Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mukuch]

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didn't you get the memo? "Palestinians" are the sweet angels. Israel is the big bad boy.

No Arakeretzig, this is all not that simple.... the history of anti-Semitism in our extreme-nationalist movement comes from 70s when our guys had to ally with some airab extremist movements in Lebanon and Syria. But there is no such need right now, so being anti-Semitic right now is just stupid.

P.S. Siggie, If you want you can move this posts to the proper thread. (Why some armenians are anti-semitic)

[KanadaHye]

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No Arakeretzig, this is all not that simple.... the history of anti-Semitism in our extreme-nationalist movement comes from 70s when our guys had to ally with some airab extremist movements in Lebanon and Syria. But there is no such need right now, so being anti-Semitic right now is just stupid.

P.S. Siggie, If you want you can move this posts to the proper thread. (Why some armenians are anti-semitic)

Perhaps you should move it to why some Armenians are anti-Aryan.

[Mukuch]

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Perhaps you should move it to why some Armenians are anti-Aryan.

could u indicat please who are exactly? I didnt expect that one from you, Kanada. Why do you think that if some one is not anti-semite than he must be anti-Aryan? Wher is the logic?

[KanadaHye]

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could u indicat please who are exactly? I didnt expect that one from you, Kanada. Why do you think that if some one is not anti-semite than he must be anti-Aryan? Wher is the logic?

I like to shake things up once in a while

[KanadaHye]

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LOL guys... I am under impression I am on airab forum )))

So would you deny that Palestinian terrorists regulary kill civilian Israelis (mostly kids) becaus they are the only target they can reach? What Israel suposed to do? Wait until they kill each and every Israeli?

Ofcours sometimes the Israeli reaction is not adequate.... but it is understandable: we hate when our soldiers die on azeri frontline in Karabakh killed by snipers, how you would feel if it would be your (our) kids blown in the school buses or in a cafe?

When a desperate Palestinian sees no future for him/herself and decides to blow him/herself up inside Israeli borders, why isn't that considered homegrown terrorism? And why should Palestinians outside of Israel be punished for it? It's along the same logic as America attacking Afghanistan and Iraq because the so called terrorists involved in 9-11 were Muslims from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. One has no correlation with the other. Israel is a military force while Palestinians are civilians with some homegrown and sporadically imported weapons living inside the Gaza death camp.

Also, why is Iran (who's population isn't Arab) supporting the Arab Palestinians? When did Iran and Israel become enemies? (The Islamic revolution wasn't an anti-Semitic movement, it was a way to weed out people who were anti-Iranian)

[Mos]

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I got to take the middle ground here. Israel has shown over the top force in their response to Palestinians, sometimes being careless over civilian causalities and so on. However, Palestinians haven't been angels either. What do they expect when one of their own, in the name of Palestine, goes and blows up a bus filled with innocent Israeli civilians? Obviously, Israel will respond and they won't take it lightly. So I condemn the Palestinians in resorting to terrorism targeted at civilians, and I condemn Israel for being overly harsh with their military endeavours in the area, and causing the deaths of many civilians and making life hell for others. This is a see-saw conflict to me, no side is really innocent, and both are out for their self interests. People sometimes complain at nausea of the unfairness that Israel exists and so on, well life is not fair, so many things in history have been unfair, Israel is not an exception, and sometimes we're just going to have to deal with it. Rather than complain about its existence, people should look to creating more dialogue between both sides and some day ensuring both states can live side by side in relative peace.

[arakeretzig]

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When a desperate Palestinian sees no future for him/herself and decides to blow him/herself up inside Israeli borders, why isn't that considered homegrown terrorism? And why should Palestinians outside of Israel be punished for it? It's along the same logic as America attacking Afghanistan and Iraq because the so called terrorists involved in 9-11 were Muslims from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. One has no correlation with the other. Israel is a military force while Palestinians are civilians with some homegrown and sporadically imported weapons living inside the Gaza death camp.

