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Turkey's Demirtas warns leaders heading towards civil war
BBC

The head of the pro-Kurdish opposition HDP has accused the ruling AKP of orchestrating nationalist attacks and pushing Turkey towards civil war.

No-one has been killed, but Selahattin Demirtas said "we are facing a campaign of lynching".
Violence between the army and the militant Kurdish PKK has escalated in eastern Turkey since a ceasefire collapsed in July.
Turkey is to hold elections in November after inconclusive polls in June.
As the atmosphere in Turkey becomes increasingly febrile, Mr Demirtas questioned whether the vote could even go ahead while temporary military zones were in place in 100 areas of Turkey's mainly Kurdish south-east. He said there had been 400 attacks on HDP offices in two days.

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu took to Twitter to denounce the attacks. "It is unacceptable to damage media institutions, political party buildings and the property of our civilian citizens," he said.
But Mr Demirtas accused the prime minister and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of taking "the decision to start this war and intensify it".
The HDP denies claims by nationalists that is a political wing of the militant PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) and its leaders have accused the ruling AK Party of stoking unrest to drum up nationalist support ahead of the 1 November vote.
The HDP entered parliament for the first time in June elections; its 14% share of the vote deprived the AKP of a parliamentary majority.
Over the summer, the AKP made a vain attempt to reach a coalition deal with rival parties.

'Living together'

The headquarters of the HDP (Peoples' Democratic Party) headquarters in Ankara was attacked by a crowd and set alight late on Tuesday while Kurdish shops and stores in several cities were targeted by nationalists.

HDP lawmaker Garo Paylan complained that police stood by as the party building was attacked. "Police are just watching, he said. "What's being broken there is our hope of living together."
Two newspapers, Hurriyet and Daily Sabah, were also attacked. Hurriyet had earlier been accused by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of misquoting him.
Although no-one has been killed in nationalist protests, dozens of members of security forces as well as militants have died in recent days.
Fourteen police lost their lives in a bomb attack on a minibus near the eastern border on Tuesday, a day after 16 soldiers were killed in another PKK bombing.
Turkish fighter jets launched a wave of attacks on PKK bases in northern Iraq and ground forces crossed the border in pursuit of Kurdish militants for the first time since a ceasefire with the PKK two years ago.

Body in refrigerator

In the south-eastern city of Cizre, one resident told the BBC that a curfew imposed after deadly clashes meant that people were being kept under siege by security forces.
The body of a 10-year-old boy killed in the violence was being kept in a refrigerator by family members because restrictions on movement meant they could not take him to the mortuary.
More than 40,000 people have died since the PKK launched an armed campaign in 1984, calling for an independent Kurdish state within Turkey.
The ceasefire that began in 2013 unravelled in July, after a suicide bombing by suspected Islamic State militants near the border with Syria. The attack led to mutual recriminations between Kurdish groups and Turkey.

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Turkey's pro-Kurdish HDP party offices attacked in Ankara
8 September 2015

A crowd has attacked the headquarters of Turkey's pro-Kurdish HDP party, amid rising violence between Turkish forces and the militant Kurdish PKK group.
Pictures from the scene appeared to show the HDP building in the capital, Ankara, on fire.
Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has appealed for calm.
Earlier, Turkish ground forces crossed into Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish militants for the first time since a ceasefire with the PKK two years ago.
Turkish warplanes also launched a wave of air strikes on bases of the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) in northern Iraq.


Nationalists staged rallies across Turkey on Tuesday, hours after 14 police officers were killed in a suspected PKK bomb attack on a minibus in the east of the country.
The bombing came a day after another militant attack on the Turkish military killed 16 soldiers.

Newspaper attacked

HDP (Peoples' Democratic Party) lawmaker Garo Paylan told Reuters news agency that hundreds of protesters had attacked the building in Ankara.
"Police are just watching, he said. "What's being broken there is our hope of living together."
HDP offices in at least six other Turkish cities were reported to have been attacked and images on social media appeared to show those in the southern resort city of Alanya also on fire.
In Istanbul, pro-government protesters again attacked the offices of the Hurriyet newspaper, smashing windows. An angry crowd had stormed the building on Sunday accusing the newspaper of misquoting President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in a TV interview.
Mr Davutoglu took to Twitter to denounce the attacks.

"It is unacceptable to damage media institutions, political party buildings and the property of our civilian citizens," he said.
"I invite all my citizens with hearts full of love for the country to calm, embrace one another, and to have confidence in the state."
HDP leaders have accused Mr Davutoglu's governing AK Party (AKP) of stoking unrest to drum up nationalist support ahead of elections on 1 November.
The HDP entered parliament for the first time in June elections and its 14% share of the vote deprived the AKP of a parliamentary majority.
The surge in violence follows the collapse of a ceasefire in July between the Turkish army and the PKK.
The truce, which began in 2013, unravelled after a suicide bombing by suspected Islamic State militants near the border with Syria. The attack led to mutual recriminations between Kurdish groups and Turkey.
Earlier on Tuesday, Turkey's Dogan news agency said two special forces units, supported by warplanes, had entered northern Iraq and attacked two groups of militants.

