treaty.

The anniversary of the invalid treaty, as well as the timing of the Erdogan-Medvedev meeting was the subject of demonstration held at the Russian Embassy in Yerevan. The demonstration was organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Nigol Aghbalian student and youth organization of Armenia to demand invalidation of the Treaty of Moscow.

According to historian Edik Minasyan, the Treaty of Moscow is illegal, as in March 1921 the Kemalist Turkey and Russia were not recognized as subjects of the international law and had no right to decide on destiny of a third state.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/polit...Moscow_or_Kars

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

He is half Armenian, and is very well aware of this (answering questions from Armenian students during lectures at the Diplomatic School of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs). He is a brilliant and smart politician. Perhaps his neighbors mother was also half-Armenian, that I do not know. Very funny joke, indeed.

I heard Abdula Gules mother is Armenian too.. so befor having a Russian president armenian we got a turkish president "half armenian" ... and I think Babajyan sounds much more armenian than Lavrov AND ?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I heard Abdula Gules mother is Armenian too.. so befor having a Russian president armenian we got a turkish president "half armenian" ... and I think Babajyan sounds much more armenian than Lavrov AND ?

I heard Attaturk's adopted daughter was Armenian, so really there are so many "Armenian" power figures yet Armenia is what it is....

[Tigranakert]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

It's largely out of irritation I still continue these worthless discussions and of the extreme inaccuracies people believe in.

I am not worried... it is normal when 2 (historically) strategic allies exchange some souvenirs I would be more worried about fact that there are some people who consider Russia their "big brother and father and mother" and offer to kiss their arss... I think arss kissing is not working....

This just shows your political immaturity, how can I even have a serious discussion if you think Turkey and Russia are historically strategic allies? Stop your lies to prove your "arguments".

You know why Armenia is what it is today, because of Armenians like you. The thing is, I believe you have good intentions for Armenia, and are more "nationalistic" and committed to help your country than average people. The problem lies in the way you do it.

We should take it one step further. You have to understand, this is not kissing their "ass", as you probably do with every other Western country, but playing the game smart. We have to "infiltrate", be organized to influence their politics. What don't you understand of this?

It's a common fact that it's fare more effective to infiltrate whatever political system there is, and try to influence their politics from the within, than to go against them which will achieve nothing. We will lose our lifeline and never, ever will a European or Western country willing to protect our borders with Turkey, nor willing to arm us with billions of dollars of weapons, nor will we have the chance as we do in Russia today to seriously influence the foreign policy of the country. Don't you understand this? It's plain simple.

And yes, Russia wants the best for country, and it is up to us to convince her that Armenia is strategically important for the well being of the Russian Federation. Let's cut the crap, the day we distantiate ourselves from Russia, it's game over. Who will deliver us nuclear fuel? Without them, we have no energy. Who will deliver us weapons? Without them, we have no army. Who will protect us from the Turks? Without them, the world will allow Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia to eliminate us. Who will invest billions of dollars in our economy? They can just say, hey, all those millions of Armenian guest workers, get the xxxx out of our country, and Armenia won't have the billions of dollars of income they have now, from the Russian-Armenian community.

Thats all are guesses...
when Moscow treaty is a fact (the one from 1921 as well as the one from 2011)

That's not a fact. The fact is, that power is everything that counts. A fact is, that Artsakh, not even recognized, is Armenian land, and will remain ours. A fact is, that North-Cyprus is under Turkish control. And a "fact" for us is, that we still have not recognized Eastern-Turkey, in our constitution it is Western-Armenia, but who cares for some papers? It's our might that will determine our future.

Unless Armenia will be able to host a single pipeline useful for Russia, than it�s very safe to asume that nothing will happen between Armenia and Russia strategically.

There is no need for anything to happen between russia and turkey. Everything is allredy happen in 1921 in Moscow and Kars. This meeting was just confirmation of this results. And the "souvenir" GLADLY ACCEPTED by russian president was a symbol of it. There is more trade between turkey and tatarstan (just one of Russian republics) alone than between armenia and russia. There are more turks (tatars) living in russia than Armenians all over the world... Every one forget that russia is hugely turkic-mongolic- muslim country.

you see that you have no clue what russia is...

Even though you do not wish to see it, Russia and Armenia are strategic allies, with or without your stupid "pipeline" argument. Again, don't mix up the Bolsheviks with the Russians. It was not the Russian Federation who signed the document, but the Bolsheviks, whose majority, especially in 1921, were not even ethnic Russians. So stop with your lies.

What the **** do you think Armenia is, to determine what a president should accept or not? Do you think the Russian president cares for some emotional Armenians, to say to a president of another country, Turkey, I don't want your "gift". Ofcourse not, this is politics, not a childs game. Russia also doesn't give a **** about the stupid treaty, they just want their plans to be fulfilled in Turkey. Hell, America is to "afraid" to recognize the Armenian genocide for decades, whereas the Russian presidents have visited Tsitsernakarbert numerous times. Ofcourse, forget that, you Russophobe.

Haha, your last argument, I mean, how much fantasy does one have? There are more Turks in Europe than Armenians, so? There are 3-4 million Turks in Germany, so? There are more Turks in Turkey and Azerbaijan, who gives a xxxx? You think the j-ews were saying, ah, there is no chance for us to succeed, we are too small in number. OFCOURSE NOT, THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY USED THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO OUTPERFORM the others. I can not believe you just said this. I am proud of the Armenians living in Russia, who, even though their small numbers, outperformed most of the other ethnic groups in terms of number of businessman, professors, artists and politicians. What you said is destructive and basically means you are giving up your hope.

And at last, the Tatars in Russia are not as Turks in Turkey, I know a lot of them and heck, most of them hate Turks. There are Azeris, but what do we care, we beat them in Artsakh too even though they were in larger numbers.

It is amazing how many Armenians are in high-ranking positions in the Russian Federation.

Anyways, your next post will probably be something irrelevant too, not once have you (or gegev) tried to argue with the points I made. You just shout and rant and make comments which are based on lies or generalizations.

We must take full advantage of our situation, not break things down.

Long live the Armenian people, and long live the Armenian-Russian strategic alliance.

[Armanen]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Tigranakert, you know too well about the trolls here and how it is best not to get in too deep with them on most (all?) discussions.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Tigranakert, you know too well about the trolls here and how it is best not to get in too deep with them on most (all?) discussions.

Indeed, sometimes I forget. It's not them whom I write for, but mostly for the people who are reading this topic and guests.