Also, why is Iran (who's population isn't Arab) supporting the Arab Palestinians? When did Iran and Israel become enemies? (The Islamic revolution wasn't an anti-Semitic movement, it was a way to weed out people who were anti-Iranian)

Gazans have elected hamas. An organisation officially declared by most civilized nations as a terrorist organisation. What does this mean? It means they've chosen an entity which represents them politically, an entity which sees no fault in killing indiscrimnately israeli civilians.
They reap what they sow.

[KanadaHye]

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I got to take the middle ground here. Israel has shown over the top force in their response to Palestinians, sometimes being careless over civilian causalities and so on. However, Palestinians haven't been angels either. What do they expect when one of their own, in the name of Palestine, goes and blows up a bus filled with innocent Israeli civilians? Obviously, Israel will respond and they won't take it lightly. So I condemn the Palestinians in resorting to terrorism targeted at civilians, and I condemn Israel for being overly harsh with their military endeavours in the area, and causing the deaths of many civilians and making life hell for others. This is a see-saw conflict to me, no side is really innocent, and both are out for their self interests. People sometimes complain at nausea of the unfairness that Israel exists and so on, well life is not fair, so many things in history have been unfair, Israel is not an exception, and sometimes we're just going to have to deal with it. Rather than complain about its existence, people should look to creating more dialogue between both sides and some day ensuring both states can live side by side in relative peace.

Like I stated, any Palestinians on suicide missions should be considered homegrown terrorists (unhappy Palestinians living inside Israel). If African Americans began terrorism against Americans, should America attack Africa?

[KanadaHye]

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Gazans have elected hamas. An organisation officially declared by most civilized nations as a terrorist organisation. What does this mean? It means they've chosen an entity which represents them politically, an entity which sees no fault in killing indiscrimnately israeli civilians.
They reap what they sow.

They elected Hamas because Hamas actually provides services to the average Palestinian. It also wouldn't matter who the Palestinians elect, Israel's goal is to have unobstructed access to the sea off the shores of Gaza.

[Mukuch]

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When a desperate Palestinian sees no future for him/herself and decides to blow him/herself up inside Israeli borders, why isn't that considered homegrown terrorism? And why should Palestinians outside of Israel be punished for it? It's along the same logic as America attacking Afghanistan and Iraq because the so called terrorists involved in 9-11 were Muslims from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. One has no correlation with the other. Israel is a military force while Palestinians are civilians with some homegrown and sporadically imported weapons living inside the Gaza death camp.

OK Kanada, you did it, you provoked me to a serious conversation. I know you are exeption among this moron anti-Semites, you are still an anti-Semite, but not a moron

Before suicide bombings come in fashion there were thousands of trivial terrorist acts performed by airabs in Israel and the targets were all the same- civilians (mostly kids). Actually airab terrorism was invented by Palestinians. (doesn�t mean there was no xxx terrorism before). In end of the day someone must be responsible for this terrorist acts, as it is popular movement in Palestine the one responsible is the general Palestinian population (doesn�t mean that Israelis do not try to target first of all terrorist leaders). And most of the terrorists come from Gaza strip and West Bank, Palestinians inside Israel live much better than the ones in West Bank or Gaza.
And please do not equal Islamic terrorism with Palestinian one (that is what Israelis trying to do). And the actions in Afghanistan or Iraq have nothing to do with Palestine.
And last: Didn�t know that in "death camps" there were elected leaders, government, own Scholes, hospitals, howsing (some of them financed by the same Israel).In that sense it reminds me much more a Ghetto, bur even as a Ghetto it doesn’t holds any critics

Also, why is Iran (who's population isn't Arab) supporting the Arab Palestinians? When did Iran and Israel become enemies? (The Islamic revolution wasn't an anti-Semitic movement, it was a way to weed out people who were anti-Iranian)

The Iranian revolution was a CIA operation which got out of control (pretty much like most of them). The Iranian anti-Semitism has pure geo-political roots; no historical or cultural reasons what so ever.