Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

[Odysseus]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

Those self proclaimed nationalists make me chuckle. Trying to control peoples lives, such a silly idea. Who cares if someone is gay or straight or asexual? If it actually bothers you that much then dont be one. As far as the Law goes, why should anybody save for those who cant help themselves get special treatment? All citizens deserve equal treatment regardless of who or what they are.

[Haykakan]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

Those who are always blaming it on external influences seem to be searching for excuses for their behavior. Whether it was a result of Islamic or Russian influence, these are the attitudes of the average man in Armenia today (and some in the diaspora).

There are certainly Muslims and people "living in proximity" to Muslims that do not behave in this way. Let's confront these issues head-on and stop making excuses and broad generalizations.

I do not like making generalizations unless the generalization is actually accurate. If you observe the behaviour of some men in or from Hayastan or in or from the Arab countries you will notice many muslim influences. My friends father inlaw wont eat pork and he is from middle eastern country and his reasoning is the exact same as the muslims who do not eat pork. Many Hayastantis used to look down on women who drove a car and a married woman was often forbidden to leave the house wo her husbend. These are not soviet influences - they are muslim influences. Violence vs women has been a big problem in Armenia for a very long time but it was not discussed openly before. Now there is the whole gayphobia going around along with a good dose antiwesternization. While i detest some of the things the west has done and continues to do - i also see much value in western culture we armenians can learn from.As for gays well so long as they dont bother me then why should i bother them? Armenia is at the crossroads of civilizations- between east and west- between islam and chrystianity. It only makes sense that we have traits in our society which resemble all these things.

[Hakob]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

[QUOTE=Haykakan;338058]

Wow,that shows me how little contact I've had with any Armenians of any gender.
All the women in my family were shown complete and total respect by the men in my family and all people's I saw them come into contact with(not to mention us kids, for sure).
And I can remember several reasons(easily) for that.
(1)they were all very intelligent,(2)the way they carried themselves seemed to command respect,and (3)they wouldn't tolerate any less ,oh and(4)they would crush you with wonderful grace,reason, extremely swift wit and wisdom as well as enough venom to kill several whales.
Also every desired and sought and valued their input, both inside and outside the family and they had the ability to withhold that if ones conduct was not up to snuff.
I'm not familiar with the ?modern?russian(thug)influenced Armenian man though.
Thug & bigot seem similar in the Russian influence thing to me.
Artashes[/QU

Nah its the influence of the region which is predomenently muslim. Just listen to the likes of Gegev and Mos and you can clearly see how their attitudes resembles the culture they claim to detest. Living in proximity to the islamic world has rubbed off on armenians a number of ways and this is one example.

On top of that we must add 70 yrs of soviet anti family policies. In 1930's they decided that not only any religious beliefs but also the family allegiances have to be changed with allegiances to world proletariat and communism. And they pretty much destroyed the father, mother, husband and wife figures in people. Remember it was ecouraged for a pioneer child to be informant against their parents.
For 70 yrs there was no official structure or system in transfering traditional family values in people. Just like in everything the traditional relations between men and women were destroyed.
In the case of gey rights, I am happy that population in Armenia is behaving like a living organism, and as such, protesting and defending against any artificial infusions in it's body. I don't care if gey rights are accepted or not. As long as they are not financed and forced upon us. Everything must follow natural national identity restoration processes.

[Artashes]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

Those who are always blaming it on external influences seem to be searching for excuses for their behavior. Whether it was a result of Islamic or Russian influence, these are the attitudes of the average man in Armenia today (and some in the diaspora).

There are certainly Muslims and people "living in proximity" to Muslims that do not behave in this way. Let's confront these issues head-on and stop making excuses and broad generalizations.

