Iranian-Armenian relations

[Armanen]

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Israel only attacks in retaliation and self-defense to provocations. The so called "palestinian" freedom fighers use civilians as shield. what else you want Israel to do? take it like sitting ducks and not protect their citizens? Your hypocrisy is showing.

If "palestinians" want peace, they can have it tomorrow. But they don't want peace with Israel, they want peace without israel. That's why there will never be peace.

Are you a 'Christian zionist'?

[arakeretzig]

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Are you a 'Christian zionist'?

Nice try.

Armenian nation is being reborn, just like j3wish nation. These are historical times, people. Sad you can't understand that.

[gkv]

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I think he has considered a French pronunciation.

j'ai pas l'impression. d'ailleurs en français aussi, on utilise gh/kh/r pour distinguer les sonorités.

honestly it is not worth wasting too much time with flip/flop individuals of this kind.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/18567-Genocide-of-the-Serbs?p=298718&viewfull=1#post298718

[Armanen]

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Nice try.

Armenian nation is being reborn, just like j3wish nation. These are historical times, people. Sad you can't understand that.

It is safe to assume you indeed are a zionist. Perhaps you should change the flag of Armenia for your real motherland.

[Armanen]

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Iranian Armenians, the Weight of a Minority Among a Nation

by Sirus Ali Nejad, BBC Persian

Living four hundred years in Iran, that gave the Armenians their Iranian identity, and since accepting all that is good is in their nature, they took in as much as they could from Iranian culture and they influenced the Iranian culture many times more than they had taken from it. The Iranian influence on Armenians is something the Armenians themselves can talk about, the purpose of this report is to show the influence of the Armenians on Iranian culture.

In “Symphony of the Dead”, a novel by Abbas Maaroufi, set in the twenties (solar Hijri calendar H.), that deals with a feud, everybody has a role in ruining the life of the main character Aidin, except an Armenian family the Mirzaians, who own a timber cutting factory, who don’t spare an effort in saving the Muslim protagonist of the novel.

This is not a random or artificial image of the Armenians of Iran, it’s an image that the majority of Iranians have from their compatriots for four hundred years. Anyone among us who has known Armenians in their city or town, has an image of camaraderie and agreement of thoughts in their mind. “Symphony of the Dead” doesn’t just point to the virtuous nature of this minority but to their industriousness as well.

The image of Armenians in the minds of Iranians is one of skillful craftsmen who free from any deceit and full of trustworthiness engage in various technical professions. Until the Islamic Revolution, that is, in the period they were present much more extensively in Iran, usually the best carpenters, the furniture makers with the greatest taste, the cleanest producers of foodstuff, the most trustworthy mechanics, tailors, shoe makers, confectioners would be found among them, of course, the sales of drinks was also their domain.

Reviewing the names of pioneers in various branches of art, industry and commerce of our time will reveal how much this minority has influenced the Iranian culture. In the advancement of contemporary Iran there isn’t a single field where one doesn’t come across their names, everywhere they are either the most prominent or the founders.

After the tragic forced migration by Shah Abbas and after their settlement in Julfa, Isfahan and the healing process with the contribution of the Shah, they became Iranians and they worked passionately for the improvement of Iran, and since they were a cultured people they became the pioneers in progress and novelties in all fields: in politics, in arts, in science and technology, in music, in cinema, in painting, in theater, in photography, in turning to civilization, in printing and publishing, in industry and architecture and in any field imaginable the names of the Armenians are to be found in the ranks of the leaders.Possibly no other minority anywhere in the world can be found who has served so much a country that logically should have been considered their second home but became their first.

Because of their engagement in trade, even from the time of Shah Abbas, they have been responsible for establishing relations between Iran and the West. On one hand, the fact that the Armenians were dispersed all over the world, facilitated their movement to different corners of the globe, on the other hand, the relations between them and the Christians of Europe, resulted in their acquaintance with Western new ideas and civilization earlier than other Iranians.

Because of this, they became the forerunners in the learning of sciences and technical skills, and this in turn resulted that in later periods, especially in the last hundred and fifty years, when Iran had become aware of the importance of the progress in the West, they functioned as an open window towards the European civilization.

We Iranians owe the presence of the Armenians to Shah Abbas. Our debt to Armenians themselves is incalculable. A people that lived for four hundred years among Iranians, learned to speak Persian and created works in Persian (Mirza Melkom Khan being the most prominent), but preserved their language. I cannot think of another ethnicity or nation that has the same weight as this people… having lived for several centuries among strangers, having become locals, having created this amount of wonders, having become landlords of their houses, at the same time not having lost their independence, is an art that not many nations master.

