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  • Re: Regional geopolitics

    The statement its true Haykakan......the only ally we had from day 1 to last day war Iran. There was one warning from Iran and that was not to allow the conflict to get inside its border.
    Also I don't agree Russia stopped Turkey from getting involved in NKR war as much as people say. They massed troops in case Armenia attacked Azerbaijan and show of force.

    Overrunning Armenia will get Russia and Iran involved to our benefit.....being ally or not, none of the two countries can effort Turkey connecting to Azerbaijan.
    B0zkurt Hunter

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    • Re: Regional geopolitics

      Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
      The statement its true Haykakan......the only ally we had from day 1 to last day war Iran. There was one warning from Iran and that was not to allow the conflict to get inside its border.
      Also I don't agree Russia stopped Turkey from getting involved in NKR war as much as people say. They massed troops in case Armenia attacked Azerbaijan and show of force.

      Overrunning Armenia will get Russia and Iran involved to our benefit.....being ally or not, none of the two countries can effort Turkey connecting to Azerbaijan.
      Eddo,
      Barsgasdane ampoghtch grvi jamanag mez tchi khankarel.
      Et ko assadze veraperum e ayn garj jamagahadvadzin, yerp menk Arakss turss eyink yegel, u Govsagane mnatzel er tarane engadz.
      Barssignere tzen hanetzin votch mer tem, ayl vor Turkere zinvadz tchemednen irantz daradzk.
      Irantz jamanag er bedk, mintchev evakuatzyan gazmagerbelu hamar zork peren, 2 shapat sbassetzink, vertche arentzink aynbess, vor irantz hamar klkhatzavank tchi lini.
      Paylun hamakordzaktziutyun gareli er voragel et, Artsakhi u Barsgasdani mitchev.

      Miyak trvake vor mut a, yev sevatzenum e badgere, ta Horatizi kravumen er, yerp mojahednere Barsgasdanitz antznelov, mer dez tchrampardagi platinayi vrayov, hedevitz khpetzin.
      Ta tzavali trvak er, mez mi kani haryur hoku gyank arjetzav, yev garevor daratzk gortzerink.
      Tranum getronagan Barsgasdani ishkhanutyunneri tere ter bedk e barzel....

      Paytz pakhtadadz Anklyatzineri, Russneri u Amerigatzineri aradzin, Barsigneri aradze tchi nshmarvum.
      I harg e, Turkyan u Pakstane tchem hashvum....

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      • Re: Regional geopolitics

        Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
        Eddo,

        Miyak trvake vor mut a, yev sevatzenum e badgere, ta Horatizi kravumen er, yerp mojahednere Barsgasdanitz antznelov, mer dez tchrampardagi platinayi vrayov, hedevitz khpetzin.
        Ta tzavali trvak er, mez mi kani haryur hoku gyank arjetzav, yev garevor daratzk gortzerink.
        Tranum getronagan Barsgasdani ishkhanutyunneri tere ter bedk e barzel....
        .
        You think this was at government level or just Iranian Azeris sympathetic to Azerbaijan letting them in.....how xxxxed up things can get, this is why I say when SHTF we can only trust each other and traders must be hanged.
        B0zkurt Hunter

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        • Re: Regional geopolitics

          Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
          You think this was at government level or just Iranian Azeris sympathetic to Azerbaijan letting them in.....how xxxxed up things can get, this is why I say when SHTF we can only trust each other and traders must be hanged.

          I do not know for sure.

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          • Re: Regional geopolitics

            Սերբիան ստիպված է հետաձգել «Հարավային հոսք» նախագծի աշխատանքները՝ Բուլղարիայի դիրքորոշման պատճառով
            09.06.14

            Սերբիան ստիպված է հետաձգել «Հարավային հոսք» գազամուղի նախագծի աշխատանքները՝ դրա կառուցումը դադարեցնելու մասին հարևան Բուլղարիայի իշխանությունների հայտարարության պատճառով: Այդ մասին հաղորդում է ria.ru-ն՝ վկայակոչելով Սերբիայի փոխվարչապետ և տրանսպորտի և ենթակառուցվածքների հարցերով նախարար Զորան Միխաիլովիչին:

            Կիրակի օրը Բուլղարիայի կառավարությունը կարգադրել էր դադարեցնել «Հարավային հոսք» գազամուղի կառուցման նախագծի շրջանակներում տարվող աշխատանքները Եվրահանձնաժողովի հետ խորհրդակցություններ անցկացնելու համար: Այդ հարցի շուրջ հետագա որոշումները կընդունվեն՝ Բրյուսելի հետ խորհրդակցությունների արդյունքներից կախված։

