Elections in Armenia

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Can you please explain how he is a traitor?
Is he a bad politician and often make really poor political moves? Yes, but that's a big to make from making poor political moves to traitor.
As far as I'm concerned he is the least corrupt politician in Armenia. It's sad that he is the only option for a clean nationalistic politician, and I wouldn't say he is necessarily fit to lead the country, but that doesn't make him a traitor.




Why would you be for the removal of a holocaust monument?
Do you deny the holocaust, or is it just that you think it was justified?
A Holocaust monument has nothing to do with the state of Israel, or the current policies of the Israeli state
I find Armenians who take the Holocaust lightly or try to justify it really disturbing. How can you as an Armenian ever use the same logic to downplay the Holocaust that is used by Turks for the same effort for the AG?

Concerning the remarks above about the Holocaust ---
--- the sanity of your ( Mher ) words is wonderful. Like the shot that was heard around the world.
And those words were spoken by an Armenian.
You do the family well.
Thank you Mher.

[Sarkis86]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Can you please explain how he is a traitor?
Is he a bad politician and often make really poor political moves? Yes, but that's a big leap to make from making poor political moves to traitor.
As far as I'm concerned he is the least corrupt politician in Armenia. It's sad that he is the only option for a clean nationalistic politician, and I wouldn't say he is necessarily fit to lead the country, but that doesn't make him a traitor.

I agree, there is a difference between "poor moves" and treasonous behavior. The fact that raffi hovannisian is a traitor has been exposed and explained countless times. Utilize the internet, do some research, read through this thread, educate yourself. Read the blog entry below for a start. And actually read all of it and think over what it says before posting excuses for any of the hovannisian jackasses.

Do a search for "Forget the Kardashians, meet the real wh*res of the Armenian-American society - the Hovannisians", it won't let me post a URL with "wh*res in it

And here is a documentary exposing raffi's father, the professional liar richard hovannisnan. Also, read hovannisian's "The Armenian People: From Ancient to Modern Times" and Compare it to a work like "Armenia: Survival of a Nation" by Christopher J. Walker. Hovannisian's book claims to be a thorough survey of Armenian History, yet it only dedicates A SINGLE LINE! to Tigran the Great, and that line downplays his reign as an insignificant period in Armenian history (the line itself is written by the pseudohistorian Nina Garsoian, who claims Armenia adopted Christianity later that 314 AD rather than 301 AD, which would mean that the Roman Empire rather than Armenia was the first Christian state):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lluG3LX6bM&list=UUttMrFUIOCVOypgWZVbw4w&index=3&feature=plcp

And if you think hovannisian is a Nationalist, you need to educate yourself on the definitions of the concept of Nationalism.

Why would you be for the removal of a holocaust monument?

There are reasons to remove any monuments to the "holocaust", both for geopolitical reasons as well as on the grounds of the objective truth. Geopolitically, israel and zionist հրեայ in the հրեայական diaspora along with their goyim stooges not only choose to "not recognize" the Armenian Genocide, they actively and maliciously lead the movement to deny it. It is no surprise to anyone, except maybe the most lowly and uninformed Armenian, that turks look to the հրեայ in their campaign against Armenians. Some prominent հրեայ scum working against Armenians include:

-Attorney bruce fein who represents several turkish organizations based in America and was the lead attorney in the Massachusetts case where turkey tried to force the state in include links to turkish websites denying the Armenian Genocide in Massachusetts schools, as well as turkish lawsuits against the Southern Povery Law Center, against Armenian American Congressional candidate against David Krikorian when turkish paid agent jean schmidt attempted to sue him.

-israeli president shimon peres who bluntly stated "We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide" (I agree, because the Armenian Genocide took place against an aboriginal population in its ancestral homeland of several millenia while the "holocaust" is a poorly composed lie)

-journalist michael rubin

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-michael-rubin-may-2011.html

-albert agarunov - a celebrated azerbaijani հրեայ war criminal/"National Hero of azerbaijan" who we eliminated during the liberation of Shushi.

-the infamous abraham foxman, bernard lewis, and too many others to list

Nothing happens by chance in politics. Especially not with the հիեայներ, they are far, far too organized and well coordinated for it to be coincidental that all of these high ranking members of their tribe are so vehemently anti-Armenian, as it their very own terrorist state israel.

