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  • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

    WESTWARD HO!

    Editorial, 31 August 2015

    Without much ado, millions of Turks living in the eastern part of
    the country have been moving to the centre and further west while
    several millions of Turks have left Turkey for the more promising
    shores of Europe, North America and Australia. Kurds are also moving
    west, but the Turks are doing so in far greater numbers.

    Several months ago Dr. Suven Suk, PhD in economics and director
    of independent and non-partisan think tank called Economic Policy
    Research Foundation of Turkey (TEPAV), wrote in Hurriyet Daily News
    that 50 years ago the population of Turkey was evenly distributed
    between the west, centre, and the east.

    That pattern remained unchanged until 1980 when the population
    shift towards west began in earnest. By 2000 the west had 44% of the
    population; the centre had 30% and the east 26%. Three years ago there
    was a further shift towards the west: the latter's share increased
    to almost half (49%) of the population; the centre declined from 30%
    to 28% while the east shrank to 23%. Bottom line: since 1965 western
    Turkey's share of the population has increased by 15%.

    The two main reasons for the population shift are industrialization
    and urbanization. Some 75% of Turkey's population lives in cities. As
    well, Diyarbakir (Dikranagerd), Van, and Sanliurfa (Urfa), Gaziantep
    (Aintab), and Kahramanmarash (Marash) are the only eastern cities
    which have populations of more than 1 million. In the west Istanbul
    has a population of 14,500,000, Ankara (5,200,000), Izmir (4,200,000),
    Adana (2,200,000), Antalya (2,250,000), Konya (2,100,000), Bitlis,
    Kocaeli, and Mersin each 1,800,000, and Kayseri (1,350,000).

    Turkey has a population of close to 80 million. About 18% (14,500,000)
    are Kurds. The latter estimate they make up 20% (16 million).

    Non-Turks and non-Kurds are, according to the CIA World Fact Book, 7%
    to 12% of the population. The majority of the Kurds live in eastern
    Turkey (Western Armenia). During the recent presidential elections
    they demonstrated their clout by winning about 13% of the votes
    and scuttled Erdogan's plan for greater presidential powers. In big
    eastern cities Kurds almost monopolized mayoral seats and administer
    more than 110 municipalities.

    What does the population shift mean to the future of Turkey, Turkish
    Kurdistan, and to Armenian demands for Western Armenia?

    If the westward migration continues, it will probably be so at a
    faster pace than in the past: Eastern Turks becoming a minority would
    be more eager to move west. The violence between Kurds and Turkish
    army would be another incentive for Turks to leave the east.

    Many Turkey experts believe the recent increased violence between
    the army and the Kurds (engineered by Erdogan who, considering his
    Pinocchio proclivities, should be called Erdocchio) could well result
    in the president's victory in the snap elections in early November.

    His AKP party would then form a single-party government at the expense
    of the HDP (the mainly Kurdish party) and encourage Erdogan to impose
    harsher measures against the Kurds. Thus more violence. But now
    the Kurds aren't the Kurds of the 1990s. They're more sophisticated
    politically, are better organized and armed. The world knows about
    their plight more than it did in the past. They can also call
    upon their brothers and sisters in Iraq and Syria for military and
    financial help.

    The emptying of Turks from the east will make state administration
    there more vulnerable as Ankara tries to control millions of restive
    Kurds. Turkey will probably play the autonomy card. Some Kurds will
    be content while most will continue to demand independence. Turkish
    leaders know that Kurds are aiming for full independence, but no
    Ankara administration wants to be the one which "lost Kurdistan".

    What about the Armenians and their land demands?

    That's the 46 Million Dollar Question.

