The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

[Mos]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

....

Armenia cannot become customs union member
By Messenger Staff
Thursday, March 24
Armenia’s PM Tigran Sarkisian cannot join the Belarus-Kazakh-Russia customs union unless Georgia joins as well. Therefore Armenia will try to integrate with the European Union. Realistically Georgia will not join to this union and therefore, as Armenia has no land border to any of those countries, it will be technically impossible for Armenia to join the union. Tigran Sarkisian mentioned that there is no point in joining a customs union with a country with which you do not share a land border. The Armenian PM expressed his confidence that his country may become the member of a free trade relations agreement with EU countries.

[Armanen]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Too unpredictable to tell if the result would've necessarily been for the better for us. Tsar was both good and bad for us. After all, the Tsar had a lovely time confiscating Armenian church property, appointing anti-Armenian governors and stirring sh!t up between us and the Tartars.

True, but I'd be willing to bet that Russia would have transformed somehow, either a less radical revolutionary war or a civil war, and they would have retreated from parts of the Caucasus even. Assuming this happened after WWI, then Armenia would not have suffered nearly as many deaths due to the Genocide, and would probably be larger in terms of population and territory. I'm sure we'd all have liked to live under this historical scenero than the current one.

Fed, you and I might even live in the same city in Armenia in this alternate history

[Federate]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

If only the Tzar (ethnic Russians) remained in power, things would look so much different now for Armenia.

Too unpredictable to tell if the result would've necessarily been for the better for us. Tsar was both good and bad for us. After all, the Tsar had a lovely time confiscating Armenian church property, appointing anti-Armenian governors and stirring sh!t up between us and the Tartars.

[Mos]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

If only the Tzar (ethnic Russians) remained in power, things would look so much different now for Armenia.

It will be better for us when wealthy Russian-Armenians control the economy of Russia - that is already starting to become true.

[Tigranakert]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

If only the Tzar (ethnic Russians) remained in power, things would look so much different now for Armenia.

[KanadaHye]

Treaty of Moscow

How relevant is the Treaty of Moscow to international legal norms?

The Bolshevists did everything in their power to protect themselves against the East, and for the sake of it they sacrificed Armenia, that was of no value to the Kremlin rulers.

The upcoming Moscow visit of the Turkish delegation, headed by Prime Minister Erdogan, coincides with the 90th anniversary of the Treaty of Moscow, which put an end to the existence of Western Armenia. Whether it’s a coincidence or not, you can just guess. The fact is that hardly anything happens by chance in politics, and Erdogan is well aware on what day he arrives in Moscow.

March 11, 2011

PanARMENIAN.Net - The Treaty of Moscow is invalid in many aspects, the most important of them being that it was concluded between two unrecognized parties of international law: Kemalist Turkey and Bolshevist Russia. In 1921, Turkey was still called the Ottoman Empire and was ruled by Sultan Mehmed VI Wahid ed-din. Russia was then ruled by Bolshevists. The Turkish Republic, with which the Moscow Treaty was concluded, was proclaimed on Oct. 29, 1923. 90 years later all these “trifles” have been forgotten for some reason, and Armenia continues insisting on denunciation of the treaty that does not actually exist. International law, which Turkey and Azerbaijan so often refer to, should logically deprive the contract of efficacy. However, everything is exactly the other way round. Alas, the contract led to the international-legal outcome of the conquest and partition of the Republic of Armenia between the RSFSR, Turkey and Azerbaijan. At least, so it is perceived in our time. Even then, Turkey wanted to drive the last remaining Armenians out of their historical homeland; Russia saw in them undesirable elements.

The Bolshevists did everything in their power to protect themselves against the East, and for the sake of it they sacrificed Armenia that was of no value to the Kremlin rulers. “World Revolution” is a very convenient term for winning and acquisition of friends who you need at the moment; then they are no longer necessary. The main thing for Moscow was to support Ataturk. And it is exactly what she actually did! Five-million-ruble worth of gold and mountains of weapons were given to the “national liberation struggle of the Turkish people”. One just wonders against whom this “national liberation struggle” was led. You needn’t know much about eastern policy to understand that it was directed against the Christian population of the Ottoman Turkey, i.e. Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians. The massacre of 1922 in Izmir (Smyrna) and the re-exile of the Armenians returned from Cilicia were carried out on Russian money and with Russian weapons. In 1919, tens of thousands of Armenians from Syria, Lebanon and Palestine returned to Cilicia, where the French rule was being established on the basis of a mandate. For a while it seemed that protected by France, Cilicia would be able to become a state, completely independent of Turkey. Many Armenians, of course, remember the French-Armenian brotherhood arisen in Cilicia during the Crusades. Unfortunately, the experience of French government in Cilicia was doomed to short life and led to consequences, disastrous for the Armenian repatriates.

