Armenian Georgian Relations

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

My problem is not really Turkish-Georgian relations, it's Georgian Azeri relations that serve as a threat against us.

Everytime the topic of georgian-armenian relations come up, I have to put up this foto

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Eddo211- oh we are enemies? we must close the borders with armenia? dumass
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You would close it if you could just to please your Turkish brothers, however Russia would rape your azz if you did it, especially after the little spanking you just got.
Where were your allies then?

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

You would close it if you could just to please your Turkish brothers, however Russia would rape your azz if you did it, especially after the little spanking you just got.
Where were your allies then?

Exactly, your western allies left you to alone to the Russians, some allies.....of course US/NATO want to have good relations with Russia, which is much more important than small Georgia. How did it feel when Russia was at NATO summit, and they were announcing closer relations, while saakashvili kissed NATO's ass so much but NATO just left Georgia to rot, and refuse to offer Georgia membership? If Russia annexed your whole country, even then West wouldn't lift a finger.

[georgia]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Mos-you are only man in this forum who know the real cost of our friendship you are good man
so joseph if we will do this 7 things there is the guarantee that armenia did not start the war for javakheti... there is the example nagorno-karabaghi...
our allies in the war 2008 were with us. what you think why russia did not get in tbilisi? because nato turkey and usa in 2008 they were with us... what was russians achieve in the 2008? nothing because in abkhazeti and samachablo before the war there were the troops there... so in georgia is noT such difficult situation, such you think armenians.
in summer of 2010 in black sea resort in georgia were 250 000 thousand armenian tourist

[Joseph]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Mos-you are only man in this forum who know the real cost of our friendship you are good man
so joseph if we will do this 7 things there is the guarantee that armenia did not start the war for javakheti... there is the example nagorno-karabaghi...

If Georgia did those 7 things relations would be normal. It's not even asking for much, just to treat others as you yourselves want to be treated.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Well Joseph, you saw what they did to their Ossetian minority during the 2008 war, I highly doubt they are going to respect minority rights, except of course Muslim Azeris/Turks who will be glorified in Georgia.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Mos-you are only man in this forum who know the real cost of our friendship you are good man
so joseph if we will do this 7 things there is the guarantee that armenia did not start the war for javakheti... there is the example nagorno-karabaghi...

I'm fine with friendship with you guys, we shouldn't be enemies, but with your alliance and attachment to Azerbaijan it's very hard to be close friends. And also our alliance with Russia, as Russia is a very important country to us, and guarantees our security and is the main weapons supplier for our armies.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Armenia, Georgia: Baking Bread, Building Understanding
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January 21, 2011 - 9:44am, by Marianna Grigoryan

They may differ sharply at times over language origins, territory, churches, viticulture and more, but, at last, Georgia and Armenia have found one point on which they can agree -- a passion for puri, as traditional Georgian, clay-baked bread is known in Yerevan.

It is, however, no passing inclination. And Georgian bakers appear to be taking note. Attracted by high salaries, many bakers are beginning to migrate to Armenia to share their puri [pronounced “poo-ree”] know-how.

In the West, where international foods easily mix and mingle, this development might seem less than revolutionary. But in the Caucasus, where national food boundaries are often as jealously guarded as geographical boundaries, the phenomenon suggests a potential for change – one loaf of puri (the general Georgian word for bread) at a time.

“When they invited me to work in Armenia, it was a very unusual idea for me,” commented 34-year-old Bakari Bodaveli, a Tbilisi baker who moved to Yerevan about eight months ago. He stretches dough out on a shovel and leans into a 1.5-meter-deep, circular tone [pronounced “ton-AY”], a clay Georgian bread oven, to apply the dough along its walls. “I had never been here and couldn’t imagine [the life here]. Now, I’m getting used to everything.”

That includes the language. Customers and deliverymen cry out “Barev, Bakari!” (“Hello, Bakari!”), as Bodaveli removes the long, pointed loaves of bread – known in Georgian as shotis puri -- from the oven and places them to cool on the slatted wooden shelves typical of Georgian bakeries.

The restaurant that invited Bodaveli rented an apartment in downtown Yerevan for the baker and pays him roughly about $1,000 per month for working 14-hours a day -- unheard-of riches compared with the lari-equivalent of $20-$24 per day Bodaveli said he earned in Tbilisi. “Here they pay me so much that I can even save money, which I couldn’t afford to do in Georgia,” he said.

