Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

[Kanki]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

you know i once got told Armenia was the first terrorist country

Because of ASALA they killed a lot of diplomats, however, Turkey recognized your country, before the many western countries, -collepse of Soviet Union


It is clearly there is a genocide, but something offends me, your people accuse all of Turks, and announce Turks as a murder. . . my father is a Turk, he lives in Ankara, in first war his older relationships fought to against French, Britons and Greeks, My family has no connection with the genocide. and I have no bad idea for Armenians. . . Your generalizations feel me sad

[xcelr8Armo]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

yes... Armenians did attack turks before 1915 but it was nothing close to a massacre

you know i once got told Armenia was the first terrorist country

[Anoush]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Of course they did. but there is Armenian attacks to Turks (provaceting and supported by Russians) before the 1915 and and begining of the 19. century. Why Russians are guilty to broken Turk-Armenian relations,and also germens are guilty for 1915 Armenian massacres

Anyway, you can not find a Turk (like me) accepts massacres. . .

Are you talking about freeing Van right after the Genocide? Armenians found shelter and the right to live under the Russian army's wings. If someone comes and kills your brother, your father, grandfathers and uncles; don't you go to finally and thankfully find shelter under an army who came about to protect you? Of course you do. In Van, the Armenians finally fought back to save themselves. And that was their right to live!!!!

In the Russian army, Armenians fought as they were the citizens of Russia. That was that. My own grandfather fought in the turkish army in the first WW against Russia. And much later he only found out that his whole family were annihilated by the turkish government (the attaturks); can you imagine how unbelievably saddened he was after hearing that horrible news?

My grandfather went to the turkish military school for two years before WWI and so he was a high ranking officer in the turkish army during WWI.

[Kanki]

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You are not thinking at all. After the attaturks systematically annihilated and committed a Genocide against the Armenians, how could anyone in the right mind object to a few survivors who wanted to fight back to save theirs or their kins' skins. It's like saying to an intruder to your house with a gun or a knife pointing at you and you not defending yourself. The courts, the jury and the judge will certainly be on the side of the defending party!!!!!

Of course they did. but there is Armenian attacks to Turks (provaceting and supported by Russians) before the 1915 and and begining of the 19. century. Why Russians are guilty to broken Turk-Armenian relations,and also germens are guilty for 1915 Armenian massacres

Anyway, you can not find a Turk (like me) accepts massacres. . .

[Anoush]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Yes there were massaceres made to innocent Armenians by the some Turkish generals (e.g. Talat Paşha, so the their soldiers did the commands), but also some Armenians killed Turks who were irrelevant with massacres. . .

You are not thinking at all. After the attaturks systematically annihilated and committed a Genocide against the Armenians, how could anyone in the right mind object to a few survivors who wanted to fight back to save theirs or their kins' skins. It's like saying to an intruder to your house with a gun or a knife pointing at you and you not defending yourself. The courts, the jury and the judge will certainly be on the side of the defending party!!!!! The guilty party is the intruder who came into your house with a gun or a knife pointing at you!!!!!!!

And how could a few Armenian survivors trust any turks after the Genocide, when everyone, including the kurds, the gendarmes and the criminals who were freed from the jails to attack every Armenian on sight, including children, old people and women. Mutilating them then killing them. Who could believe any turk or any kurd after that???????

[Kanki]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Yes there were massaceres made to innocent Armenians by the some Turkish generals (e.g. Talat Paşha, so the their soldiers did the commands), but also some Armenians killed Turks who were irrelevant with massacres. . .

[Anoush]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

I am all for turkey to be part of the EU. Why inclose the beast for it to look Eastwards when it can be dissipated Westwards? Let the people that back stabbed us enjoy the fruit of their making. There is nothing like having a border to the EU without being in its mess. People, think smart and let the beast be absorbed by others. Let them be part of the EU and I will be the first to piss on a kemal's portrait in ankara.

That's right!!!!!!!!!

The whole Christian white world looked the other way when the Genocide happened. My grandmother was an extremely wealthy man's daughter and a 19 year old beautiful newly bride already 3 months pregnant when in 1922 in Smirna the bloody attaturks continued their mass murders or rather the GENOCIDE, and her and her younger sister and brother escaped after sleeping under dead Armenians who were killed by the turks and continued to the sea when an Italian ship threw hot oil on them and on some of the survivors who wanted to save their life by crying to them to get into their ship; but they didn't and they threw hot oil on them.

In Cilicia, the then French government after the 1915 Genocide, have lured the Armenians' militia that if they fought then they will have Cilicia back to them again; all lies. The Armenians fought for more than three years, then the French government backed off their words and they gave the Armenians nothing. The French just wanted them to fight against the turks for their use, that was all. And they knew that those few survivors will do it as our people were practically annihilated already. And how the English government didn't care about anything but to get to Baku's oil. And we already know about the Germany's alliances with the turkish government and the German generals' inputs and their directing the attaturks how to commit the Genocide against the Christian minorities in turkey before 1915.

The two governments that I truly respect were the Greek and the Syrian governments. Greece have opened their doors to the Armenian survivors. They have given them the rights to their country and have given them shelters.

Also the Syrian governmental figures had a good heart and didn't follow Talaat's murderous orders. As the Syrian government were kind to the half dead Armenian survivors. They have given them the right to their country and the right to live.

[robertik1]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

I am all for turkey to be part of the EU. Why inclose the beast for it to look Eastwards when it can be dissipated Westwards? Let the people that back stabbed us enjoy the fruit of their making. There is nothing like having a border to the EU without being in its mess. People, think smart and let the beast be absorbed by others. Let them be part of the EU and I will be the first to piss on a kemal's portrait in ankara.

Couldnt agree more.

[Azad]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

I am all for turkey to be part of the EU. Why inclose the beast for it to look Eastwards when it can be dissipated Westwards? Let the people that back stabbed us enjoy the fruit of their making. There is nothing like having a border to the EU without being in its mess. People, think smart and let the beast be absorbed by others. Let them be part of the EU and I will be the first to piss on a kemal's portrait in ankara.

[lampron]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Turkey will not join the EU, at least in the foreseeable future, mainly due to 3 reasons.

1. The EU is an economic alliance in its nature. Membership is predetermined by the economic gains that the union could derive from the prospective member. Turkey's high rate of poverty, illiteracy and unemployment make it an unstable economic environment, that's why the potential benefits for the "brave new world" are negligent. Outsourcing and low labour cost in Turkey suit the EU just fine, in the framework of the "Partnership Policy", so why should they change it?

2. The number of votes cast in the European Parliament (the legislative body of the EU) per country, is a function of the size of the population of the Member State. With around 100 million, Turkey outsizes Germany (80 million). No one would give such power in their hands.

3. Turkey is NOT a European country.

All said, the decision about their prospective membership seems to be more economcal and practical in nature, than an ideological one.

Many EU strategic planners want the EU to project its power into the Middle East. That's why they want Turkey to join the EU. It's geopolitics. It doesn't even have to do whether Turkey is in Europe or not.

The Turks used to be in majority in favor. That has changed. Turkey has become stronger economically. Turkey does a huge amount of business with Ukraine/Russia/Belarus, central Asia, Balkans, Iraq, Syria, Saudi etc as well as countries like Nigeria, Pakistan, India, Indonesia. The EU is important, but many in Turkey argue they are better off outside it. Turks consider themselves to be a regional power.

The Cyprus question, Armenian genocide question, tension with Greece, the Kurdish question, the position of the military in Turkish politics - none are considered crucial to EU bosses like Javier Solana