    Certain Diaspora Armenians and Armenian organizations (the National
    Congress of Western Armenians, for one--NCWA) believe that the best
    way to recover some of the occupied Western Armenian lands is through
    dialogue with Ankara and by waiting for Turkey's democratization. The
    thesis is that as a democratic Turkey allows its citizens to know the
    truth about 1915, Turks will concede to some Armenian demands. Other
    Armenians believe they should help the Kurds gain independence with the
    obvious promise of the return of some Western Armenia lands to Armenia
    when Kurdistan is born. These lands would presumably be contiguous to
    the Republic of Armenia. The guilt many Kurds feel for the Kurdish
    participation in the Genocide would also help the Armenian Cause,
    the second group likes to believe.

    If Turkey continues its occupation of Western Armenia, the strategy
    of, for example, the NCWA seems more practical. But the second, which
    advocates an Armenian/Kurdish alliance, has to become proactive. Panel
    discussions, cordial meetings, photo ops, recognition of the Genocide
    of the Armenians by the Kurds (and the admission of their participation
    in it), and goodwill will achieve only so much in building strong
    bonds with the Kurds.

    The second 60 Million Question is how can the Armenians assist
    the Kurds in a robust manner? More intensive, organized and focused
    efforts have to be made by the Armenian Diaspora to support the Kurdish
    independence. Through dialogue with the Kurds Armenians have to learn
    what the Kurds need and whether Armenians are in a position to provide
    it. While doing so, Armenians should also obtain Kurdish commitment
    for the return of certain/to be negotiated Western Armenian lands.

    This all sounds like counting the eggs before they're hatched.

    However, one can feed the hen before it lays the eggs and hope the
    fowl will remember its benefactor after the chicks are born. Although
    Britain and France did not solicit Italian help, Italians volunteered
    to fight, along with the British and the French, in the Crimean War.

    After the war, grateful Britain and France became godfathers to
    independent Italy and discouraged Austria from obstructing the birth
    of the new state. There are too many examples of such give-and-take
    in international affairs to cite.

    Hayastan or Bust.

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      HPG reports ongoing actions by guerrillas
      Many Turkish soldiers have been killed in retaliation actions conducted by HPG (People's Defense Forces) guerrillas in Northern Kurdistan in response to the ongoing attacks by Turkish army.
      Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:30 PM
      BEHDINAN - ANF
      Many Turkish soldiers have been killed in retaliation actions conducted by HPG (People's Defense Forces) guerrillas in Northern Kurdistan in response to the ongoing attacks by Turkish army.

      HPG Press Office provided the following details about the guerrilla actions between August 29 and 31.

      HAKKARİ

      Closing the road between Hakkari's Gerdiya and Şemzinan areas at 17:45 on August 31, guerrillas performed ID checks and informed the people about the current process.

      Guerrillas also closed the road leading to Şemzinan Battalion, Garê, Katuna and Xelena guard posts at 11:00 on August 31, performing ID checks and informing the people about the current process.

      Guerrillas conducted an action with heavy weapons against Gare guard post in Şemzinan area between 20:00-21:00 on August 31, but the number of casualties couldn't be verified.

      Another action by guerrillas targeted a tank belonging to the Turkish army near Davuşa village in Hakkari's Çukurca district at 09:00 on August 29. The tank was damaged and one soldier was killed.

      Guerrillas conducted another action against Gırê guard post at Zap border at 07:30 and 16:30 on August 31. While the casualties couldn't be verified, troops at Gırê and Eriş guard posts shelled Betkar and Sıpindar villages after the action.

      Guerrillas hold control of the roads between Hakkari-Çukurca, Geliyê Doski- Oremar guard post in Yüksekova, Mêrgezere- Şıtaza and Oremar guard posts, Derya village- Bezelê guard post in Şemdinli.

      TURKISH DRONE BROUGHT DOWN

      Guerrillas brought down a drone of the Turkish army flying over Garê guard post in Hakkari's Şemdinli area near the border to Xakurkê at 14:00 on August 31.

      In another action in memory of Martyr Andok, guerrillas bombed Hill Meşkan in Colomerg (Hakkari) from 07:00 to 11:00 on August 31.

      One soldier was killed in a separate assassination action., after which Cobra type helicopters shelled the area at random, starting a fire which still continues.