This is why one shouldn’t be surprised at the intimacy of Russian-Turkish relations. Turkey and Russia need each other and it will always be so. Let us not forget that at the time of the Armenian Genocide Russian diplomats in Constantinople hardly intervened in the “internal affairs” of the Young Turks. For Turkish investment Russia is a boundless territory and share of the Turkish capital in Russia is growing year by year. Turkish firms have a share in the construction of almost all of the major objects in Moscow and St. Petersburg. The Muslim factor should also be taken into account – there are 20-30 million Muslims living in Russia, this number rising continually.

Let’s recall another fact. On October 30, 1918 on board the HMS Agamemnon in Moudros harbor on the Greek island of Lemnos the Armistice of Moudros was signed. Under the armistice, the Black Sea straits were opened to Allied navies; the Allies were granted the right to occupy the forts controlling the Straits of Bosporus and Dardanelles; the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and withdrew them from Iran, Cilicia and the Caucasus; the Allies were also granted the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic point” in case of a threat to Allied security. Under these circumstances the Bolshevist Russia urgently needed an agreement with Turkey on any level, in order to neutralize the Entente, while Mustafa Kemal was in need of weapons and money.

What Putin and Erdogan will agree on at their upcoming meeting is not so important and interesting. The main thing for Armenia is that this agreement should not cause great harm. Russia is now trying to control resolution of problems in the Caucasus, which also includes normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations. However, hardly is it possible that Moscow will be able to set the process in motion. Too many are the totally unsolvable problems proceeding from Turkey.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world...al_legal_norms

[londontsi]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/28/uk-russia-satellite-launch-idUSLNE71R02F20110228

Russia launches navigation system satellite


(Reuters) - Russia launched on Saturday one of the final satellites needed to complete a space-based navigation system, which Moscow hopes will challenge the dominant U.S. Global Positioning System GPS.L.

The satellite, Glonass-K, which was launched shortly after 06:00 local time (0300 GMT), reached orbit, said Aleksei Zolotukhin, spokesman for the Defence Ministry's space forces.

The entry of the space craft into space "went according to plan. Steady telemetric communications have been established with the space craft," he said.

After the embarrassing loss of three satellites last year, two more are expected to be launched in 2011 to complete the $2 billion project that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has said will give Russia "satellite navigation sovereignty".

Moscow is hoping the navigation technology Glonass will create a revolution in domestic consumer technology, with applications expected to be used in mobile telephones and automobiles.

Three Glonass satellites launched in December last year veered off course and crashed into the Pacific Ocean near Hawaii, costing Moscow around $160 million and setting the programme back an estimated six month.

Without Glonass, Russia's military fears that it is at the mercy of the United States, which it says could block or blur its GPS signal in a time of crisis -- allegations which were rife during a brief 2008 war between Georgia and Russia.

[Mos]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Sargsyan recently visited Medvedev. Look at this picture, as you see Medvedev is sitting by the Armenian flag, and Sargsyan by the Russian. I have been reading that this is a politically significant move, to show the close relations between both countries.

[arakeretzig]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110224/162739409.html

Russia's Defense Ministry announced plans on Thursday to buy 100 ships, over 600 aircraft and 1,000 helicopters under a 2011-2020 arms procurement program.

Russia will buy 10 complexes of new generation S-500 air defense systems, which will replace the S-400 systems currently used by the Russian troops, said First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin, who is in charge of arms procurement.

Russia plans to purchase more than 100 helicopters this year, including Mi-26 Halo heavy transport helicopters, Mi-28 Night Hunters and Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters.

Russia's Defense Ministry submitted the 19 trillion ruble ($651 billion) arms procurement spending plan for 2011-2020 to the government in December. Some 80% of the funds will be spent on buying weapons and 10% will be spent on scientific research.

The official confirmed earlier reports that Russia will buy two Mistral ships from France, while two other models of the ships will be built under license in Russia.

Russia is planning to build eight strategic nuclear submarines by 2020 and equip them with Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missiles, which are expected to be put into service this year.

Russia also plans to develop new heavy ballistic missiles to replace Soviet-era SS-18 Satan and SS-20 Saber ICBMs, Popovkin said.

[Armanen]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

This "report" is for internal consumption of Eastern Europian countries, "DONT FEAR THE BOOGY MAN TO THE EAST, HE'S NOT THAT STRONG..."


But in all fairness, I thought Russia's performance in Georgia was far from perfect. They did lack in communication, specially between RuAF and the ground forces, BUT overall the response time of the invasion, and execution of order of battle was good.
And the lack of night vision equipment for 58th army was embarrassing...

It's a safe bet that Russia has worked on many of these issues, and if they are not fixed by now they will be within the next 2-4 years. Also, if we are the believe some accounts, Russia was just as unprepared for sakasvilli's decision to attack as the West was.