At least 35 rebels were killed in air raids on PKK bases at Qandil, Basyan, Avashin and Zap, Anadolu news agency reported.
President Erdogan said the PKK had suffered "serious damage" inside and outside of Turkey and was in a state of "panic".
However, militants targeted a police minibus on Tuesday as it was heading towards a border post close to the Azerbaijani exclave of Nakhchivan, killing 14 officers.
Hours later, a policeman was shot dead when suspected PKK militants opened fire on his car in the eastern state of Kunceli.
In Sunday's attack, the PKK detonated bombs near two military vehicles in the village of Daglica, close to the border with Iraq.
More than 40,000 people have died since the PKK launched its armed campaign in 1984, calling for an independent Kurdish state within Turkey.

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Federate

Can you find a map of what they talking about? Will Nakichrvan be blocked off to Turks?

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ARMENIAN ISSUE NOT A PRIORITY FOR TURKEY ANY MORE - EXPERT

7/September/2015

Turkologist Gevorg Petrosyan speaking to Nyut.am said that the
developments in Turkey are of great significance for Armenia. The
Peoples' Democracy Kurdish party which gathered 13% of votes at
the parliamentary elections has made a step forward and is getting
prepared for creation of Kurdistan- the thing Kurds tried to do for
decades and now they made a step forward.

"We must understand that Kurdistan will be created in the territory
of Western Armenia. As far as today the residents of this lands are
Kurds these developments relate to us as well," the Turkologist said,
stressing that Turkey fails to concentrate in anti-Armenian front as
its domestic and external issues divert this country from exercising
more accentuated anti-Armenian activity.

The expert finds that currently the Armenian factor in Turkish-Kurdish
developments is secondary.

"We must understand that currently the Armenian issue is not a priority
for Turkey. The Kurdish issue is a priority," he said.

http://nyut.am/?p=82395&l=en

Turkologist? lol......you think Turkey will give up its current borders with Armenia the Kurds are again being led around like their goats.

I don't agree with Turkologist......he doesn't know Turks.

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Let's wait and see exactly what has happened.
Blowing a bus is one thing, attacking, capturing a fixed check point on a flat plain a completely different story.
Specially at this highly strategic point, probably the most strategic one they can ever get. Yet in an open field, absolutely not easy task.....
If ever they manage to disturb the traffic on a long period on that highway, it will already be a miracle....

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PKK militants attack customs checkpoint on Turkish-Azerbaijani border

[ 08 September 2015 12:35 ]
According to preliminary information, 10 police officers were killed, 3 wounded

Baku – APA. PKK militants attacked early Tuesday morning the Dilucu customs checkpoint in the territory of Turkey’s Igdir province bordering with the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan.

A minibus carrying police officers was blown up by militants. According to preliminary information, 10 police officers were killed, 3 wounded, said the Turkish media.

A skirmish reportedly continues between security officers and militants.

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ARMENIAN ISSUE NOT A PRIORITY FOR TURKEY ANY MORE - EXPERT

7/September/2015

Turkologist Gevorg Petrosyan speaking to Nyut.am said that the
developments in Turkey are of great significance for Armenia. The
Peoples' Democracy Kurdish party which gathered 13% of votes at
the parliamentary elections has made a step forward and is getting
prepared for creation of Kurdistan- the thing Kurds tried to do for
decades and now they made a step forward.

"We must understand that Kurdistan will be created in the territory
of Western Armenia. As far as today the residents of this lands are
Kurds these developments relate to us as well," the Turkologist said,
stressing that Turkey fails to concentrate in anti-Armenian front as
its domestic and external issues divert this country from exercising
more accentuated anti-Armenian activity.

The expert finds that currently the Armenian factor in Turkish-Kurdish
developments is secondary.

"We must understand that currently the Armenian issue is not a priority
for Turkey. The Kurdish issue is a priority," he said.

http://nyut.am/?p=82395&l=en

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Following yesterdays blast claiming dozens, today this...
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At least 14 policemen killed in PKK attack in eastern Turkey

At least 14 policemen were killed after a police bus was hit by an improvised explosive device (IED) on a road in the eastern province of Iğdır.

The bus was transporting a group of policemen to the Dilucu border gate, which connects Turkey to Azerbaijan’s Nakhchevan Autonomous Republic, when it was hit near Hasanköy Village.

Security forces conducted an operation in the region following the attack.

One of the 14 police officers who were killed in the attack was identified as Fehmi Şahin, who worked as a special bodyguard of former President Abdullah Gül.

“Fehmi Şahin, who is among our sons who fell martyr, worked in my guard team for many years. I am in deep sorrow at losing Fehmi and his fellow soldiers to terror,” Gül wrote on his Twitter account on Sept. 8 while also stating his condolences for the families of all fallen police officers and soldiers.

