When we get East Anatolia back...

[Էլիա]

Re: When we get East Anatolia back...

I'm quite aware of the extremist element in Turkish society. But if you're going to give the impression that Armenians are hostile to everything Turkish, the moderates in their society, whether they like it or not, will have to side with the extremists. If you only oppose the extremists, the only ones opposing you will be the extremists, and everyone around the world including those within Turkish society will believe you because they will see who the real fanatics are. Turkish society isn't one homogenous group, but the extreme nationalists, since they have the support of the army, get to bully everyone else around, including a significant portion (maybe even the majority) of the population who consider themselves Muslims before Turks.

If we go about it this way, then our enemies will be much fewer.

Could you rephrase what you said, because I didn't really understand it.

[ArmSurvival]

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Ya no problem. If Armenians are hostile to all Turks and everything thats Turkish, then the people in Turkey who sympathize with us (there are many), will have to, whether they like it or not, side with the extreme nationalists against an anti-Turkish force (us).

But if our rhetoric only targets Turkish extremists, the only ones opposing us will be the extremists within Turkish society. The average Turk will not see us as anti-Turkish, and will not have a reason to stand up against us. If you attack Turkish identity rather than Turkish policy, you will unite all Turks under a common cause.

[Iranianazeri]

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Ya no problem. If Armenians are hostile to all Turks and everything thats Turkish, then the people in Turkey who sympathize with us (there are many), will have to, whether they like it or not, side with the extreme nationalists against an anti-Turkish force (us).

But if our rhetoric only targets Turkish extremists, the only ones opposing us will be the extremists within Turkish society. The average Turk will not see us as anti-Turkish, and will not have a reason to stand up against us. If you attack Turkish identity rather than Turkish policy, you will unite all Turks under a common cause.

That's correct. Not all turks supports turkeys racist ethnical cleansing policy. Look at Orhan Pamuk

Btw, I haven't really read this thread, but does anyone really seriously demand Anatolia back? The area is actually inhabited by kurds, not turks.

And I almost think, not having anatolia is better. Modern armenia = europe. Anatolia = Asia? Do you understand what I mean? EU.

[Iranianazeri]

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I googled some about the genocide, and I don't really now much about it. But undoubtedly, it was an ethnical cleansing. I found this: http://www.theforgotten.org/

The site has been hacked buy turk extremists. I wan't to ask you guys something, read this:

Everybody must know that reality “We are grandchildren of Ottoman Empire and children of Turkey“. At the first, we never disrespected to your religions, languages, life styles nearly 700 years under the control of Ottoman Empire and you lived in freely. You have never researched the history which includes thousands years of Turks and you charge Turks with genocide of Armenians. The reality is Armenians killed lots of Turks, murdered babies; bayoneted pregnant women … All of them are available in registrations and documents. In this position Turks naturally defended their selves and fought against to Armenians.

What's your comments?

[Էլիա]

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But if our rhetoric only targets Turkish extremists...

Exactly how do we do this?

[Էլիա]

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I googled some about the genocide, and I don't really now much about it. But undoubtedly, it was an ethnical cleansing. I found this: http://www.theforgotten.org/

The site has been hacked buy turk extremists. I wan't to ask you guys something, read this:




What's your comments?

I think that the Turks who agree with the "retarded hacker" are bas**rds, because their attempts of blocking the truth show how well they know that they are lying... The information the hacker gave was full of sh*t.

[Iranianazeri]

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I think that the Turks who agree with the "retarded hacker" are bas**rds, because their attempts of blocking the truth show how well they know that they are lying... The information the hacker gave was full of sh*t.

I don't like internet terrorism. I believe in freedom of speach.

But I'm not really familiar with the armenian-turk conflict. Was there a war between them? I'm not saying that it would make the ethnical cleansing ok though, don't misinterpret me.

[Էլիա]

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I don't like internet terrorism. I believe in freedom of speach.

But I'm not really familiar with the armenian-turk conflict. Was there a war between them? I'm not saying that it would make the ethnical cleansing ok though, don't misinterpret me.

If Armenians trying to defend themselves from the Turks coming to destroy them is war, then yes, it was war.

[Iranianazeri]

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If Armenians trying to defend themselves from the Turks coming to destroy them is war, then yes, it was war.

Hm, of course I didn't mean it like that. That kind of self defence doesn't make it war in which the turks "defended themselves", something they wrote in the site they hacked.

[Էլիա]

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Hm, of course I didn't mean it like that. That kind of self defence doesn't make it war in which the turks "defended themselves", something they wrote in the site they hacked.

Instead of reexplaining what I have stated in the past, I'll just copy a long explanation of the Armenian genocide and the explanations for the Turks' "rebuttals"... (by the way, this post isn't directed toward you, so there may be some things that aren't related to our topic...)

Even if it is true that Turks were being killed during WW1, it didn't have to necessarily be Armenians and if it was, like I said millions of times, it's because of protection or from unfair treatment. There's a difference between calling something a terror and calling something a genocide, OK? And the "Armenian Terror" or whatever you want to call it, was caused by the Armenian Genocide or caused by events before that, for example unfair treatment, which brings me to my next rebuttle. The unfair taxes and rights I'm talking about (and no, they weren't only in 1915) are the extra taxes the minorities (like Greeks and Armenians) received for being Christian and being a minority and not being Turkish, etc. The unfair rights is pretty much the same cause (different religion and culture). The Armenians lived with this, until the taxes and unfair treatment increased when Greece became independent from the Ottoman Empire. Because of this loss of land, the Ottoman Empire knew that it had to stick with Anatolia at all costs. Then, there was a commonly accepted belief that the Christians were against the Muslims (which wasn't true) which caused stricter conditions for Armenians, and led to violence. Then, when the government saw that there were Armenians with the Russians in the war, it became outraged. But, the genocide began before this even, because the Turks already wanted to get rid of the Armenians to link the Ottoman Empire with Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, etc. and create a huge Turkish empire. But, the Armenians' alliance with the Russians added to the cause for the genocide. So, the Turkish government first gathered all the young Armenian men to "help in the war", but then the Turkish officials took away their weapons so that they would die. This eliminated the strong men. Then, the Turks arrested all the intelligent Armenians and killed them in April 24, 1915. This eliminated all the leaders. Now, all that remained were the old men, women, and children. Since only these remained, it made it easier for the Turks to eliminate them. So, the Turkish officials began telling the Armenians that they had to be "relocated" to a different place, and they started being deported into the desert, where many Armenians died from the journey, the massacres, from hiding in the sand, from drowning themselves in the Euphrates River to escape the torture , etc. But, there were villages that tried to fight back by rebelling, which might be part of the "Armenian Terror", and some villages won. Anyway, the Armenians also asked for help from Europeans by telling them that they were Christians in need of help, which might add to the "discrimination of Muslims" the Turks keep complaining about. Anyway, this is the Armenian Genocide, and the recently mentioned "Turkish Genocide" will never be accepted or even considered to be accepted! The Armenian Genocide is already recognized in newspapers, like the LA Times, it is beginning to become a part of 10th grade World History, it is recognized by many countries and most of the US states, and soon, it will be recognized by the US as a whole. The only reason the US is procrastinating is because of the relations with Turkey and how important it is, but that's just unfair and will be fixed soon enough. I rest my case. Thank you.