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  • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

    Persia cultural influence extended further east than your map highlights. However Parthia was inhabited by Semitic pastoralist types and the Persia empire only really had a Indo-Iranic elite. What is more, Persia was knocked over by many invaders and it is now basically a Turko-Persian entity. Which is why Persian loan words make up 40% of Usbek and you only have to scratch the Turk to find the Persian.

    Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
    "Armenians that stayed on the North side of the iron curtain likely have genetic admixtures from the various soviet republics that ParskaHyes don't have because of the things that happened on the other side of the fence. Hope that helps."
    ParskaHyes may well have admixed with Iranians. However Orthodox Christians on the whole, tend to be very close knit and on the whole I'd say that they seldom admix with other peoples. I am not a Armenian though and you would need to ask them.

    Armenians have close affiliations to the Assyrians and to a lesser extent, the Georgians and Greeks. Armenian is also a independent Indo-European branch, that has borrowings from more ancient Anatolian languages. So Armenians aren't Indo-Iranics or of 'Persia stock'.

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    • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
      Do you think mukuch is Armenian? From his actions does he come across as a Hye to you?
      He's a sketchy character... he might be Armenian but doesn't want to reveal his identity so he tries typing strange. On the other hand, he is all over the place with his views, sometime just to add confusion or throw people off. I don't know too many Armenians keen on writing with poor grammar (at least those who try to appear knowledgeable). Hell, my grandfather came to America late in life and he was still trying to master English up until the very end.

      Originally posted by levon1 View Post
      Yep, got banned for cussing on bell-the-cat. For any other reason I would have complied with the ban.

      I only have a problem with what Persepolis claims, as his claims imply Armenians are Iranic. They are unsubstantiated. But, I really don't wanna get in the middle of Armanen-Mukuch fight.
      Armenians aren't Iranic, there are scholarly arguments that they are both Aryan people just like how J3ws and Arabs are Semitic.


      Interesting read:

      The Semitic Mind Vs. The Aryan Mind

      "Aryan minds soar on the wings of imagination while the Semitic is literal and earthbound. Put another way the Aryan is scientific while the Semitic is magical."

      "As man appears solid the Semites, xxxs, then said it is quite obvious the body has nothing to do with stars but is obviously made out of solid earth. Whether they were of this opinion before they were transferred to Mesopotamia from Judea in 586 BC isn’t clear, but it is clear the idea came from Mesopotamia as the xxxs claim to have come into existence there c. 2000 BC."

      "The Aryan asserted that man was star born and on death returned to the stars, made of the stuff of stars while the Semites, xxxs once again, insisted that man is made out of mud. They say God picked up a clod of dirt and molded man out of it much as a medieval rabbi made the Golem out of dirt. The xxxs, then, are obligated to defend this position eternally or admit their religion, their basis of existence, is based on a falsehood hence invalid."

      "Now, the Aryan position was that the gods were pure spirit, that is insubstantial, and that the various levels of gods- from gods to angels- became more enmeshed in matter as they descended until one arrived at man who was pure matter. Hence the conflict between the spiritual and material. But man is still of the substance of stars."

      http://contemporarynotes.wordpress.c...he-aryan-mind/
      Last edited by KanadaHye; 04-09-2011, 07:02 AM.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

        Originally posted by levon1 View Post
        And what would an Iranian-Azari do anyway? There is one here and after an argument I spit in his face.
        Seriously doubt it, unless he was an old man or a child. But if you have those sorts of illusions and manners you can always PM me your phone # and address and try with me. Online tough guys are just that. For the sake of Armenians, I hope one of his family members doesn't over-react in Iran.

        Originally posted by levon1 View Post
        Big woop. Iran had some influence on Armenia, so what.
        You're making progress, but the scholars didn't say "some." Read the part of the book that says from the "6th century B.C. to the 3rd century A.D." - do you know how many years that is? Have a look again at this too: By George A. Bournoutian, Prof. of Armenian History Columbia Univ.: "Prior to the third century A.D., Iran had more influence on Armenia's culture than any of its other neighbours."