Osman Cangal, who works as an adviser to Gül, told Hürriyet on Sept. 8 that he was very sorry at losing his former colleague Şahin.

In an earlier incident, a police bus en route to the Dilucu border gate came under fire from PKK militants on Aug. 27, leading to a clash with special forces. One policeman was wounded in the clash.

September/08/2015

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/at-least-14-policemen-killed-in-pkk-attack-in-eastern-turkey-report.aspx?pageID=238&nID=88143&NewsCatID=341

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Արարատի մարզում զգացվել է Թուրքիայում տեղի ունեցած պայթյունը
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HPG: 31 soldiers killed, including one staff lieutenant colonel


Monday, September 7, 2015
BEHDINAN - ANF

HPG (People's Defense Forces) Press Office has announced the results of clashes and actions against the Turkish troops that sought to make advances in Geliyê Doskî area.

HPG reported that an action by guerrillas in Geliyê Doskî area of Hakkari's Gever (Yüksekova) district yesterday left 31 soldiers dead, including one staff lieutenant colonel, and 6 others wounded. Noting that the number of casualties on the side of the Turkish army was higher but the exact number couldn't be verified, HPG said guerrillas suffered no losses in clashes in this area.

HPG stated that clashes between Turkish soldiers and guerrillas affiliated to HPG (People's Defense Forces) and YJA Star (Free Women's Troops) in Geliyê Doskî continued and got intensified on September 6. Emphasizing that heavy clashes have been taking place in Gever-Çelê-Colemêrg triangle area since August 10, where all the roads are under the control of guerrillas, HPG said the Turkish army hid the truth of guerrilla control in the area, as well as the clashes and their results since.

The statement by HPG reported that Turkish army has intensely deployed military forces in Oremar and Şıtazın areas, while the area of guerrilla-held Geliyê Doskî was uninterruptedly bombed by Turkish jets, tanks and artillery fires since September 2.

According to the statement, guerrillas have stopped the advance of Turkish troops in response to the occupation operation run by the Turkish army in this area. The statement underlined that the Turkish state hid the actual results of the clashes and heavy losses suffered by the Turkish army over the past several days.

HPG provided the following details of the clashes as part of the Martyr Reşit Serdar Initiative;

"A large convoy involving 2 tanks and 4 armored vehicles left Oremar (Dağlıca) and Şıtazın (Yeşiltaş) guard posts to advance towards Geliyê Doskî area between 12:00-13:00 on September 6. The convoy was also accompanied by a large number of soldiers. Guerrillas engaged in heavy clashes with this troop and effectively hit them with BKC and B-7 weapons, which left 4 soldiers dead and 4 others wounded. As armored vehicles attempted to intervene the clashes, one of them was hit and destroyed. Clashes, during which guerrillas hit the convoy with heavy weapons, continued intensely, and left 9 more soldiers dead. Corpses of all these and 9 arms of theirs were seized here. Retreating from the area after leaving the bodies of dead soldiers and armored vehicles at scene, soldiers intervened the scene with tanks and armored vehicles half an hour later. As clashes lasted till 15:00 in the afternoon, guerrillas hit the convoy with bombs and heavy machine guns at close range, and forced the convoy to retreat."

Remarking that a number of soldiers coming from Yüksekova went into action for a second offensive in Geliyê Doskî area with 2 tanks and 4 armored vehicles after 15:00 o'clock, HPG said guerrillas conducted another sabotage action in which one tank and one armored vehicle was destroyed, while intense clashes erupted with the soldiers in the convoy.

While the number of casualties in the destroyed tank couldn't be verified, four other armored vehicles were damaged, which left 8 soldiers dead, as much as could be verified. Guerrillas seized a large quantity of ammunition belonging to the soldiers, and hid the corpse of a soldier in a safe area.

At 17:00 in the evening, guerrillas targeted a hill held by Turkish army in Mergê Zere area, from which an intense attack was conducted on the area. Infiltrating into the hill where six soldiers were present, guerrillas hit the first emplacement and killed the six soldiers here.

Guerrillas also hit the second emplacement here, as a result of which 2 soldiers were killed and one other was wounded. Guard posts on Hill Remo and Hill Çetê were also hit.

On the other hand, a Cobra type helicopter that attempted to intervene the scene was also hit and damaged by guerrillas with heavy weapons, which was therewith forced retreat from the area.

Turkish jets, Cobra type helicopters and tanks also conducted an intense bombardment on the area during the clashes, in which cluster and phosphor bombs were used.

31 soldiers, including one staff lieutenant colonel by the name of İlker Çelikcan, was killed and 6 others were wounded during the clashes that lasted till 7 September morning. While the number of casualties on Turkish army side is higher, guerrillas suffered no casualties.

HPG said the Turkish army wasn't able to take the corpses of soldiers killed at two separate points, which were therewith seized by guerrillas in the area.

While Turkish army has made attempts to take the bodies of soldiers through local villagers, HPG Regional Command has accepted to hand over the bodies.