      VAN

      Guerrillas sabotaged a convoy of the Turkish army heading from Elci guard post to Boşan guard post in Van's Başkale district at 09:25 on August 31. While the number of casualties couldn't be verified, one vehicle was damaged in the action which was carried out in memory of guerrillas fallen in Dersim and Botan.

      Guerrillas performed ID check on the road between Van's Çaldıran district and Özalp's Kiyaniş area between 17:30 and 21:30 on August 31. Informing the people about the current process, guerrillas detained three village guards who were later released after promising to leave their job.

      One soldier was killed in an assassination action by guerrillas targeting Kotom guard post in Van at 18:00 on August 31. Turkish army shelled the area at random after the action.

      URFA

      Two police were killed in an action conducted by guerrillas in Riha (Urfa) at 01:30 on August 29 in retaliation for the isolation of Kurdish leader Abdullah Öcalan and the policies of repression and massacre pursued by the Turkish state against the Kurdish people.

      ŞIRNAK

      Guerrillas destroyed three base stations in Beytüşşebap district of Şırnak at 17:40 on August 31.

      SİİRT

      In an action in memory of YJA Star guerrilla Ekin Van, Martyr Sarya team hit soldiers on their way to Şuxan guard post in Siirt's Pervari district at 17:40 on August 31. Four soldiers were killed and two others were wounded.

      AMED

      Turkish army continues military build-up in Lice-Karas-Hani triangle in Amed.

      BİNGÖL

      Special operation police teams have been dispatched to Bingöl's Karlıova district since August 29.

      Village guards and soldiers have been deployed to the villages of Bedran, Alpira and Çır in Karlıova area in the evening of August 31. Their activity in the area continues.

      Sikorsky type helicopters airdropped special units into the villages of Warê Erebo snd Xuşokê in Karlıova at 19:00 on August 31.

      BİTLİS

      Guerrillas hit a Sikorsky helicopter of the Turkish army on its way from Bitlis to Hidriz guard post on August 31 evening. Details of the action couldn't be made clear.

      Holding the road between Bitlis and its Hizan district from 09:30 to 13:00 on August 31, guerrillas performed ID checks and informed the people about the current process. Guerrillas immediately responded to the fire opened from a car on YJA Star guerrillas during the road control.

      Guerrillas continue their control on the roads between Tavan-Hizan and Bitlis-Hizan since August 12.

      The road between Bitlis and Şêx Cuma guard post was closed by guerrillas on August 31 afternoon, who performed ID checks and informed the people about the process. A vehicle transporting supplies to the guard post was burnt down.

      DERSİM

      Guerrillas continue their control on the roads between Dersim-Erzincan and Dersim-Ovacık since August 17.

      ----
      Once again, familiar names......
      Andok, is a famous mountain in Sasun, second only to Maratug. This man is most probably a hidden Armenian....
      Bosan, must be our famous Bostan=Aykestan of Van.....
      Last edited by Vrej1915; 09-07-2015, 03:42 PM.

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      • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

        PKK attack kills soldiers in south-eastern Turkey
        BBC


        More than 60 members of the security forces have been killed in recent months
        A number of Turkish soldiers have been killed in an attack in the south-eastern province of Hakkari.

        The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) rebel group said in a statement that it had carried out the attack.
        Turkish media said Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu was calling an emergency security meeting.

        There has been a surge in violence between the army and the PKK after a ceasefire collapsed in July in the wake of Turkish raids on PKK camps in Iraq.
        On Sunday, Turkish media said bombs were detonated as two military vehicles were passing in the village of Daglica.
        President Recep Tayyip Erdogan promised "a very particular and decisive" response on Turkish TV.

        The PKK statement said 15 soldiers had died and weapons had been seized, but there was no official confirmation of the toll.
        Local media said that air strikes had been launched against PKK positions on Sunday evening in retaliation.

        The government says military operations against the PKK will continue until the group withdraws from Turkish soil and disarms.

