Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mukuch]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Iran

The Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament lol.

Yes Fed, Torah is the fierst book of the books, but not for a christian I didnt mean timeline but the importants for us.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Sorry I had missed that one. What did you expect, it comes from Mos... but seriously you know that it’s a big lie... I have visited a lot of villages in Armenia, I have nowhere seen such sentiments. The village Mos is talking about is somewhere in his head. On the other hand, we must admit that there are Iranians not so well-educated who still consider Christians as 'kafar'. So it exists on both sides.

1. How will it help Armenians in Iran, or the Armenian nation, if more of those types of attitudes are generated, especially on Iran's Northern border or within the ranks of the Iranian military?

2. Will telling the Iranian government or Iranian people "it exists on both sides" change the minds of Iranians, be dismissed as a poor excuse, and/or potentially garner Armenians new enemies?

3 . You need to consider the factual circumstances surrounding each nation: population, size, military strength, size of the economy, challenges faced, enemies on the borders, etc. Let me put it differently: If some idiot Iranians say negative things about the Armenian-Church it doesn't change Iran's economic or military position in any appreciable way. If some idiotic Armenians start saying negative things about Islam, Mohammad or Iranians it potentially puts the entire Armenian nation's survival at stake.

4. There are 75-80 million Iranians in Iran - 200 million worldwide. There are some idiotic Iranians that hold anti-Armenian views and I don't doubt that - I heard of one once (but never met any). However, I don't see blogs being run by Iranians where disparate users repeatedly say Armenians are 'kafar' (or INSERT COMMON NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE OF ARMENIANS HERE). On the other hand, there are far fewer Armenians in the world than Iranians, yet a far higher incidence of these sorts of negative views being espoused by Armenians against Iranians despite Armenians much smaller population. In other words, the rate (%) of Iranians being subjected to negative views by Armenians from interacting with Armenians is astronomically higher. This is a vulnerability that will be milked by Aliyev and Turkey to destroy Armenia - I've noticed that they've started beaming Armenians' negative comments against Islam and Iranians into Iran, and if you don't think that poses an existential threat to Armenia and Armenians - I wish I could say that I share your optimism.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

There are 75-80 million Iranians in Iran - 200 million worldwide. There are some idiotic Iranians that hold anti-Armenian views and I don't doubt that - I heard of one once (but never met any). However, I don't see blogs being run by Iranians where disparate users repeatedly say Armenians are 'kafar' (or INSERT COMMON NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE OF ARMENIANS HERE). On the other hand, there are far fewer Armenians in the world than Iranians, yet a far higher incidence of these sorts of negative views being espoused by Armenians against Iranians despite Armenians much smaller population. In other words, the rate (%) of Iranians being subjected to negative views by Armenians from interacting with Armenians is astronomically higher. This is a vulnerability that will be milked by Aliyev and Turkey to destroy Armenia - I've noticed that they've started beaming Armenians' negative comments against Islam and Iranians into Iran, and if you don't think that poses an existential threat to Armenia and Armenians - I wish I could say that I share your optimism.

There are a few possible explanations. a) Those Armenians are idiots who have bought into western propaganda against Iran b) A lot of non-Armenians make up fake accounts and pretend to be Armenians . I've witnessed cases of both but there are a lot more of (b) than (a) since the majority of Armenians are clueless and indifferent.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

... in Israel, stoning is also mentioned in the Torah.

The stones Israel & America throw are bombs from the sky.
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Woman Accidentally Brings Down Armenia's Internet

http://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/telecom/internet/georgian-woman-accidentally-brings-down-armenias-internet

Who needs to conduct a sophisticated cyber attack to bring down a country's Internet service when all you need is a shovel?
There were news stories this week in the London Guardian and the Wall Street Journal (here and here) regarding a 75-year old Georgian woman by the name of Aishtan Shakarian who was scavenging for copper accidentally damaged the international fiber-optic cable carrying 90% of Armenia's Internet traffic with her shovel. While some Armenian telecom companies were able to switch to connections running through Iran, most of the 3.2 million citizens of Armenia were without Internet service for up to 12 hours, as were some portions of Georgia and Azerbaijan.