Baking bread within Georgia is as much an art as baguettes are within France. Not to be approximated. And not to be wrapped in cellophane or dosed with preservatives, dyes or what one puri baker loosely terms “vitamins.”

That lack of preservatives means that puri has a short shelf life – less than a day -- but most Georgians see daily trips to the neighborhood tone as no time burden. Within Georgian culture, bread is “an object of reverence,” wrote Gastronomica Editor Darra Goldstein, a culinary researcher, in her landmark 1993 study on Georgian cuisine, The Georgian Feast.

That reverence for puri now appears to have traveled to Yerevan.

“When you look at puri, it seems to call to you," enthused 59-year-old shop assistant Anush Poghosian, who works at a Georgian bakery in Yerevan. Poghosian claimed that, to keep up with demand, some 30 bakeries now sell purportedly Georgian bread (for about 200-230 drams or 55-64 cents per loaf) in the Yerevan district, Arabkir, where she works.

The Yerevan city government does not make distinctions for business registrations by Georgian bakeries, but estimates that “several times” the official number of 30 puri bakeries opened in the Armenian capital last year. “The number of Georgian bakeries has increased continuously . . . It is really noticeable,” commented Armen Sargsyan, head of the city government’s trade and services department.

Shoppers say that the salt used in Georgian bread explains part of its appeal, by contrast with the saltless taste of Armenian lavash, or flatbread, and other varieties. It is usually bought straight out of the oven, adding warmth to the appeal as well.

“The only bread we buy is puri,” said one woman buying Georgian bread from a tiny shop near a central market in Yerevan. “Of course, our lavash is also very popular and tasty, but my children prefer puri.”

To many Armenians, more accustomed to seeing people leaving Armenia for work than moving there, the phenomenon is also a source of pride.

For the Georgian government, though, the question might be whether the puri Armenian shoppers are buying is the real thing.

In a bid to crackdown on rampant post-Soviet imitations of Georgian khachapuri, a tangy, cheese-filled pastry, the Georgian Ministry of Agriculture last year moved to adopt the European Union’s Traditional Specialty Guaranteed trademark protection system, which would introduce internationally recognized certifications for Georgian food items, based on their ingredients and preparation techniques.

The Ministry did not respond to questions from EurasiaNet.org about Armenia’s puri popularity craze in time for publication.

Meanwhile, one roaming puri baker from Tbilisi – last posting: Kyiv – says he is happy to go wherever puri’s popularity takes him.

“It was difficult to find a job in Georgia, and I’m happy here, “ said Misha Markosian, a 30-year-old Georgian-Armenian who bakes puri for a shop near Yerevan’s Barekamutiun subway station. “I . . earn money to support my family, and my customers appreciate my work.”

Whether in Tbilisi or Yerevan, little more is required for job satisfaction than that, puri bakers say.
Editor's note:
Marianna Grigoryan is a freelance reporter in Yerevan and the editor-in-chief of MediaLab.am.

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[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Can't they just google a recipe for Georgian Puri bread instead of migrating someone from Georgia to make it? I mean it's bread... not rocket science

[gegev]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Armenia, Georgia: Baking Bread, Building Understanding
http://www.eurasianet.org/sites/eura...y/012111_2.jpg
January 21, 2011 - 9:44am, by Marianna Grigoryan

They may differ sharply at times over language origins, territory, churches, viticulture and more, but, at last, Georgia and Armenia have found one point on which they can agree -- a passion for puri, as traditional Georgian, clay-baked bread is known in Yerevan.
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Nice subject Federate!

The matter is on what subject we concentrate our attention. There are hundreds of occasions during the course of history that we collaborated with Georgians successfully. But some people may alienate us radically, using today’s Armenia's weak points.

Do you imagine what will happen if the war against Iran starts. Who will be target #1 for Iranians, if US attacks Iran? Iran wouldn’t attack Azeri or Turkey immediately, because jointly they are strong enough and they are Muslim countries. So they will attack another US fore post in Caucasus as a revenge.

Who can convince them to stop or ease the attack in this region– Armenia together with Russia!

World is dynamic, geopolitical situation may change and the good neighbors always will be treated appropriately during their tough times.