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  • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

    «Երկիրն Այսօր»-ի հյուրն է Արմեն Այվազյանը: Թեման՝ հայ-թուրքական հակամարտության շուրջ ընթացող վերջին զարգացումները: http://blog.ararat-center.org/?p=101
    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

    Նժդեհ


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    • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

      Originally posted by seruven
      Come on, the nationalist Turks that threaten you didn't do such things, either. You are able to make distinction between the past and present, right?
      The nationalist Turks of today not only downplay but approve of what happened to Armenians in the genocide. If they acknowledged the past and made the distinction between themselves and their forefathers then that would be a start. But they do the complete opposite (not all Turks, just the millions and millions of nationalists, including the government). And they have the military power to make these threats a potential reality. They also back the militarist regime in Azerbaijan, which has made a habit of threatening Armenia's national existence. They have systematic government programs for denying the genocide and eradicating Armenian history. They also have Armenia blockaded and in a state of virtual siege.

      Basically the Turkish government has done everything short of direct military action.



      Originally posted by seruven
      You say some Azeris claim that Yerevan is a part of Azerbaijan. I don't know if this is their state policy and whether they are serious or not. But as long as, it's a claim of some radical Azeris, don't bother with such things. I may have claims over Palo Alto (due to special interest in the economics department of Stanford University), but who cares??
      We should stay firm against all these lunatic extremists independent of their nationalities.

      You're obviously not aware, but its not the claim of some random extremists, but its claimed by the government, including king Aliyev:


      And Turkey gives unconditional support to this regime whether its militarily, economically or politically.

      As I said, the threat of extremists is much more real for Armenians than for Turks.

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      • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

        Originally posted by Armanen View Post
        Let me ask you seruven, do you accept and recognize that Armenians were systimatically killed by the ottoman/young turk government starting in 1915?
        I’m a Turk.
        Well, I don’t know how is it possible to say that I’m a Turk! The faces I saw on the pictures from Central Asia are completely different than my people. One of my grandmothers is from Samsun and the other is from Diyarbakir –and she was Kurd. My one grandfather was Circassian and the other was from Caucasian and both were blond with blue eyes. The situation is almost same for everybody I know in this country. It might be better to call myself as an “Anatolian”.

        If Armanen is waiting an answer to his question, yes Ottoman rulers during the WWI systematically relocated Armenian population as they perceived a threat from Armenian rebels who were seeking independence and on this way they were supporting Russian Army. But there is no doubt that the decision taken by Enver, Talat and his gang was bull xxxx and the result was a disaster. Thousands and thousands of innocent people, women, children and elders lost their lives on the way due to hunger, diseases and attacks of bloody gangs. It is a shame and I apologize from all Armenian friends who lost their ancestors in this tragedy.

        But meantime I believe that you cannot solve any problem with hate. Hate will call hate. Asking respect and excuse is completely different than asking land! It is true that a lot of Armenian families lost their homes and land during that tragedy but the land they lost was a part of Ottoman State, not State of Armenia or State of Kurdistan.

        Personally, I’m ready to welcome any Armenian who wants to return Anatolia. I’ll be happy to see multi-culture. I’ll be happy to share the same life and same destiny. But this must be in the Republic of Turkey, not in the Republic of Armenia. I’m ready to fight till the last drop of my blood to keep my country in unity.

        A part of the forum participants are supporting the idea of keeping the doors between Turkey and Armenia closed. They are opportunists and they can not put a set front of flooding water. More than 50.000 Armenian mothers and sisters are working already in Turkey to support their families in Armenia. Direct contact of two nations will help a lot to solve problems. We do not need hate. We need bread and we need “Kardas”.

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        • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

          Enver Pasha was a Gagauz, and Talat pasha was an Albanian

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          • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

            On a lighter note...

            *************************

            To Restore The Picture Of Mount Ararat On The Logo



            Opening yesterday's press conference with the topic on changing the emblem of the Football Federation of Armenia, ROUBEN HAYRAPETYAN, Head of the Football Federation, admitted that he had made a wrong step, assumed the responsibility for that and made a public apology to his compatriots. "There has been an omission or lapse. I admit my mistake to the full and correcting it, I apologize to our football society, all those who disapproved of my step and were dissatisfied with it," Head of the Football Association of Armenia announced. He also informed the participants that they have announced a new contest for the emblem of the Federation, and one of their requirements is presence of Mount Ararat on the logo.