        Curfews have been imposed in several towns where clashes take place and over a hundred districts have been declared "temporary security zones".
        In retaliation, several municipalities in the predominantly Kurdish east and south-east of Turkey have announced "self-rule".

        Critics accuse President Erdogan of renewing violence to curb the support for the pro-Kurdish People's Democratic Party (HDP), whose 14% share of the vote in June elections cost the governing AKP its majority in parliament.

        The government denies these accusations. Many people fear the clashes will mount as snap elections scheduled for November draw closer.
        More than 40,000 people have died since the PKK launched its armed campaign in 1984.

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          Turkey vows to 'wipe out' PKK rebels after bomb attack
          BBC
          Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu vows to "wipe out" Kurdish PKK rebels in their strongholds after a deadly bomb attack on the Turkish army.


          Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has pledged to "wipe out" Kurdish PKK rebels in their strongholds after a deadly bomb attack on the Turkish army.
          "The mountains of this country, the plains, highlands, cities will be not abandoned to terrorists," he said.

          At least 16 Turkish soldiers died in Sunday's attack in the south-eastern Hakkari province, the army said.

          In retaliation, Turkey carried out several air strikes on PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) targets on Monday.
          Speaking at a news conference on Monday, Mr Davutoglu said: "You cannot discourage us from our war on terror. Those mountains will be cleared of these terrorists. Whatever it takes, they will be cleared."

          President Recep Tayyip Erdogan earlier said he was saddened by the attack and promised a "decisive" response.
          "The pain of our security forces who were martyred in the treacherous attack by the separatist terrorist organisation sears our hearts," he said.
          There has been a surge in violence between the army and the PKK after a ceasefire collapsed in July.

          The PKK said it was behind the attack. Initially it said 15 soldiers had been killed, but later raised the figure to 31.
          But the Turkish army said on Monday that 16 soldiers died, while six were injured.

          The army said bombs had been detonated near two military vehicles in the village of Daglica on Sunday evening.
          The area is close to the border with Iraq.

          'Self-rule'

          After President Erdogan's comments, about 200 people chanting slogans in his support attacked the offices of Turkish newspaper Hurriyet in Istanbul.

          They accused the news organisation of misquoting Mr Erdogan and implying that he was trying to gain political capital from the Daglica attack.
          Hurriyet has attracted criticism from pro-government circles over its coverage of the conflict between Turkey's government and the PKK.

          The government says military operations against the Kurdish rebel group will continue until it withdraws from Turkish soil and disarms.
          Curfews have been imposed in several towns where clashes take place and over a hundred districts have been declared "temporary security zones".
          In response, several municipalities in the predominantly Kurdish east and south-east of Turkey have announced "self-rule".

          Critics accuse President Erdogan of renewing violence to curb the support for the pro-Kurdish People's Democratic Party (HDP), whose 14% share of the vote in June elections cost the governing AKP its majority in parliament.

          The government denies these accusations. Many people fear the clashes will mount as snap elections scheduled for November draw closer.
          More than 40,000 people have died since the PKK launched its armed campaign in 1984.

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          • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

            HPG: 31 soldiers killed, including one staff lieutenant colonel


            Monday, September 7, 2015
            BEHDINAN - ANF

            HPG (People's Defense Forces) Press Office has announced the results of clashes and actions against the Turkish troops that sought to make advances in Geliyê Doskî area.

            HPG reported that an action by guerrillas in Geliyê Doskî area of Hakkari's Gever (Yüksekova) district yesterday left 31 soldiers dead, including one staff lieutenant colonel, and 6 others wounded. Noting that the number of casualties on the side of the Turkish army was higher but the exact number couldn't be verified, HPG said guerrillas suffered no losses in clashes in this area.

            HPG stated that clashes between Turkish soldiers and guerrillas affiliated to HPG (People's Defense Forces) and YJA Star (Free Women's Troops) in Geliyê Doskî continued and got intensified on September 6. Emphasizing that heavy clashes have been taking place in Gever-Çelê-Colemêrg triangle area since August 10, where all the roads are under the control of guerrillas, HPG said the Turkish army hid the truth of guerrilla control in the area, as well as the clashes and their results since.

