Iranian-Armenian relations

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

He is a Hero.....he stopped the Sassanian Overlords and forcing off Persian religion while restoring Armenian autonomy which was signed later as a treaty. Armenians were always aware of the Roman, Persian, and Byzantum's mutual plans which might fall against the Armenia's nation.

Vartan was quick on the draw......he was also killed in a battle that he knew he wouldn't survive it.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).

Sorry, Eddo-jan, that's not what I saw growing up in Iran. (Did you see the earlier posts where I linked to Iranian-Armenian photos describing their family tree, cousins, etc. ?)

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

He is a Hero.....he stopped the Sassanian Overlords and forcing of Persian religion while restoring Armenian autonomy which was signed later as a treaty. Armenians were always aware of the Roman, Persian, and Byzantum's mutual plans which might fall against the Armenia's nation.

Vartan was quick on the draw......he also killed in a battle that he knew he wouldn't survive it.

The fact that Christianity is permitted in Iran has 0% to do with Vartan Mamikonian (past or present)

* Starting in the 6th Century B.C. a loose confederation of tribes merged with the Medians and Persians and the first government of Armenia was founded. Tigranes the First, progeny of Cyrus the Great of Persia, assumed governorship of Armenia under the Persian-Achaemenid dynasty.

* Fast Forward After Many Centuries of Intermarriage.

* In 301 A.D. Armenians converted to Christianity.

* The Mamikonian clan was a loyal part of Persia.

* Then in approximately 330 B.C. A feudal lord named Vassak Mamikonian was put in charge of the governorship of Western Armenia (now in Turkey, near Van). Vassak Mamikonian was defeated by Persia, and many Armenians loyal to Persia, after he attempted to rebel to set up his own feudal territory.

* Vassak's brother, Vahan Mamikonian and other feudal lords stayed loyal to Persia - Vahan fought against his brother. Vahan governed Perso-Armenia (the only Armenia that exists today). Vahan Mamikonian by staying loyal to Persia saved Armenia from invading armies.

* In 450 A.D., Vartan Mamikonian, like Vassak, instituted an Armenian rebellion near Van (in Modern Day Turkey) where he led 70,000 Armenians to death against Persia in attempting to set up his own feudal estate. Vartan Mamikonian was killed in battle.

* Following the defeat of Vartan, members of the Mamikonian clan later sided with the Roman Empire and Byzantine government - where they convinced Armenians to move to what is now modern-day Turkey where many later became citizens of the Ottoman state.

* Note: In 1828, using "Saint Vartan Mamikonian" as a rallying slogan, Armenian politicians convinced Armenia to join Russia, and lost Persian protection. After Armenia joined Russia, Armenian politicians and Russia forfeited all of Western Armenia to the Ottomans and the Russians failed to protect Armenians from the Armenian Genocide in 1915.

* In Armenian-SSR it became popular to say that Vartan Mamikonian was the person that secured the right of Christianity to be practiced in the Persian empire. But as has been pointed out, Vartan Mamikonian's rebellion was in 450 A.D., and according to Acts 2:9 in the Acts of the Apostles there were Persians, Parthians and Medes among the very first new Christian converts at Pentecost (but no "Armenians"). This was 350 years before Vartan Mamikonian led his rebellion to permit Christianity in Persia. (In the book of 'Acts of Apostles' (chapter II, V.9) first century A.D., it is mentioned that on "the Day of Pentecost" (part of harvest festival observed by early Christians) there were at Jerusalem "Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and inhabitants of Mesopotamia.") Early Christian records also mention that Peter and Thomas preached the Gospel to the Parthians and men such as Thaddaeus, Bartholomew, and Addeus evangelized the races of Mesopotamia and Persia, and that Mari, a noble Persian convert, succeeded Addeus in the government of the Persian Christian communities. The bishops, Abrjs, Abraham, Jacob, Ahadabuhi, Tomarsa, Shahlufa, and finally bishop Papa succeeded him (end of the third century). Syriac documents also indicate that towards the beginning of the third century the Christians in the Persian territories had some three hundred and sixty churches. Again, this is at least 100 years before Vartan Mamikonian's rebellion to 'allow Christianity in Persia.'

* Today Armenia is 1/3 of the size it was under the Persian Empire, and the fact that Christianity is permitted in Iran has 0% to do with Vartan Mamikonian.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Persopolis most of your Information above is incorrect with anti-Armenian propaganda and falsifications of history.

Today Armenia is 1/3 of the size it was under the Persian Empire, and the fact that Christianity is permitted in Iran has 0% to do with Vartan Mamikonian

If the mighty Persians couldn't stop the Turks then what do you expect from a weakened civilizations that has fought too many ancient battles but still remained, up until then....and now

As kodoom mahaleyeh Tehrani?

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Oon ke masooliat-e Russ-a bood.

Shemroon (Nazdeek-e Vezarat-e Ettela'at ) Be Mos nagoo ... jeesh mikoneh.

Shoma?

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Abassabad.....shoma as koja didin ke ma ba Irania chap o rast ezdevage koonim? shayed yeki ya dota, vali axaran inchiza nemisheh too ma. Dalil nashod ke kareh badieh
vali mamoolan nemisheh as har dow taraf, ham irania va ham armania.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Abassabad.....shoma as koja didin ke ma ba Irania chap o rast ezdevage koonim? shayed yeki ya dota, vali axaran inchiza nemisheh too ma. Dalil nashod ke kareh badieh
vali mamoolan nemisheh as har dow taraf, ham irania va ham armania.

I grew up seeing it. (Ghablaz deen-e masi-ee, hamihseh injoori bood - Ta 20 saal-e pish kheili etefaagh mishode. Baba, chap o rast nabood ... bala o paeen bood ... Hala, ma tork shodim? )

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I grew up seeing it. (Ghablaz deen-e masi-ee, hamihseh injoori bood - Ta 20 saal-e pish kheili etefaagh mishode. Baba, chap o rast nabood ... bala o paeen bood )

Shemroon hamisheh jayeh bahali boodeh.....polica ham ziad kari ba adama nadaran in rooza. yadey Shemroon beh rayre.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Persopolis most of your Information above is incorrect with anti-Armenian propaganda and falsifications of history.

It's not anti-Armenian by intent. It is just the modern Iranian idea of "history writing" - more propaganda and easy lies than real, difficult, truthful, and sometimes inconvenient history.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I suspicious of Persepolis's intentions. His talks about "greater iran" and always trying to fit Armenia into Iran's sphere is just blatantly inaccurate and not correct. We have had good historic relations with Iranians, but we are strictly separate, our culture, people, religion, and of course homeland. You can make a case for Tajiks but not Armenians. And the existence of Iranian Armenians doesn't prove anything - would a large Armenian diaspora in Iceland, prove anything? We don't want to be part of any other country or people, we want to be separate and independent. The right minded Iranian Armenians, will have respect to Iran, but their main allegiance will lye to the Armenian people and nation, like all diasporan Armenians should have.