Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Depends on what you call love I suppose.

that, a christian should know...

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13&version=NIV

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

How can you love someone you don't trust? If I'm not mistaken you're being a realist, the kind of person who is not stuck in the moment and leaves a little window open for the 'ifs', right?

Depends on what you call love I suppose. It's probably the most overly and misused term next to anti-semitism.

Vaaay Levon, can you give some real-life examples please? Do you know women who cause trouble at the dinner table?

What Levon is referring to is our tribal roots. Tribes didn't segregate men from women as both were considered part of a unit.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

levon and his friends at the dinner table...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXq0Ns69C8s&t=6m20s

(chicken pieces seen in the video are courtesy of KFC)

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Sorry, love and trust don't go hand in hand. Only an idiot trusts out of love. Trust is earned, love is given.

Also, I think you need to look at your life and find the reason why you value being a gentleman so much i.e. why you tie yourself to how women would perceive you: gentleman or not.

How can you love someone you don't trust? If I'm not mistaken you're being a realist, the kind of person who is not stuck in the moment and leaves a little window open for the 'ifs', right?

Perhaps, but this is how it unfolds. Society expected men to be protectors and providers in return for being treated the way you described as "extremism."

Why should they be treated in those particular ways? Aren't there other methods/things we can do?

On the other hand, by painting women as the weaker sex, society exempted them from dangerous occupations, but also expected them to do the tasks you complained about.

'Weaker' in what sense? The dangerous occupations cannot be handled properly by most women not because the society exempted them but due to their special physical, psychological or/and biological structure. On the other hand, there are occupations women can do better than men.

I'll demonstrate with an example. If a woman's husband protects and pampers her because he thinks she is biologically different than he is, can he also expect her to eat dinner in a different room when his friends are visiting, because he feels that because of her biological differences she will cause trouble at the dinner table?

Vaaay Levon, can you give some real-life examples please? Do you know women who cause trouble at the dinner table?

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

you never know one other person.
so the whole idea of earning trust is flawed.
it is somewhat valid in other contexts for different types of relationships (work...)
in the case of marriage, trust is not earned. it is given but then it can be lost.

i am not going to teach you dignity. this should know from your forefathers.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

surely you can give your love to someone you do not trust
but if you love someone truly you should give your trust too.

Nop, one may truly love a fool, but only a fool would trust a fool.
Trust is earned. No matter how truly you love, trust should never be given.

i do not tie myself to other people's perception.
this is my own.
when i say "gentleman" i mean a man with a sense of honor/dignity.

So what do you define as honor/dignity? Surely you don't include anything specific to women in your definition?

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

surely you can give your love to someone you do not trust
but if you love someone truly you should give your trust too.
i do not tie myself to other people's perception.
this is my own.
when i say "gentleman" i mean a man with a sense of honor/dignity.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

what you are essentially saying here is that your friends are not gentlemen and/or you would not trust your wife. but then this betrays weakness/insecurity more than anything else. and lack of love too for love goes hand in hand with trust.

Sorry, love and trust don't go hand in hand. Only an idiot trusts out of love. Trust is earned, love is given.

Also, I think you need to look at your life and find the reason why you value being a gentleman so much i.e. why you tie yourself to how women would perceive you: gentleman or not.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

can he also expect her to eat dinner in a different room when his friends are visiting, because he feels that because of her biological differences she will cause trouble at the dinner table?

what you are essentially saying here is that your friends are not gentlemen and/or you would not trust your wife. but then this betrays weakness/insecurity more than anything else. and lack of love too for love goes hand in hand with trust.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Levon, please comment on this.

What guy hits a girl. Equality at it's best. If she wants to play with the big boys, she shouldn't complain when she gets clobbered.