Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

sorry for the labels. i mean a blend of positivism, philosophical materialism... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism ) which is very prevalent nowadays, a blend upon which modern sociology is based. the ideas cooked up around that time have made their way through education/popular culture... and altered people's worldviews in a profound manner. so you find people critical of superfical aspects of "western" society that are "westernized" on a different/deeper level (without them being conscious of that fact of course)
(this is just meant as an observation, nothing mean!)

I define materialism as putting inanimate objects before human life (like how most people spend more on their car than a proper education for their children). Thinking of the world in terms of substance (something that you can explore with all of your senses) doesn't strike me as being materialistic.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

sorry for the labels. i mean a blend of positivism, philosophical materialism... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism ) which is very prevalent nowadays, a blend upon which modern sociology is based. the ideas cooked up around that time have made their way through education/popular culture... and altered people's worldviews in a profound manner. so you find people critical of superfical aspects of "western" society that are "westernized" on a different/deeper level (without them being conscious of that fact of course)
(this is just meant as an observation, nothing mean!)

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

i guess you do not realize how much your way of thinking as evidenced by the above sentence is shaped by materialistic thought (which can be traced back to the likes of marx, durkheim...). and this is true of a number of people here.

Do tell... What exactly do you define as "materialistic thought". I'm intrigued by your labels.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Male and Female are biological terms based on gender while Man and Woman and their respective gender roles are created by society, thus the title of this thread.

i guess you do not realize how much your way of thinking as evidenced by the above sentence is shaped by materialistic thought (which can be traced back to the likes of marx, durkheim...). and this is true of a number of people here.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

substance in this case does not necessarily refer to biological matter. A and B are not biological categories. his argument almost reduces to a tautology.
but let's drop this. my main intent in quoting him was sort of humorous.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

I am not here to promote his views but Weininger defines what the male substance is and what the female substance is in an abstract manner. It is mere terminology. He could have said Y and X in place of male and female or A and B. It would have made little difference in his argument for his actual statement is that every person is composed of a mixture of the A and the B substance (which is sort of hard to refute)

Yes, every person is composed of biological matter. However, that doesn't give them what is generally known as characteristics of an individual's personality, work ethic or thought process. Male and Female are biological terms based on gender while Man and Woman and their respective gender roles are created by society, thus the title of this thread.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Make sure to mention that I thought that Weininger was an utterly confused and demented individual.

"Weininger argues that all people are composed of a mixture of the male and the female substance, and attempts to support his view scientifically. The male aspect is active, productive, conscious and moral/logical, while the female aspect is passive, unproductive, unconscious and amoral/alogical."

That's about as contradicting as a statement can get. Passiveness, laziness, uselessness, unconsciousness and amoral/illogical attributes were not given to either man or woman but is rather due to culture and upbringing which in most cultures are found as repulsive characteristics.

I am not here to promote his views but Weininger defines what the male substance is and what the female substance is in an abstract manner. It is mere terminology. He could have said Y and X in place of male and female or A and B. It would have made little difference in his argument for his actual statement is that every person is composed of a mixture of the A and the B substance (which is sort of hard to refute)

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

looks like the above link brought the site down... (i'll have to remove it as a result)

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

Make sure to mention that I thought that Weininger was an utterly confused and demented individual.

"Weininger argues that all people are composed of a mixture of the male and the female substance, and attempts to support his view scientifically. The male aspect is active, productive, conscious and moral/logical, while the female aspect is passive, unproductive, unconscious and amoral/alogical."

That's about as contradicting as a statement can get. Passiveness, laziness, uselessness, unconsciousness and amoral/illogical attributes were not given to either man or woman but is rather due to culture and upbringing which in most cultures are found as repulsive characteristics.

[gkv]

Re: Armenian women: should play a bigger role in our economy, politics and military.

If people are really this interested in my life after I pass, they really need to get a life of their own and stop concerning themselves with everyone else.

this mention shall be inserted in KanadaHye's posthumous page.