            Ռուսական «Գազպրոմ» էներգետիկ ընկերությունն իրականացնում է «Հարավային հոսք» գազամուղի կառուցման նախագիծը, որը պետք է Սև ծովով Ռուսաստանը միացնի Հարավային և Կենտրոնական Եվրոպաների հետ՝ շրջանցելով Ուկրաինան: Նախագծի ցամաքային հատվածն իրականացնելու համար միջկառավարական համաձայնագրեր են կնքվել Բուլղարիայի, Սերբիայի, Հունգարիայի և Սլովենիայի հետ:

            Լուրեր Հայաստանից - Թերթ.am

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            • Re: Regional geopolitics

              Armenians Worried by US Diplomat's Karabakh Comments

              Territories around Karabakh not “occupied”, but a consequence of war, Armenian legislator insists.
              By Yekaterina Poghosyan - Caucasus
              CRS Issue 738,
              6 Jun 14

              A speech last month by James Warlick, a United States diplomat who is part of the international group seeking a solution to the Nagorny Karabakh conflict, may have been officially welcomed in Yerevan, but many Armenians detected a shift of position that was not in their favour.

              In Nagorny Karabakh, the local Armenian leadership rejected the ambassador’s comments outright.

              Ambassador Warlick is the US member of the OSCE’s Minsk Group, which also includes Russian and French co-chairs and which has for year been trying to nudge Azerbaijanis and Armenians towards a workable solution to a conflict that stopped in 1994 and has remained effectively frozen since then.

              In a speech at the Carnegie Centre in Washington on May 7 to mark the 20th anniversary of the ceasefire, he focused on six principles for a settlement which have been on the table since 2007, with some modification since then.

              The “Madrid Principles”, as they are known, would grant Nagorny Karabakh an interim status pending a legally-binding referendum, while restoring to Azerbaijan the adjacent territories that are also under Armenian control. Refugees and internally displaced persons would be able to return home, a land corridor between Karabakh and Armenia would be maintained, and the international community would provide a peacekeeping force.

              “There can be no settlement without respect for Azerbaijan’s sovereignty, and the recognition that its sovereignty over these [surrounding] territories must be restored,” Warlick said. “The time has come for the sides to commit themselves to peace negotiations, building on the foundation of work done so far.”

              Although the return of territories outside Karabakh is a principle that US officials have expressed before, many Armenian politicians and analysts saw a tilt in emphasis in favour of Azerbaijan.

              Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandyan chose instead to focus on other elements of the ambassador’s speech, and he criticised Baku for refusing to grant OSCE monitors access to the “Line of Contact” that separates Karabakh and Azerbaijan forces around Karabakh.

              “Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, has rejected and continues to reject repeated suggestions from the co-mediating countries to strengthen ceasefire arrangements, to withdraw snipers from the front line, and create a mechanism for investigating incidents,” Nalbandyan said.

              His positive spin on the speech was unusual in Yerevan, as most other politicians saw nothing to like about it.

              Artak Zakaryan, a member of parliament’s foreign affairs committee from the ruling Republican Party, was highly critical of Ambassador Warlick’s comments.

              “They are largely unacceptable, particularly the fact that the security belt around Karabakh is termed the ‘occupied territories’,” Zakaryan said in an interview with Russia’s Regnum news agency. “Everyone is very well aware that this is not an occupation, but the result of the war that Azerbaijan brought to Karabakh. These territories are a significant factor in providing security not just for Karabakh, but for the whole region.”

              In Karabakh, which has declared itself an independent state but is not recognised as such by any member of the United Nations, the government rejected the speech, saying the international community needed to treat Karabakh and Azerbaijan as equal players. In the talks process, Azerbaijan has refused to deal with Karabakh, talking only to Armenia.

              “The Nagorny Karabakh conflict is the only one in the world where for two decades, the parties to a conflict have themselves managed to preserve peace and stability. I think that this very important and it shows, among other things, that Azerbaijan and Nagorny Karabakh can co-exist as two neighbouring sovereign states,” Karabakh president Bako Sahakyan, said in an interview with News.am. “It is impossible to achieve a solution to the conflict that will be acceptable to everyone. This is clear to anyone who can see Baku’s destructive policy. A full talks format has still not been created, but I am sure this is just a question of time.”

              One of the points made by Ambassador Warlick was that the Lachin area, which lies between Armenia and Nagorny Karabakh, could not remain wholly under Armenian control.

              “There should be a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorny Karabakh. It must be wide enough to provide secure passage, but it cannot encompass the whole of Lachin district,” he said.

              When a mission from the OSCE later travelled through Lachin, they were blocked by a group of protesters.

              Masis Mailyan, head of the Public Council on Foreign Policy and Security in Karabakh, said the co-chairs needed to scrap the Madrid Principles and start again.

