Elections in Armenia

[Haykakan]

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That link you posted has good info more people should read. I teach some of this in my classroom and the wideeyed reactions it draws are pretty indicative of how ignorent the american public is about its own situation.

I agree with you, we need to fix the "oligarch" issue eventually. We can do that by evolving Armenia's social and business climate over the coming decades slow and steady. Just like we need to rebuild Armenia's infrastructure, agricultural productivity, and even some of our social values in order to weed out corruption and other backwards and selfish mentalities. Remember societies tend to be accurate reflections of the individual citizens who make them. This will all take time and hard work: Rome wasn't built in a day. Violent revolutions will never solve this issue, it will only set back any progress that's been made over the years, and risk the collapse of Armenia.

And everyone needs to remember: there is corruption in every country. If anyone is interested, I recommend this eye-opening six-part report on the oligarchs of America. Western oligarchs make Armenia's oligarchs seem like two-bit pickpockets by comparison! http://ampedstatus.com/full-report-t...es-of-america/

[Sarkis86]

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Thank you Artashes and Haykakan. To be fair, I learned a lot of the things I wrote from the former member "Armenian" who used to post on HyeClub. Including the link and critical analysis of Armenian society.

Artashes, I appreciate the kind words and support. It looks like you aren't as "angry" as I sound on my posts, but we both want the same thing and we both see many of the lies the powers that be are trying to sell us.

Haykakan, you can usually find interesting articles about corruption, globalization and crimes of the western oligarcht at http://www.globalresearch.ca

[Vahram]

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corruption, globalization and crimes of the western oligarcht at

To be more graphic look at the link below. It will illustrate the extent of the Western Oligarchs. Next time someone speaks of Armenians in this fashion I will have a long laugh at them.

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html

The crimes being done have never been accomplished in the history of mankind before. This is a huge theft never before seen, and will lead to a great suffering yet to come. So much for the Hotel in Armenia...LOL

[Federate]

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Paruyr Hayrikyan shot two times and wounded!! http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/24889743.html

[Federate]

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Why the hell would anyone shoot Paruyr Hayrikyan... the guy's a threat to nobody. His life's out of danger, said to be recovering.

[Artashes]

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Thank you Artashes and Haykakan. To be fair, I learned a lot of the things I wrote from the former member "Armenian" who used to post on HyeClub. Including the link and critical analysis of Armenian society.

Artashes, I appreciate the kind words and support. It looks like you aren't as "angry" as I sound on my posts, but we both want the same thing and we both see many of the lies the powers that be are trying to sell us.

Haykakan, you can usually find interesting articles about corruption, globalization and crimes of the western oligarcht at http://www.globalresearch.ca

They killed most of my family-- kill also means torture ---
I think your comment on quantifying my anger has been miss calculated .
I personally think this next point is extremely important --- if my anger ( HATRED ) , extreme HATRED is directed toward other Armenians or our honest supporters ( including J- ews ) we won't need any hominoid turks to tear us apart .
My attempted metered reflections on contrary thoughts to mine are my way to understand other ernest people's ligitimate right to have their --- own --- perspective .
Of all thie incredibly important things we Armenians need to do , argueing and fighting and hating amongst ourselves is not one of them .
And belittleing other fellow Armenians will do more to tear us apart . That's the same as helping turks !!!!!!!
We need to learn how to come to the table and discuss with intensity and great purpose without calling each other name , brother.
Artashes

[Sarkis86]

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Why the hell would anyone shoot Paruyr Hayrikyan... the guy's a threat to nobody. His life's out of danger, said to be recovering.

Good question. It doesn't seem like something the Sarkisyan administration would do: Serj is essentially guaranteed to win next month's election, he wouldn't move against someone like Hayrikyan who is polling less than one percent. It would be utterly senseless. Serj is a skilled chess player and has shown himself to be a far-sighted political strategist, he would know that his administration would take flack for it from the general public, and he'd only be giving the Armenia-haters at armenianow and azatutyun.am ammunition against him. In fact, regardless of the truth the foreign-funded "opposition" press will have a field day trying to use this to bash Armenia.

Let's look at the possibilities:

-false flag attack by Hayrikyan's western backers in order to rally people against the "criminal regime" in Yerevan.

-Hayrikyan's western backers felt he outlived his usefulness to their interests or were afraid he would start talking about the wrong things.

-The Russians got fed up with Hayrikyan's persistent anti-Russian rhetoric and decided to make an example out of him (although if that were the case Hayrikyan would have been killed, not wounded).

-Hayrikyan got involved with some "mafia"-wannabe businessman or local politicians and then things went sour.

-Some personal, village-style feud between Hayrikyan and whoever ordered him shot.

-I can't think of any other scenario. It is almost impossible that it was a random act of violence because: a) Armenia is actually a very, very safe country apart from political and "business" violence and petty pickpockets; and b) political figures don't get shot by coincidence.

This should be an interesting development. Watch for (or more accurately watch-out-for) the western-funded "opposition" media and even Hayrikyan himself using this event to try to take cheap shots against the government and use it to agitate the masses closer to another rebellion.

This may be a good opportunity for the Armenian Police and National Security Service to initiate a thorough investigation of Hayrikyan's activities and his political connections, and expose to the world everything and everyone he was involved with that may have led to him getting shot.

[Sarkis86]

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They killed most of my family-- kill also means torture ---
I think your comment on quantifying my anger has been miss calculated .
I personally think this next point is extremely important --- if my anger ( HATRED ) , extreme HATRED is directed toward other Armenians or our honest supporters ( including J- ews ) we won't need any hominoid turks to tear us apart .
My attempted metered reflections on contrary thoughts to mine are my way to understand other ernest people's ligitimate right to have their --- own --- perspective .
Of all thie incredibly important things we Armenians need to do , argueing and fighting and hating amongst ourselves is not one of them .
And belittleing other fellow Armenians will do more to tear us apart . That's the same as helping turks !!!!!!!
We need to learn how to come to the table and discuss with intensity and great purpose without calling each other name , brother.
Artashes

I'm sorry to hear about your family Artashes.