            The statement by HPG reported that Turkish army has intensely deployed military forces in Oremar and Şıtazın areas, while the area of guerrilla-held Geliyê Doskî was uninterruptedly bombed by Turkish jets, tanks and artillery fires since September 2.

            According to the statement, guerrillas have stopped the advance of Turkish troops in response to the occupation operation run by the Turkish army in this area. The statement underlined that the Turkish state hid the actual results of the clashes and heavy losses suffered by the Turkish army over the past several days.

            HPG provided the following details of the clashes as part of the Martyr Reşit Serdar Initiative;

            "A large convoy involving 2 tanks and 4 armored vehicles left Oremar (Dağlıca) and Şıtazın (Yeşiltaş) guard posts to advance towards Geliyê Doskî area between 12:00-13:00 on September 6. The convoy was also accompanied by a large number of soldiers. Guerrillas engaged in heavy clashes with this troop and effectively hit them with BKC and B-7 weapons, which left 4 soldiers dead and 4 others wounded. As armored vehicles attempted to intervene the clashes, one of them was hit and destroyed. Clashes, during which guerrillas hit the convoy with heavy weapons, continued intensely, and left 9 more soldiers dead. Corpses of all these and 9 arms of theirs were seized here. Retreating from the area after leaving the bodies of dead soldiers and armored vehicles at scene, soldiers intervened the scene with tanks and armored vehicles half an hour later. As clashes lasted till 15:00 in the afternoon, guerrillas hit the convoy with bombs and heavy machine guns at close range, and forced the convoy to retreat."

            Remarking that a number of soldiers coming from Yüksekova went into action for a second offensive in Geliyê Doskî area with 2 tanks and 4 armored vehicles after 15:00 o'clock, HPG said guerrillas conducted another sabotage action in which one tank and one armored vehicle was destroyed, while intense clashes erupted with the soldiers in the convoy.

            While the number of casualties in the destroyed tank couldn't be verified, four other armored vehicles were damaged, which left 8 soldiers dead, as much as could be verified. Guerrillas seized a large quantity of ammunition belonging to the soldiers, and hid the corpse of a soldier in a safe area.

            At 17:00 in the evening, guerrillas targeted a hill held by Turkish army in Mergê Zere area, from which an intense attack was conducted on the area. Infiltrating into the hill where six soldiers were present, guerrillas hit the first emplacement and killed the six soldiers here.

            Guerrillas also hit the second emplacement here, as a result of which 2 soldiers were killed and one other was wounded. Guard posts on Hill Remo and Hill Çetê were also hit.

            On the other hand, a Cobra type helicopter that attempted to intervene the scene was also hit and damaged by guerrillas with heavy weapons, which was therewith forced retreat from the area.

            Turkish jets, Cobra type helicopters and tanks also conducted an intense bombardment on the area during the clashes, in which cluster and phosphor bombs were used.

            31 soldiers, including one staff lieutenant colonel by the name of İlker Çelikcan, was killed and 6 others were wounded during the clashes that lasted till 7 September morning. While the number of casualties on Turkish army side is higher, guerrillas suffered no casualties.

            HPG said the Turkish army wasn't able to take the corpses of soldiers killed at two separate points, which were therewith seized by guerrillas in the area.

            While Turkish army has made attempts to take the bodies of soldiers through local villagers, HPG Regional Command has accepted to hand over the bodies.

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            • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

              Արարատի մարզում զգացվել է Թուրքիայում տեղի ունեցած պայթյունը
              Lragir.am
              Ներքին կյանք - 08 Սեպտեմբերի 2015,


              Սեպտեմբերի 8-ին, ժամը 09.46-ին ահազանգ է ստացվել, որ Արարատի մարզի Ռանչպար գյուղում պայթյունի ձայն է լսվել, տեղեկացնում է ՏԿԱԻՆ կայքը:
              Պարզվել է, որ պայթյունը տեղի է ունեցել Արարատի մարզի Նորամարգ գյուղից 5 կմ հեռավորության վրա` Թուրքիայի տարածքում:

              - See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/cou....79eNOYlL.dpuf

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              • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                Following yesterdays blast claiming dozens, today this...
                ----------------------------------------------------

                At least 14 policemen killed in PKK attack in eastern Turkey

                At least 14 policemen were killed after a police bus was hit by an improvised explosive device (IED) on a road in the eastern province of Iğdır.

