Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I don't think so. It's always been like that, it just that the current political atmosphere has made it more apparent for those who don't want to indulge in ignorance. There is no "other extreme".

There is no other extreme? How so? The women who should have lunch/dinner separately away from men, in a different room, or wash their father-in-law's feet, isn't it extremism?

Women have always been opportunists, they have simply expressed it in different ways. Ever wonder why a traditional man is taught to never hit a girl, protect all women and sacrifice himself in their name? From a logical point of view, it doesn't make sense at all, but mothers have been feeding it to their sons since dawn of civilization. Was family created by man to make sure his children were really his, or was it created by woman so she had better control of the man in his life? Whatever the case, a traditional woman expects her man to work for her and sacrifice his life for her. In essence, she considers him her servant, but at the same time respects him as a husband. It was better when these ideas were buried behind cultural barriers, as the situation was acceptable for both parties. However, feminism has exposed this fact, perhaps on purpose, as the destruction of the traditional family was/is one of the most important goals of feminists.

I believe it should all be about reciprocity, it is a a give and take situation. You as a man open door for your wife/gf/partner, buy her gifts, 'pamper' her (not in a negative sense) every once in a while, listen to her or make sacrifices only and only out of love. Then in return, she will/should compensate for that by her nice gestures, attitudes, understanding and sacrifices in her own womanly way (which are naturally different from men's)... or vice-versa. All this should be mutual.

Narcissism on part of women, and idiocy on part of men is what happened. Girls are raised to believe they are deserving, privileged princesses and men, still stuck in old-school courting practices spare no expense at further spoiling them.

Absolutely. I am so happy to see a man who has been able to decipher so well/clearly these personality layers of both men and women. It has been a long time I have realized it...

If a girl is raised with traditional standards, she would never accept courting from a man she had no interest in, but by accepting gifts and favors, she unknowingly gives a nod of acceptance to the man, who continues the behavior with no success.

Then something must be wrong with those standards or the person herself. A girl raised with 'traditional standards' who doesn't accept the courting, would not accept the gifts either...

Generalizations make it easier to provide conclusions. It wouldn't make much sense to always include the exceptions. These are implied as no generalization is perfect. And just because many women fit into these generalizations, doesn't mean they should apply to you, so I don't see why you'd get offended.

Nah, I did not get offended since I don't find myself in the categories you describe. I was kidding and hinting to your rather gross generalisations.

I'm sure you've also noticed that I generalize most men as being idiots when it comes to women. Why don't you "don't like that"?

You are right. But since I belong to the opposite gender, I naturally took our 'defense'.

You're right. I think woman's innate narcissism has been manipulated to keep men occupied. In past centuries man was occupied with having as many children as possible and being a provider. Now, he is occupied with chasing as much p@ssy as he can.

Stupid men!

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

levon, the level of misoginy you display in your rants is appalling.
what you're doing here is just venting your own frustration it appears.
please do not generalize based on your own experiences / your experiences of watching TV somewhere in kentucky.
such talk only serves to antagonize the opposite gender.
this is plain anti-national behaviour if you ask me.
in the similar threads section, i find it interesting that the first one to come up is one that mentions extinction.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I have a theory why nice guys or intelligent guys don't get the girl. Women have for centuries been used to convert men (in modern days, you'd call it taming the wild guy) but in the past it's been cultural and religious conversions. As the world would be chaos without order, the modern woman is used to put the "wild" man in order (or at least keep him occupied). Nice guys and intelligent guys are already orderly, since they obey the rules of law. This has also been fed to women through TV (the tool used to influence the thought process and program the weak minded... which by no means is directed at women only). The most common man you'll see depicted in TV and Movies is the typical "jerk" or the man portraying "risky behaviour" that women fall for as those are the types most likely to threaten government and attempt to overthrow the elite.

I like your theory. So is it then nature that forces woman to chase the jerk, or nurture? And many women play around with jerks in their 20s then when baby-rabies kicks in, they go for the nice orderly guy, who is much more likely to take care of them and any "bastard" kids they might have.
Then there are women who get a guy early on, do everything possible to make him less attractive than before so they can be sure to keep him for good.

A lot of social values seem bent on keeping average people occupied with nonsense. If every traditional man is expected to have children, he will never find time to do great things. And his family can be used as "hostage" to force him to go to war and die for the elite.

You're right. I think woman's innate narcissism has been manipulated to keep men occupied. In past centuries man was occupied with having as many children as possible and being a provider. Now, he is occupied with chasing as much p@ssy as he can. Woman is the ultimate distraction for man. Within her grasp, he will likely never reach his potential.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Notice how the girl in the above video is indeed going after the "gangsta" type.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

the immigrant girl is more likely to watch TV than the native Western girl since most Eastern cultures shelter their daughters to protect them.

or spend time on facebook-macebook / myspace-piespace...
a good thing some parents still know how to rein in their offsprings.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

If a woman believes she deserves attention, she accepts it from a man she has no intention of dating. In fact, many women often times believe that they are doing the man a favor by letting him serve her. After all, in her mind she is a princess and letting him serve her makes him happy. The man, unaware of all this, keeps doing more and more for the woman, thinking she's just playing hard to get, when in reality, she's feels he is somehow below him, as she is a princess and he is a servant. She will most likely never take an interest in him, as women usually don't like to go for someone they perceive as lower than themselves.
This is why nice guys never get the girl.