No man in my family has been degrading to any women that didn't act dummer than a rock.
My comment about Russian influence on the contemporary Armenian was me expressing my lack of knowledge of both the conduct of men in Armenia and what I thought was Siggie's generalization.
Sorry Sig your experience with Armenian men sucks. Clearly you've met none of my family.
Artashes

[TomServo]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

Nah its the influence of the region which is predomenently muslim. Just listen to the likes of Gegev and Mos and you can clearly see how their attitudes resembles the culture they claim to detest. Living in proximity to the islamic world has rubbed off on armenians a number of ways and this is one example.

Those who are always blaming it on external influences seem to be searching for excuses for their behavior. Whether it was a result of Islamic or Russian influence, these are the attitudes of the average man in Armenia today (and some in the diaspora).

There are certainly Muslims and people "living in proximity" to Muslims that do not behave in this way. Let's confront these issues head-on and stop making excuses and broad generalizations.

[Haykakan]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

[QUOTE=Artashes;338053]Wow,that shows me how little contact I've had with any Armenians of any gender.
All the women in my family were shown complete and total respect by the men in my family and all people's I saw them come into contact with(not to mention us kids, for sure).
And I can remember several reasons(easily) for that.
(1)they were all very intelligent,(2)the way they carried themselves seemed to command respect,and (3)they wouldn't tolerate any less ,oh and(4)they would crush you with wonderful grace,reason, extremely swift wit and wisdom as well as enough venom to kill several whales.
Also every desired and sought and valued their input, both inside and outside the family and they had the ability to withhold that if ones conduct was not up to snuff.
I'm not familiar with the ?modern?russian(thug)influenced Armenian man though.
Thug & bigot seem similar in the Russian influence thing to me.
Artashes[/QU

Nah its the influence of the region which is predomenently muslim. Just listen to the likes of Gegev and Mos and you can clearly see how their attitudes resembles the culture they claim to detest. Living in proximity to the islamic world has rubbed off on armenians a number of ways and this is one example.

[Artashes]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

Quite so. I take quite a bit;most unfortunately of all, never so much so as from Armenian men who hypocritically think themselves to be chivalrous gentlemen.

Wow,that shows me how little contact I've had with any Armenians of any gender.
All the women in my family were shown complete and total respect by the men in my family and all people's I saw them come into contact with(not to mention us kids, for sure).
And I can remember several reasons(easily) for that.
(1)they were all very intelligent,(2)the way they carried themselves seemed to command respect,and (3)they wouldn't tolerate any less ,oh and(4)they would crush you with wonderful grace,reason, extremely swift wit and wisdom as well as enough venom to kill several whales.
Also every desired and sought and valued their input, both inside and outside the family and they had the ability to withhold that if ones conduct was not up to snuff.
I'm not familiar with the ?modern?russian(thug)influenced Armenian man though.
Thug & bigot seem similar in the Russian influence thing to me.
Artashes

[Vahram]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

Quite so. I take quite a bit;most unfortunately of all, never so much so as from Armenian men who hypocritically think themselves to be chivalrous gentlemen.

Or fake ones who post the following.

Indeed. We should continue to talk exclusively about a nearly century year old genocide

As if and may I quote again

to the exclusion of present day human rights issues within the country.

Very well! I guess in your world Genocide has no value in human rights in today's world! I mean with all the scared people from a heinous crime that still has no justice to this day. With all the stolen lands and an active blockade. Yet you still can’t even mange to find justice to an ongoing crime for you to be able to voice anything contemporary of any value.

Becuase some of us "chivalrous" want to know!

Care to say something smarter? Or would you like to use Mod Privileges again?

[Siggie]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

"If he felt his argument gave him half a leg to stand on, he'd be making it instead of making pathetic attempts at insulting me."
Cmon now- your a armenian woman-you should be used to taking insults by now.

Quite so. I take quite a bit;most unfortunately of all, never so much so as from Armenian men who hypocritically think themselves to be chivalrous gentlemen.

[Haykakan]

Re: Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia

"If he felt his argument gave him half a leg to stand on, he'd be making it instead of making pathetic attempts at insulting me."
Cmon now- your a armenian woman-you should be used to taking insults by now.