                The bus was transporting a group of policemen to the Dilucu border gate, which connects Turkey to Azerbaijan’s Nakhchevan Autonomous Republic, when it was hit near Hasanköy Village.

                Security forces conducted an operation in the region following the attack.

                One of the 14 police officers who were killed in the attack was identified as Fehmi Şahin, who worked as a special bodyguard of former President Abdullah Gül.

                “Fehmi Şahin, who is among our sons who fell martyr, worked in my guard team for many years. I am in deep sorrow at losing Fehmi and his fellow soldiers to terror,” Gül wrote on his Twitter account on Sept. 8 while also stating his condolences for the families of all fallen police officers and soldiers.

                Osman Cangal, who works as an adviser to Gül, told Hürriyet on Sept. 8 that he was very sorry at losing his former colleague Şahin.

                In an earlier incident, a police bus en route to the Dilucu border gate came under fire from PKK militants on Aug. 27, leading to a clash with special forces. One policeman was wounded in the clash.

                September/08/2015

                At least 14 policemen have been killed after a police bus was hit by an improvised explosive device (IED) laid on a road by outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) militants in the eastern Turkish province of Iğdır

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                • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                  ARMENIAN ISSUE NOT A PRIORITY FOR TURKEY ANY MORE - EXPERT

                  7/September/2015

                  Turkologist Gevorg Petrosyan speaking to Nyut.am said that the
                  developments in Turkey are of great significance for Armenia. The
                  Peoples' Democracy Kurdish party which gathered 13% of votes at
                  the parliamentary elections has made a step forward and is getting
                  prepared for creation of Kurdistan- the thing Kurds tried to do for
                  decades and now they made a step forward.

                  "We must understand that Kurdistan will be created in the territory
                  of Western Armenia. As far as today the residents of this lands are
                  Kurds these developments relate to us as well," the Turkologist said,
                  stressing that Turkey fails to concentrate in anti-Armenian front as
                  its domestic and external issues divert this country from exercising
                  more accentuated anti-Armenian activity.

                  The expert finds that currently the Armenian factor in Turkish-Kurdish
                  developments is secondary.

                  "We must understand that currently the Armenian issue is not a priority
                  for Turkey. The Kurdish issue is a priority," he said.

                  Փնտրում ե՞ք խաղադրույքների հրաշալի կայքեր։ Շատ լավ, բարեբախտաբար Դուք հայտնվել եք ճիշտ տեղում։ Երբ խոսքը գնում է խաղադրույքների լավագույն կայքերի մասին, մենք դրա գիտակն ենք։

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                  • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                    PKK militants attack customs checkpoint on Turkish-Azerbaijani border

                    [ 08 September 2015 12:35 ]
                    According to preliminary information, 10 police officers were killed, 3 wounded

                    Baku – APA. PKK militants attacked early Tuesday morning the Dilucu customs checkpoint in the territory of Turkey’s Igdir province bordering with the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan.

                    A minibus carrying police officers was blown up by militants. According to preliminary information, 10 police officers were killed, 3 wounded, said the Turkish media.

                    A skirmish reportedly continues between security officers and militants.

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                    • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                      Let's wait and see exactly what has happened.
                      Blowing a bus is one thing, attacking, capturing a fixed check point on a flat plain a completely different story.
                      Specially at this highly strategic point, probably the most strategic one they can ever get. Yet in an open field, absolutely not easy task.....
                      If ever they manage to disturb the traffic on a long period on that highway, it will already be a miracle....

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