I have a theory why nice guys or intelligent guys don't get the girl. Women have for centuries been used to convert men (in modern days, you'd call it taming the wild guy) but in the past it's been cultural and religious conversions. As the world would be chaos without order, the modern woman is used to put the "wild" man in order (or at least keep him occupied). Nice guys and intelligent guys are already orderly, since they obey the rules of law. This has also been fed to women through TV (the tool used to influence the thought process and program the weak minded... which by no means is directed at women only). The most common man you'll see depicted in TV and Movies is the typical "jerk" or the man portraying "risky behaviour" that women fall for as those are the types most likely to threaten government and attempt to overthrow the elite.

You'll hear (and see) how Persian women in the west will reject other Persian men even though the men are educated and successful. The same goes with every ethnic community in the west because there is nothing to change or tame in the man from her own culture so the woman doesn't see interest in him.

Ever notice that most married men in the West aren't really attractive and are the barbaric types that peaked in high school? This is Western culture at work... it's how they've controlled the population for ages. However, in order to change the mentality of other cultures, it's done through TV and the immigrant girl is more likely to watch TV than the native Western girl since most Eastern cultures shelter their daughters to protect them.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

first of all princesses are to be found in greater numbers in some cultures (armenian, chinese...) but distinctions have to be made. even among the subgroups. a tehran-based armenian princess will not exhibit the same behaviour as a glendale-based one, far from it.

it must be said that the range of idiots is quite wide as well. they are quality idiots, "AOC" idiots ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appella...%C3%B4l%C3%A9e ) and cheap idiots, both interesting and uninteresting ones.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Levon, please comment on this.

[levon]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

With Levon's definition of women, I feel so evil now it's like I owe you guys a big big apology.. khghji khayt unem hima.

I don't see why you feel evil. You don't represent the female gender, and you haven't had an influence on how women act.

But it hasn't been always like that. It's just that in the current political/social atmosphere, everything has swung to the other 'extreme'... it is somehow true.

I don't think so. It's always been like that, it just that the current political atmosphere has made it more apparent for those who don't want to indulge in ignorance. There is no "other extreme". Don't forget, those who benefited most (if not entirely) from the feminist movement were middle-class women, who were already much more privileged than lower class men and women. Studies show that the gap between lower-class and middle-class women as increased with the progression of feminism.

Women have always been opportunists, they have simply expressed it in different ways. Ever wonder why a traditional man is taught to never hit a girl, protect all women and sacrifice himself in their name? From a logical point of view, it doesn't make sense at all, but mothers have been feeding it to their sons since dawn of civilization. Was family created by man to make sure his children were really his, or was it created by woman so she had better control of the man in his life? Whatever the case, a traditional woman expects her man to work for her and sacrifice his life for her. In essence, she considers him her servant, but at the same time respects him as a husband. It was better when these ideas were buried behind cultural barriers, as the situation was acceptable for both parties. However, feminism has exposed this fact, perhaps on purpose, as the destruction of the traditional family was/is one of the most important goals of feminists.

All these behavioural anomalies may be explained by one word: narcissism. With 'some' of your posts here, I must admit you have been deconstructing beautifully the hard-core feminist ideology.

Narcissism on part of women, and idiocy on part of men is what happened. Girls are raised to believe they are deserving, privileged princesses and men, still stuck in old-school courting practices spare no expense at further spoiling them.

If a woman believes she deserves attention, she accepts it from a man she has no intention of dating. In fact, many women often times believe that they are doing the man a favor by letting him serve her. After all, in her mind she is a princess and letting him serve her makes him happy. The man, unaware of all this, keeps doing more and more for the woman, thinking she's just playing hard to get, when in reality, she's feels he is somehow below him, as she is a princess and he is a servant. She will most likely never take an interest in him, as women usually don't like to go for someone they perceive as lower than themselves.
This is why nice guys never get the girl.

If a girl is raised with traditional standards, she would never accept courting from a man she had no interest in, but by accepting gifts and favors, she unknowingly gives a nod of acceptance to the man, who continues the behavior with no success.

Many times, this happens as a matter of fact, with no ill-intent on part of the woman. She is an opportunist, and he is ignorant. Mixed together, you get a princess and servant.

But again you constantly generalize so much and put all women in the one 'popular' basket... I don't like that.

Generalizations make it easier to provide conclusions. It wouldn't make much sense to always include the exceptions. These are implied as no generalization is perfect. And just because many women fit into these generalizations, doesn't mean they should apply to you, so I don't see why you'd get offended.

I'm sure you've also noticed that I generalize most men as being idiots when it comes to women. Why don't you "don't like that"?

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I define insightful as being off-topic.
This discussion (which i myself initiated) strikes me as being insightful.