Translated in 2007

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/story/2005/04/050406_l-cy-armenians.shtml

[Persopolis]

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Chronology = First Reported as True; Then Belatedly Doubted the Report; & 5-6 Years Later When Memories of the Original Story Have Lapsed, We know it To Be a Lie. (One of the purposes was to cause panic and depopulate Iran of Iranian-Armenians.) The author, a Canadian journalist with military ties, is also on the payroll of Zionist organizations in Canada.

The Original Story:


By Chris Wattie
Republished from the National Post (Canada)
Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's xxxs and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's xxxs and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."
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* xxxs were to wear yellow cloth strips, called zonnar (?), while Christians were to wear red and Zoroastrians blue.

* The Simon Wiesenthal Centre confirmed that the order had been passed, although it still had to be approved by Iran’s “Supreme Guide” Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect.

* “Unfortunately we’ve seen enough already from the Iranian regime to suggest that it is very capable of this kind of action,” Mr. Harper said. “It boggles the mind that any regime on the face of the earth would want to do anything that would remind people of Nazi Germany.”

* Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian xxxish Congress, said he was “stunned” by the measure. “We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again,” he said. “It’s state-sponsored religious discrimination.”

* Subsequent to the original report, they tried to blame the report on an Iranian nobody was familiar with and who denied making it.

* A food-preparer law was also previously spun in this manner (Iran has religious minorities, e.g. J*ws, who want to know, for example, whether Armenian sausages are prepared at certain shops (the usual sorts of religious dietary laws that accompany various religious factions) - However, this was also previously spun as a Nazi law, etc.

* They've hidden the original series of stories (one of which is above), but here's the follow-up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2294315

Real Armenians - Pay Close Attention; You are fodder for the insane games of ill-intentioned people.

[Lucin]

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Israel only attacks in retaliation and self-defense to provocations. The so called "palestinian" freedom fighers use civilians as shield. what else you want Israel to do? take it like sitting ducks and not protect their citizens? Your hypocrisy is showing.

It's actually good for me to be a hypocrite in your view. Armanen thinks you are a Zionist, if I may correct, I'd say you are a Zionist lackey, a cheap cheer leader at that.

j'ai pas l'impression. d'ailleurs en français aussi, on utilise gh/kh/r pour distinguer les sonorités.

honestly it is not worth wasting too much time with flip/flop individuals of this kind.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....l=1#post298718

Oui mais il voulait 'franciser' en quelque sorte la prononciation même (comme l'ont fait d'ailleurs nombre d'arméniens en France), pour que ça sonne comme /r/ en français.

[ArmSurvival]

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Israel only attacks in retaliation and self-defense to provocations. The so called "palestinian" freedom fighers use civilians as shield.

So is this something you witnessed, or something you read in a real military analysis, or something you were told by a random "middle eastern expert" who was most probably a European Hrya?

what else you want Israel to do? take it like sitting ducks and not protect their citizens? Your hypocrisy is showing.

Nobody is saying that. Obviously Israel is going to respond to attacks, its human nature. Your mistake is assuming Israel has the moral high ground while Palestinians are to blame for the violence on both sides. If you look at the ratio of civilians killed on both sides, at least 30 times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis. This is despite Israel having state of the art rocket technology which is guided by satellites and lasers and are extremely accurate. They know exactly where they are aiming.

The truth is, the entire Zionist plot from the very beginning was to remove Palestinians from Palestine. Go read the literature of the leading Zionist thinkers, and you will see them clearly making these claims. Until you do that, don't have such strong convictions about the subject.

If "palestinians" want peace, they can have it tomorrow. But they don't want peace with Israel, they want peace without israel. That's why there will never be peace.

Logic says that peace rests with the side who is 100X stronger militarily, which would be Israel. Israel is building illegal settlements in the West Bank as we speak. They have over 500,000 settlers who kicked Palestinian farmers off their land. At this rate in a few decades there will be no more Palestinians in Palestine. You have such strong convictions but you are ignorant of what is actually happening. Like I said, if you're too lazy to do research just talk to Armenians from Jerusalem.

[Mukuch]

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LOL guys... I am under impression I am on airab forum )))

So would you deny that Palestinian terrorists regulary kill civilian Israelis (mostly kids) becaus they are the only target they can reach? What Israel suposed to do? Wait until they kill each and every Israeli?

Ofcours sometimes the Israeli reaction is not adequate.... but it is understandable: we hate when our soldiers die on azeri frontline in Karabakh killed by snipers, how you would feel if it would be your (our) kids blown in the school buses or in a cafe?

[arakeretzig]

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didn't you get the memo? "Palestinians" are the sweet angels. Israel is the big bad boy.