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Turkey and Azerbaijan will attack you before they ever think of attacking us, but I appreciate your concern.

He doesn't know what he is talking about. I think too much nato propaganda has caused many in the west to think that their armies are unstoppable.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

... idiots who have bought into western propaganda against Iran.

I've long felt that at Turkey's and Azerbaijan's behest, the U.S. and Israel through mainstream news outlets, VOA, and numerous organizations that they subsidize are attempting (with some success) to sell Armenians a view of Iran that will be detrimental to Armenians. The U.S. and Israel want Turkey and Azerbaijan to have a land connection as a hedge against Russia and to expand NATO operations and bases in the Caucuses (they proved that by trying to gin-up Georgia against Russia - I believe that was a trial run to test Russia's commitment and response). Destroying the Armenian community in Iran, encouraging another Armenian diaspora, and baiting Armenians to hold views that will make it difficult for them to do business with or live in Iran, has been at the top of the U.S./Israel agenda. The U.S. & Israel want to keep Turkey and Azerbaijan as allies - and the prize they've offered them is Armenia.

Anti-Iran propaganda is the invisible missile that's being fired into Yerevan on a daily basis - Yerevan's defensive shield should have been a more thorough educational system that taught of Armenia's connection to Iran and the nuances of this type of vulnerability and how it will be exploited by foreign intelligence agencies. I am surprised no one has written an article on it (that I could find) because it is an effective weapon against Armenia that is now being used on a daily basis.

A crude but effective way to think about it: "Western propaganda against Iran" = "Western propaganda against Armenia"

All Azerbaijan has to do is to secure a minimal land border with Turkey and that would effectively render Armenia a semi-autonomous Turkish province. Georgia is already working with Turkey, Israel and the U.S.

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I've long felt that at Turkey's and Azerbaijan's behest, the U.S. and Israel through mainstream news outlets, VOA, and numerous organizations that they subsidize are attempting (with some success) to sell Armenians a view of Iran that will be detrimental to Armenians. The U.S. and Israel want Turkey and Azerbaijan to have a land connection as a hedge against Russia and to expand NATO operations and bases in the Caucuses (they proved that by trying to gin-up Georgia against Russia - I believe that was a trial run to test Russia's commitment and response). Destroying the Armenian community in Iran, encouraging another Armenian diaspora, and baiting Armenians to hold views that will make it difficult for them to do business with or live in Iran, has been at the top of the U.S./Israel agenda. The U.S. & Israel want to keep Turkey and Azerbaijan as allies - and the prize they've offered them is Armenia.

This is the invisible missile that's being fired into Yerevan on a daily basis - Yerevan's defensive shield should have been a more thorough educational system that taught of Armenia's connection to Iran and the nuances of this type of vulnerability and how it will be exploited by foreign intelligence agencies. I am surprised no one has written an article on it (that I could find) because it is an effective weapon against Armenia that is now being used on a daily basis.

A crude but effective way to think about it: "Western propaganda against Iran" = "Western propaganda against Armenia"

All Azerbaijan has to do is to secure a minimal land border with Turkey and that would effectively render Armenia a semi-autonomous Turkish province. Georgia is already working with Turkey, Israel and the U.S.

What you say applies to Russia as well. In recent years there have been more attempts by agents of influence in Armenia to show the Russians as colonizing Armenia or attempting to show all Russians as skin heads who hate and kill Armenians. Both Iran and Russia realize the important role Armenia plays in the region both as a hammer to hold over azerbaijan and turkey's heads, and to curb Western influence. Not to mention the ideological role that Armenian nationalism plays against pan-turanism.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

See post #906 (2 above).

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

See post #906 (2 above).

I agree, cut off her hair and she will become powerless entirely surrounded by wolves.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I agree, cut off her hair and she will become powerless entirely surrounded by wolves.

Let's help the kids that don't get it still ...