        Originally posted by levon1 View Post
        I only have a problem with what Persepolis claims....
        Sorry, my name isn't "George A. Bournoutian, Prof. of Armenian History Columbia Univ." You have a problem with people quoting books.
        Last edited by Persopolis; 04-09-2011, 08:33 AM.

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        • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

          Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
          Well I think I rather listen to zionists than to idiotes
          Emigration from Iran to America has been fostered by an Israeli group, under a scheme where members of Iran's Armenian community can file immigration applications via the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, HIAS. When the application is approved, HIAS pays 3,000 US dollars for each family member, and then they all travel to Austria where they stay until all the legalities are done and can leave for the States. Once in the U.S. it takes about 10-20 years for your children's Armenian identity to stripped of them and whatever negative social consequences that may follow (let’s call it the "Kim Karsdashian effect"). Ultimately, Iran will be depopulated of Armenians, and Armenian churches in Iran will have to be used for other purposes and leave Armenians without a lobby in Iran.

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            Originally posted by retro View Post
            ...Persia empire only really had a Indo-Iranic elite.
            Funny never heard that before.

            Originally posted by retro View Post
            What is more, Persia was knocked over by many invaders and it is now basically a Turko-Persian entity.
            Now that's really funny. Iranian-Azaris are Iranian (I won't spend time explaining it to you, research it if it interests you); Iran does have a small Turkmen tribe (on the border with Turkmenistan - those are real Turks). The Turks were nomadic people that looted and burned as they passed through Iran, but usually they sacked Armenia first on their way to the Ottoman empire.

            Originally posted by retro View Post
            Which is why Persian loan words make up 40% of Usbek and you only have to scratch the Turk to find the Persian.
            Uzbek's were mixed with Persian genes after ancient Persia conquered them - they borrowed our words; I don't have a problem with it. We genetically diluted turkish influence in some of the lands in the far east (e.g., Uzbekistan), which is ones of the reasons Modern-Day Turkey has less influence over them.

            Originally posted by retro View Post
            Orthodox Christians ... seldom admix with other peoples.
            Long before there was Christianity Armenians mixed with Persians. Even during my lifetime, Armenians mixed with Persians. Persian is an ethnicity not a religion. The Armenians on the other side of the iron curtain mixed with all sorts of ethnicities from the various Soviet republics for about 200 years - so if there is a difference, that would likely be it. Also, whenever a group has a large diaspora it tends to mix with other cultures and ethnicities.
            Last edited by Persopolis; 04-09-2011, 09:19 AM.

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            • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

              Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
              Emigration from Iran to America has been fostered by an Israeli group, under a scheme where members of Iran's Armenian community can file immigration applications via the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, HIAS. When the application is approved, HIAS pays 3,000 US dollars for each family member, and then they all travel to Austria where they stay until all the legalities are done and can leave for the States. Once in the U.S. it takes about 10-20 years for your children's Armenian identity to stripped of them and whatever negative social consequences that may follow (let’s call it the "Kim Karsdashian effect"). Ultimately, Iran will be depopulated of Armenians, and Armenian churches in Iran will have to be used for other purposes and leave Armenians without a lobby in Iran.
              so you can see the future? cool!

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              • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

                Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                so you can see the future? cool!
                Yes - Just like Diaspora Minister Stepan Petrosyan, and just as this forum is a window into the future.



                "As he [Diaspora Minister Stepan Petrosyan] told a news conference in Yerevan, Latin America’s Armenian community is under the threat of assimilation. With extensive number of mixed marriages, 70% of Armenians are not involved in the life of local community."

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                • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

                  Probably the best way of enhancing Armenian/Iranian relations is to remind Armenians that not all people that speak the Armenian language are Armenians - and that not all people that speak the Armenian language online have the best interests of Armenians in mind.

                  Language is not a perfect identifier:

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                  • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

                    Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
                    Probably the best way of enhancing Armenian/Iranian relations is to remind Armenians that not all people that speak the Armenian language are Armenians - and that not all people that speak the Armenian language online have the best interests of Armenians in mind.
                    The most common comment on that video is "This guy knows better Armenian than me"
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

                      Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                      so you can see the future? cool!

                      Do you not live in the West? Do you not see assimilation at work on a daily basis? And it is true for all immigrant communities, some more than others true, but all are affected in the long run.
                      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                      http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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