              “Armenian diplomats should have long ago rejected any discussion of a document that not only contains many points that run counter to Armenian interests, but also has great destructive potential,” he told IWPR. “It’s time to relieve the international mediators of their false ideas. This would allow them to create new regulatory mechanisms that reflect current realities.”

              Stepan Grigoryan of the Analytical Centre on Globalisation and Regional Cooperation suspects that broader geopolitics are playing a role in subtle shifts in the Western position on Karabakh. Last year, Armenia abandoned plans to sign an Association Agreement with the European Union and announced it wanted to enter the Moscow-led Customs Union instead.

              “In my opinion, this is a consequence of Armenia’s desire to join the Customs Union. It’s clear that the United States and EU are expressing their dissatisfaction with this decision, and they cannot be pro-Armenia in their comments,” he told IWPR.

              In response to the discussion his remarks engendered, Ambassador Warlick used his Twitter page to say, “Thanks for comments, even critical ones, on my @CarnegieEndow speech. Important to have honest discussion about how to achieve #NKpeace.”

              Yekaterina Poghosyan is a report for the Mediamax news agency in Armenia.

              http://iwpr.net/report-news/armenian...abakh-comments

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              • Re: Regional geopolitics

                Thank you very much Vrej !!
                You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions.

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                • Re: Regional geopolitics

                  "The statement its true Haykakan...."
                  Yeh well then why did the big turck brother not invade? Why did it not invade for almost 90 years? You guys are so easy to brainwash it pittyful.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                  • Re: Regional geopolitics

                    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                    Armenians Worried by US Diplomat's Karabakh Comments

                    Territories around Karabakh not “occupied”, but a consequence of war, Armenian legislator insists.
                    By Yekaterina Poghosyan - Caucasus
                    CRS Issue 738,
                    6 Jun 14

                    A speech last month by James Warlick, a United States diplomat who is part of the international group seeking a solution to the Nagorny Karabakh conflict, may have been officially welcomed in Yerevan, but many Armenians detected a shift of position that was not in their favour.

                    In Nagorny Karabakh, the local Armenian leadership rejected the ambassador’s comments outright.

                    Ambassador Warlick is the US member of the OSCE’s Minsk Group, which also includes Russian and French co-chairs and which has for year been trying to nudge Azerbaijanis and Armenians towards a workable solution to a conflict that stopped in 1994 and has remained effectively frozen since then.

                    In a speech at the Carnegie Centre in Washington on May 7 to mark the 20th anniversary of the ceasefire, he focused on six principles for a settlement which have been on the table since 2007, with some modification since then.

                    The “Madrid Principles”, as they are known, would grant Nagorny Karabakh an interim status pending a legally-binding referendum, while restoring to Azerbaijan the adjacent territories that are also under Armenian control. Refugees and internally displaced persons would be able to return home, a land corridor between Karabakh and Armenia would be maintained, and the international community would provide a peacekeeping force.

                    “There can be no settlement without respect for Azerbaijan’s sovereignty, and the recognition that its sovereignty over these [surrounding] territories must be restored,” Warlick said. “The time has come for the sides to commit themselves to peace negotiations, building on the foundation of work done so far.”

                    Although the return of territories outside Karabakh is a principle that US officials have expressed before, many Armenian politicians and analysts saw a tilt in emphasis in favour of Azerbaijan.

                    Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandyan chose instead to focus on other elements of the ambassador’s speech, and he criticised Baku for refusing to grant OSCE monitors access to the “Line of Contact” that separates Karabakh and Azerbaijan forces around Karabakh.

                    “Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, has rejected and continues to reject repeated suggestions from the co-mediating countries to strengthen ceasefire arrangements, to withdraw snipers from the front line, and create a mechanism for investigating incidents,” Nalbandyan said.

                    His positive spin on the speech was unusual in Yerevan, as most other politicians saw nothing to like about it.

                    Artak Zakaryan, a member of parliament’s foreign affairs committee from the ruling Republican Party, was highly critical of Ambassador Warlick’s comments.

                    “They are largely unacceptable, particularly the fact that the security belt around Karabakh is termed the ‘occupied territories’,” Zakaryan said in an interview with Russia’s Regnum news agency. “Everyone is very well aware that this is not an occupation, but the result of the war that Azerbaijan brought to Karabakh. These territories are a significant factor in providing security not just for Karabakh, but for the whole region.”

                    In Karabakh, which has declared itself an independent state but is not recognised as such by any member of the United Nations, the government rejected the speech, saying the international community needed to treat Karabakh and Azerbaijan as equal players. In the talks process, Azerbaijan has refused to deal with Karabakh, talking only to Armenia.