            Source: http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg246559.html
            Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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            • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

              Originally posted by Anatolia View Post
              I’m a Turk.
              Well, I don’t know how is it possible to say that I’m a Turk! The faces I saw on the pictures from Central Asia are completely different than my people. One of my grandmothers is from Samsun and the other is from Diyarbakir –and she was Kurd. My one grandfather was Circassian and the other was from Caucasian and both were blond with blue eyes. The situation is almost same for everybody I know in this country. It might be better to call myself as an “Anatolian”.

              If Armanen is waiting an answer to his question, yes Ottoman rulers during the WWI systematically relocated Armenian population as they perceived a threat from Armenian rebels who were seeking independence and on this way they were supporting Russian Army. But there is no doubt that the decision taken by Enver, Talat and his gang was bull xxxx and the result was a disaster. Thousands and thousands of innocent people, women, children and elders lost their lives on the way due to hunger, diseases and attacks of bloody gangs. It is a shame and I apologize from all Armenian friends who lost their ancestors in this tragedy.

              But meantime I believe that you cannot solve any problem with hate. Hate will call hate. Asking respect and excuse is completely different than asking land! It is true that a lot of Armenian families lost their homes and land during that tragedy but the land they lost was a part of Ottoman State, not State of Armenia or State of Kurdistan.

              Personally, I’m ready to welcome any Armenian who wants to return Anatolia. I’ll be happy to see multi-culture. I’ll be happy to share the same life and same destiny. But this must be in the Republic of Turkey, not in the Republic of Armenia. I’m ready to fight till the last drop of my blood to keep my country in unity.

              A part of the forum participants are supporting the idea of keeping the doors between Turkey and Armenia closed. They are opportunists and they can not put a set front of flooding water. More than 50.000 Armenian mothers and sisters are working already in Turkey to support their families in Armenia. Direct contact of two nations will help a lot to solve problems. We do not need hate. We need bread and we need “Kardas”.
              Although you can't muster the up the honesty to call what happened to the Armenians what it was (Genocide) and you lack the conviction to advocate even the least bit of justice for the Turkey's crime (besides "lets not hate" and "I welcome Armenians back to 'Anatolia'" }, I suppose you would like applause, or possibly a medal for your comments.

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              • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                A. You are a turk because you identify with the nation of turks and their language and culture. However, bloodwise you may not have any turkic blood at all. This is common among many turks from the west of they country who are more likely to have Caucasoid blood.

                B. Anatolian is a bulls*it political term which turks like to use, maybe out of self hate or more likely because they persume they will thus have more of a "claim" to lands usurped from their rightful owners.

                C. A very small minority of Armenians were actively supporting the Russians, if more had, they would not have marched like sheep to the deserts of Syria and slaughtered in cold blood.

                D. Armenia not only has moral and historical claim over so called eastern turkey, but also legal i.e. Treaty of Sevres.

                E. You may be happy to see turkey be a multi culturist state, but your government barely allows kurds to call themselves kurds, remember they used to be "mountain turks", and continues to instill the idea that all people within the borders of turkey are turks, unless they are members of the Armenian Apostolic, Greek orthodox or xxxish faiths.

                F. Armenia will get back its lands, one way or another, most likely through war. So you may have to shed your blood.

                G. There is no excuse for non turkish born Armenians, like those from Armenia, to go to turkey and work there, none! So I do not recognize them as Armenian. And 50,000 is a bit overblown fyi.

                H. It would be a national security threat for Armenia to open its borders with turkey without first conducting a complete analysis of economic/social/political effects of open borders upon Armenia.
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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                • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                  Originally posted by Armanen View Post

                  D. Armenia not only has moral and historical claim over so called eastern turkey, but also legal i.e. Treaty of Sevres.
                  Wrong.

                  "Treaty of Lausanne" invalidated "Treaty of Sevres".

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                  • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                    Are you from Uzbekistan?

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                    • Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                      Originally posted by Armenian View Post
                      On a lighter note...

                      *************************

                      To Restore The Picture Of Mount Ararat On The Logo



                      Opening yesterday's press conference with the topic on changing the emblem of the Football Federation of Armenia, ROUBEN HAYRAPETYAN, Head of the Football Federation, admitted that he had made a wrong step, assumed the responsibility for that and made a public apology to his compatriots. "There has been an omission or lapse. I admit my mistake to the full and correcting it, I apologize to our football society, all those who disapproved of my step and were dissatisfied with it," Head of the Football Association of Armenia announced. He also informed the participants that they have announced a new contest for the emblem of the Federation, and one of their requirements is presence of Mount Ararat on the logo.

                      Source: http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg246559.html
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