Do you deny the holocaust, or is it just that you think it was justified?
A Holocaust monument has nothing to do with the state of Israel, or the current policies of the Israeli state

The "holocaust" has EVERYTHING to do with the israeli state. israel uses the "holocaust" as a shield to cover up any and all criticism of its aggressive policies. In fact, israel uses the "holocaust" to criminalize thinking bad thoughts or saying nasty things about israel in Europe, regardless of wether those thoughts are true or not. israel uses the holocaust as an excuse to justify their genocidal actions of the long-suffering Palestinian Arabs, who are the true indigenous inhabitants of the territory the apartheid zionist state is occupying. israel sends one of its many domestic terrorist organizations, the mossad, to extra-judicially, and outright criminally, murder any civilian in any country they deem "guilty" in any aspect of or in any minuscule connection to the "facts" of the "holocaust". israel uses the "holocaust" to deceive the uninformed citizens of the world to feel sympathy for it, even as government-connected israeli weapons industries arm genocidal dictatorships like azerbaijan to the teeth. This list is by no means exhaustive, hundreds of other facts could be stated exposing the link between the "holocaust", the pariah terrorist state known as israel and the wars, enslavement and oppression occurring around the world from the prisons of Palestine to the jail cells of occupied Germany and France, where honest historians are imprisoned for "thought crimes" for having bravely exposed the great lie.

Use the Internet and do some research about the inconsistencies in the "holocaust" myth. I recommend the excellent documentaries "One Third of the Holocaust" and "The Last Days of the Big Lie", both easily available on Youtube. Here is an excellent website containing several documentaries exposing the holocaust myth (including one by a հրեայ named David Cole). Of course, in order to benefit from these videos, a viewer must go in with a clear and objective mind ready to fairly weigh in all of the well-researched and cited evidence presented. I'm aware many people are as blind as a religious fanatic on the matter of the "holocaust", because since birth all they have heard it the "six million հրեայներ died" line over and over.

Documentaries:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2

Books:

http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

One Third of the Holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwj1bvex_1o

The Last Days of the Big Lie (Note the evil actions of the Congressman known as Tom Lantos, the only US Congressman who claims to have been a "holocaust survivor". Lantos represented a Northern District in California near San Francisco. For years he was an ARDENT Armenian Genocide denier and supported turkey. Lantos was the ONLY Congressman from California which the Dashnak's ANCA gave an "F" grade to. Then when turkey and israel started having dispute, Lantos did a 180 and feigned to support the Armenian Genocide Resolution in a cheap shot at turkey. Of course, I say we take advantage of any support we can get, but this just goes to show that for the հրեայ, genocides are merely a convenient political negotiations tool):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

I find Armenians who take the Holocaust lightly or try to justify it really disturbing. How can you as an Armenian ever use the same logic to downplay the Holocaust that is used by Turks for the same effort for the AG?

Absolutely false and baseless comparison. I find sheeple that cannot think critically to be disturbing, especially when they are on the Internet trying to preach lies they heard in the west to other Armenians. The turks make up ridiculous stories to cover up the facts. They fail to explain how the ottoman empire had over two million Armeians before 1915, but only had about 200,000 after 1923. Their claims range from "Armenians never existed in this place called Anatolia" to "they all safely relocated to Russia, the Middle East, Europe and America on their own free will" to "yes we killed many of them but they were traitors and we had to move them during a deadly war". All of these are easily exposed as bull. In contrast, "holocaust" storytellers make up ridiculous and logistically impossible stories about the Germans, who were EXTREMELY strapped for fuel, manpower and material during the harsh war period spent an ungodly amount of resources in order to exterminate several million հրեայner by constructing specially built camps fully equipped with medical staff and recreation areas so that they could later execute those հրեայner in the most primitive and inefficient way. Oh, and anyone who denies the myth gets thrown in jail like the worst kind of criminal.

I posted the above response to Mher's post just so anyone viewing this thread will be given a chance to study the facts and come to the truth themselves. I don't care to get into a debate with anyone about why the "holocaust" is holy, and I couldn't care less if this causes some members to be upset and concerned about their sanity or not "doing their families proud". This is a thread on Elections in Armenia, I'd like to focus on that subject. I find it interesting that of all of the virulent anti-Artsakh divisive crap that was posted over the years on this thread wasn't enough to cause certain members enough outrage to voice their opinions, but a comment about removing a monument to a lie that's being used as a tool of oppression and genocide around the world gets their blood boiling.

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

I agree, there is a difference between "poor moves" and treasonous behavior. The fact that raffi hovannisian is a traitor has been exposed and explained countless times. Utilize the internet, do some research, read through this thread, educate yourself. Read the blog entry below for a start. And actually read all of it and think over what it says before posting excuses for any of the hovannisian jackasses.

Do a search for "Forget the Kardashians, meet the real wh*res of the Armenian-American society - the Hovannisians", it won't let me post a URL with "wh*res in it

And here is a documentary exposing raffi's father, the professional liar richard hovannisnan. Also, read hovannisian's "The Armenian People: From Ancient to Modern Times" and Compare it to a work like "Armenia: Survival of a Nation" by Christopher J. Walker. Hovannisian's book claims to be a thorough survey of Armenian History, yet it only dedicates A SINGLE LINE! to Tigran the Great, and that line downplays his reign as an insignificant period in Armenian history (the line itself is written by the pseudohistorian Nina Garsoian, who claims Armenia adopted Christianity later that 314 AD rather than 301 AD, which would mean that the Roman Empire rather than Armenia was the first Christian state):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lluG3LX6bM&list=UUttMrFUIOCVOypgWZVbw4w&index=3&feature=plcp

And if you think hovannisian is a Nationalist, you need to educate yourself on the definitions of the concept of Nationalism.