                    “The Nagorny Karabakh conflict is the only one in the world where for two decades, the parties to a conflict have themselves managed to preserve peace and stability. I think that this very important and it shows, among other things, that Azerbaijan and Nagorny Karabakh can co-exist as two neighbouring sovereign states,” Karabakh president Bako Sahakyan, said in an interview with News.am. “It is impossible to achieve a solution to the conflict that will be acceptable to everyone. This is clear to anyone who can see Baku’s destructive policy. A full talks format has still not been created, but I am sure this is just a question of time.”

                    One of the points made by Ambassador Warlick was that the Lachin area, which lies between Armenia and Nagorny Karabakh, could not remain wholly under Armenian control.

                    “There should be a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorny Karabakh. It must be wide enough to provide secure passage, but it cannot encompass the whole of Lachin district,” he said.

                    When a mission from the OSCE later travelled through Lachin, they were blocked by a group of protesters.

                    Masis Mailyan, head of the Public Council on Foreign Policy and Security in Karabakh, said the co-chairs needed to scrap the Madrid Principles and start again.

                    “Armenian diplomats should have long ago rejected any discussion of a document that not only contains many points that run counter to Armenian interests, but also has great destructive potential,” he told IWPR. “It’s time to relieve the international mediators of their false ideas. This would allow them to create new regulatory mechanisms that reflect current realities.”

                    Stepan Grigoryan of the Analytical Centre on Globalisation and Regional Cooperation suspects that broader geopolitics are playing a role in subtle shifts in the Western position on Karabakh. Last year, Armenia abandoned plans to sign an Association Agreement with the European Union and announced it wanted to enter the Moscow-led Customs Union instead.

                    “In my opinion, this is a consequence of Armenia’s desire to join the Customs Union. It’s clear that the United States and EU are expressing their dissatisfaction with this decision, and they cannot be pro-Armenia in their comments,” he told IWPR.

                    In response to the discussion his remarks engendered, Ambassador Warlick used his Twitter page to say, “Thanks for comments, even critical ones, on my @CarnegieEndow speech. Important to have honest discussion about how to achieve #NKpeace.”

                    Yekaterina Poghosyan is a report for the Mediamax news agency in Armenia.

                    http://iwpr.net/report-news/armenian...abakh-comments
                    --------- there can be no settlement without ?? Respect ?? for turk (azeri) territory.
                    What a load of crap.
                    Those genocidal hominoids invaded that entire area, and are not indegent to there at all.
                    Baku used to be an Armenian named place and not turk.
                    No difference than the fraudulent turks calling Anatolia anadolu or Angora ankara.
                    The way any turks got any of those lands was by murder and theft.
                    They are not indegegenos to that entire area.
                    We are.
                    There can be no settlement without respect for Armenian territory.
                    That's how it should read.
                    We took back what was rightfully ours from murdering thieves, nothing more.
                    HARK

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                    • Re: Regional geopolitics

                      Karabakh Part Of Armenia, Says Kocharian
                      http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/25415767.html
                      Հրապարակված է՝ 09.06.2014

                      Former President Robert Kocharian has described Nagorno-Karabakh as “an inseparable part of Armenia” and lambasted a senior Armenian government official for disagreeing with that claim.

                      Kocharian made the statement through a spokesman last week in the context of President Serzh Sarkisian’s rejection of a Karabakh-related precondition for Armenia’s membership in the Eurasian Economic Union which was set by Kazakhstan. Sarkisian argued Karabakh is not legally part of Armenia and will therefore not be joining the Russian-led union together with the latter.

                      Kocharian’s press secretary, Victor Soghomonian, effectively claimed the opposite in comments cited by the Armenian media. Deputy Foreign Minister Shavarsh Kocharian (no relation to the ex-president) dismissed those remarks on Friday, saying that they could give Azerbaijan more ammunition for presenting Karabakh as an Armenian-occupied territory and denying the Karabakh Armenians the right to self-determination.

                      Soghomonian responded scathingly to Shavarsh Kocharian in a written statement to RFE/RL’s Armenian service (Azatutyun.am) on Monday. He branded the senior diplomat, who was a prominent opposition politician throughout Robert Kocharian’s 1998-2008 presidency, as a flip-flopper who wants to “condemn to oblivion the ultimate aim” of the 1988 popular movement for Karabakh’s reunification with Armenia.

                      “As president of both the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Armenia, Robert Kocharian repeatedly stated that the ultimate aim of the Karabakh settlement is the reunification of the two Armenian states,” said Soghomonian. “He who forgets this aim deludes himself and the people and jeopardizes Karabakh.”

                      “The real extent of the NKR’s integration with Armenia is now close to the confederate model, and we have complete integration in terms of security,” added the ex-president’s spokesman.

                      The remarks appeared to be an indirect attack on President Sarkisian as well. Kocharian has increasingly criticized the current Armenian government in recent months, stoking speculation about his intention to return to active politics.

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