Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I am not convinced. I feel like here you're doing what you complain about.

Perhaps, but this is how it unfolds. Society expected men to be protectors and providers in return for being treated the way you described as "extremism." On the other hand, by painting women as the weaker sex, society exempted them from dangerous occupations, but also expected them to do the tasks you complained about.
So, men had more "freedoms" at the cost of dying several years earlier (or if they wen to war, much earlier) than women. And women, by giving up some freedoms gained few years of life. => Early death with more responsibilities, or longer life with less freedoms. Of course, these are perceived freedoms. It's much easier to wash someone's feet than say work in a mine. It's also easier to stay home than go to war.

Just pointing out that just because women were expected to do these things, doesn't mean their situation was any worse than their husbands.

Can you please give some examples of these freedoms? Thanks.

I'll demonstrate with an example. If a woman's husband protects and pampers her because he thinks she is biologically different than he is, can he also expect her to eat dinner in a different room when his friends are visiting, because he feels that because of her biological differences she will cause trouble at the dinner table?

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Well, women were never forced to take arms to protect the interests of the wealthy. It's a matter of what's more important, life with less freedoms or death with more responsibilities.

I am not convinced. I feel like here you're doing what you complain about.

Well, if privilege can be awarded due to biological differences, can freedoms be taken way for the same reason?

Can you please give some examples of these freedoms? Thanks.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Yes and no... I think every great man needs to leave behind a legacy, and if there is greatness from within then it would be a shame not to reproduce. Just like how it's a shame that many attractive women can be successful and feel too independent for marriage and children. The world is just going to get ugly.

True. But it doesn't take much for a man to leave a legacy. There are a bunch of hoods with several kids running around. I say become great, then worry about the legacy. It's too easy to accept failures in life and hope one's children will be better. Why not be better yourself. One should at least do the hard work first before he clouds his judgment with children. Men with children will take far fewer risks than those without.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

The point is that those men who want their feet washed by their brides, put such demands thinking women are inferior beings compared to them/men. Second, how many of them may be in real troubling, risky situations to sacrifice their lives? Even if they are, why force women to do such stuff to compensate for that? Aren’t there other methods to show gratitude?

Well, women were never forced to take arms to protect the interests of the wealthy. It's a matter of what's more important, life with less freedoms or death with more responsibilities.

It still works for some sane people. But what would work better now, in your opinion? I would like to know.

I have no idea. Without cultural barriers that shun certain types of behaviors it's hard to make anything work. It certainly takes much more of a conscious effort to do so.

I would Levon!
But on a serious note, don't you think a woman/girl would need more of this 'protection'/'defense' by a man based on her emotional, psychological and even biological structure which is different than that of a man?

Well, if privilege can be awarded due to biological differences, can freedoms be taken way for the same reason?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Sorry. Building a strong family and raising children is something that has been done over and over as long as civilization has existed. No man can reach his full potential if he starts and stops with that.

Yes and no... I think every great man needs to leave behind a legacy, and if there is greatness from within then it would be a shame not to reproduce. Just like how it's a shame that many attractive women can be successful and feel too independent for marriage and children. The world is just going to get ugly.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Only in the movies Women always had fathers and brothers and they were all armed back in the good old days.

the funny thing was that 40 men could conquer a village of 400, Vikings did that more than enough and most people the only real weapons that they had wasn't anything compared to those that dared to attack them.

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Depends on how you look at it. She wash her father-in-laws feet, and when there's trouble, he sacrifices his life for his daughter in law.

The point is that those men who want their feet washed by their brides, put such demands thinking women are inferior beings compared to them/men. Second, how many of them may be in real troubling, risky situations to sacrifice their lives? Even if they are, why force women to do such stuff to compensate for that? Aren’t there other methods to show gratitude?

If a woman couldn't work, or take care of herself, and didn't demand equality, then it would be fine. But when you mix privilege with "pamper" you get hell. That's why what you describe worked in more traditional times, but doesn't anymore.

It still works for some sane people. But what would work better now, in your opinion? I would like to know.

That's right. But I bet men would come to your defense, whereas very few, if any, women will take to men's defense.

I would Levon!
But on a serious note, don't you think a woman/girl would need more of this 'protection'/'defense' by a man based on her emotional, psychological and even biological structure which is different than that of a man?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Yeah the pax-Romana and the high middle ages were were times of civilization collapse? I would say the Victorian era was the real time of collapse.

Well back the it was easier for you regular Joe to get xxxxx, you go with your lord ans pillage some villages and rape some girls while you are there, no it's much more difficult for the regular Joe they have to ask for it

Only in the movies Women always had fathers and brothers and they were all armed back in the good old days.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

what you fail to appreciate is the change in priority. the enslavement to sexual desire characterizes the times of civilization collapse.

Yeah the pax-Romana and the high middle ages were were times of civilization collapse? I would say the Victorian era was the real time of collapse.

It's one thing to chase p@ssy after you have power, it's another when you are still a nobody. In the high day of Greek civilization the temples of Aphrodite were brothels.
In the first case you have power and get p@ssy. In the second case you become a loser.

Well back the it was easier for you regular Joe to get xxxxx, you go with your lord ans pillage some villages and rape some girls while you are there, no it's much more difficult for the regular Joe they have to ask for it

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

i don't exactly think life is candy, if only based on my own experience.
destructive forces you have to counterbalance in your own very little sphere of action by setting positive examples, examples people can draw inspiration from. other than that, there is little you can do to influence others.

Agreed, but turning the other cheek doesn't work when there are forces actively involved in f@cking everything up.

if you succeed in building a strong family and raising children, that will already be a commendable achievement. all the rest is pointless talk. and i think you know that for you do not seem to lack intelligence.

Sorry. Building a strong family and raising children is something that has been done over and over as long as civilization has existed. No man can reach his full potential if he starts and stops with that.