I must respectfully disagree with you about the need for Armenian's to stop "fighting among ourselves". There is always a need for unity and civilized dialogue, but if there is an "Armenian" in the community who is working for turkish and azeri interests, we need to call that person out loudly and aggressively. That is a threat to our national security.

If it is an internal question such as "what's better for our economy? Laissez-faire capitalism or Socialism", or "what should Armenia's position be on the China-Tibet or North Korea-South Korea issue" or "should Armavia be nationalized or sold to foreign investors", or "should Armenia allow unlimited abortions, or should they be banned, or limited to the first trimester of pregnancy and require that the father also consent and the mother be shown sonograms and photos of the developing child before the decision can be made" then civilized debates and arguments are the only acceptable means for progress and the development of ideas. But, as is true in every country, treasonous behavior that puts the continued existence of the country at risk needs to be attacked and destroyed, especially when those ideas are being directed from outside.

Those are just my thoughts on the issue, to help people understand where I'm coming from...

[Artashes]

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I'm sorry to hear about your family Artashes.

I must respectfully disagree with you about the need for Armenian's to stop "fighting among ourselves". There is always a need for unity and civilized dialogue, but if there is an "Armenian" in the community who is working for turkish and azeri interests, we need to call that person out loudly and aggressively. That is a threat to our national security.

If it is an internal question such as "what's better for our economy? Laissez-faire capitalism or Socialism", or "what should Armenia's position be on the China-Tibet or North Korea-South Korea issue" or "should Armavia be nationalized or sold to foreign investors", or "should Armenia allow unlimited abortions, or should they be banned, or limited to the first trimester of pregnancy and require that the father also consent and the mother be shown sonograms and photos of the developing child before the decision can be made" then civilized debates and arguments are the only acceptable means for progress and the development of ideas. But, as is true in every country, treasonous behavior that puts the continued existence of the country at risk needs to be attacked and destroyed, especially when those ideas are being directed from outside.

Those are just my thoughts on the issue, to help people understand where I'm coming from...

The comments of mine you are referring to had absolutely nothing to do with --- traitors --- .
You have given many examples of the kinds of things that can be talked about in a "civilized" manner , but I ( respectfully ) think you have missed my point .
Anyone can through in the traitor analogy and then assume they have the right to get obnoxious , that's easy . What's hard is being respectful during disagreements and heated discussions .
The swift accusations and name calling when someone doesn't agree with your or Vahram''s point of view is basically what I'm talking about .
Do you think that everyone that disagrees with you is a traitor ? Do you think they are all "J-ews pretending to be philistines ?
I know I'm struggling to make my point here , but ya ,hell ya , I agree -- traitors should be shot .
My point had absolutely nothing to do with traitors .
I find your introduction of traitor talk to be diversion of my point , is it know ok for me to --- assume you are an as$hole traitor trying to split us "real Armenians apart ????? Correct answer is ---HELL NO ---
With all respect my dear ( I mean this ) brother , your post above , to me is nothing more than you justifying your right to be judge and jury .
God damn man , do you really think MHER is a traitor ??? Do you want me to go shoot the mo fo ????
Both you and Vahram have great minds , you remind me of the Armenians I love so dearly .
Both Haykakan and Vrej's concern for Armenia is beyond reproach , yet they disagree . Neither one found any time in their life to call the other a b-tch . Both are REAL Armenians.
With respect
Artashes

[Sarkis86]

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The comments of mine you are referring to had absolutely nothing to do with --- traitors --- .
You have given many examples of the kinds of things that can be talked about in a "civilized" manner , but I ( respectfully ) think you have missed my point .
Anyone can through in the traitor analogy and then assume they have the right to get obnoxious , that's easy . What's hard is being respectful during disagreements and heated discussions .
The swift accusations and name calling when someone doesn't agree with your or Vahram''s point of view is basically what I'm talking about .
Do you think that everyone that disagrees with you is a traitor ? Do you think they are all "J-ews pretending to be philistines ?
I know I'm struggling to make my point here , but ya ,hell ya , I agree -- traitors should be shot .
My point had absolutely nothing to do with traitors .
I find your introduction of traitor talk to be diversion of my point , is it know ok for me to --- assume you are an as$hole traitor trying to split us "real Armenians apart ????? Correct answer is ---HELL NO ---
With all respect my dear ( I mean this ) brother , your post above , to me is nothing more than you justifying your right to be judge and jury .
God damn man , do you really think MHER is a traitor ??? Do you want me to go shoot the mo fo ????
Both you and Vahram have great minds , you remind me of the Armenians I love so dearly .
Both Haykakan and Vrej's concern for Armenia is beyond reproach , yet they disagree . Neither one found any time in their life to call the other a b-tch . Both are REAL Armenians.
With respect
Artashes

I don't recall calling anyone a "b*tch".

As for being civil, I presented "Mher" with evidence and he brushed me off and refused to view any of it. Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.

These threads are full of enough information for anyone interested to learn enough about the candidates to make their own decisions. A forum member refusing to accept facts or pretending they are not there makes that person a traitor at worst, and an illogical and ignorant person at best who deserves whatever ridicule they get. Calling someone like raffi hovannisian a "nationalist" when it is evident that his interests do not lay with the nation invites a proper response.

That is as far as I care to take this off-topic discussion on this elections thread. You can private message me any criticisms or comments you have about my posts, I'll gladly respond to private messages.