There are reasons to remove any monuments to the "holocaust", both for geopolitical reasons as well as on the grounds of the objective truth. Geopolitically, israel and zionist Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ in the Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡ÕµÕ¡Õ¯Õ¡Õ¶ diaspora along with their goyim stooges not only choose to "not recognize" the Armenian Genocide, they actively and maliciously lead the movement to deny it. It is no surprise to anyone, except maybe the most lowly and uninformed Armenian, that turks look to the Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ in their campaign against Armenians. Some prominent Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ scum working against Armenians include:

-attorney bruce fein who represents several turkish organizations based in America and was the lead attorney in the Massachusetts case where turkey tried to force the state in include links to turkish websites denying the Armenian Genocide in Massachusetts schools, as well as turkish lawsuits against the Southern Povery Law Center, against Armenian American Congressional candidate against David Krikorian when turkish paid agent jean schmidt attempted to sue him.
-israeli president shimon peres who bluntly stated "We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide" (I agree, because the Armenian Genocide took place against an aboriginal population in its ancestral homeland of several millenia while the "holocaust" is a poorly composed lie)

-journalist michael rubin

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-michael-rubin-may-2011.html

-albert agarunov - a celebrated azerbaijani Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ war criminal/"National Hero of azerbaijan" who we eliminated during the liberation of Shushi.
-the infamous abraham foxman, bernard lewis, and too many others to list

Nothing happens by chance in politics. Especially not with the Õ°Õ«Õ¥Õ¡ÕµÕ¶Õ¥Ö€, they are far, far too organizaed and well coordinated for it to be coincidential that all of these high ranking members of their tribe are so vehemently anti-Armenian, as it their very own terrorist state israel.


The "holocaust" has EVERYTHING to do with the israeli state. israel uses the "holocaust" as a shield to cover up any and all criticism of its aggressive policies. In fact, israel uses the "holocaust" to criminal thinking bad thoughts or saying nasty things about israel in Europe, regardless of wether those thoughts are true or not. israel uses the holocaust as an excuse to justify their genocidal actions of the long-suffering Palestinian Arabs, who are the true indigenous inhabitants of the territory the apartheid zionist state is occupying. israel sends one of its many domestic terrorist organizations, the mossad, to extra-judicially, and outright criminally, murder any civilian in any country they deem "guilty" in any aspect of or in any minuscule connection to the "facts" of the "holocaust". israel uses the "holocaust" to deceive the uninformed citizens of the world to feel sympathy for it, even as government-connected israeli weapons industries arm genocidal dictatorships like azerbaijan to the teeth. This list is by no means exhaustive, hundreds of other facts could be stated exposing the link between the "holocaust", the pariah terrorist state known as israel and the wars, enslavement and oppression occurring around the world from the prisons of Palestine to the jail cells of occupied Germany and France, where honest historians are imprisoned for "thought crimes" for having bravely exposed the great lie.

Use the Internet and do some research about the inconsistencies in the "holocaust" myth. I recommend the excellent documentaries "One Third of the Holocaust" and "The Last Days of the Big Lie", both easily available on Youtube. Here is an excellent website containing several documentaries exposing the holocaust myth (including one by a Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ named David Cole). Of course, in order to benefit from these videos, a viewer must go in with a clear and objective mind ready to fairly weigh in all of the well-researched and cited evidence presented. I'm aware many people are as blind as a religious fanatic on the matter of the "holocaust", because since birth all they have heard it the "six million Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡ÕµÕ¶Õ¥Ö€ died" line over and over.

Documentaries:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2

Books:

http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

One Third of the Holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwj1bvex_1o

The Last Days of the Big Lie (Note the evil actions of the Congressman known as Tom Lantos, the only US Congressman who claims to have been a "holocaust survivor". Lantos represented a Northern District in California near San Francisco. For years he was an ARDENT Armenian Genocide denier and supported turkey. Lantos was the ONLY Congressman from California which the Dashnak's ANCA gave an "F" grade to. Then when turkey and israel started having dispute, Lantos did a 180 and feigned to support the Armenian Genocide Resolution in a cheap shot at turkey. Of course, I say we take advantage of any support we can get, but this just goes to show that for the Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ, genocides are merely a convenient political negotiations tool):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

Absolutely false and baseless comparison. I find sheeple that cannot think critically to be disturbing, especially when they are on the Internet trying to preach lies they heard in the west to other Armenians. The turks make up ridiculous stories to cover up the facts. They fail to explain how the ottoman empire had over two million Armeians before 1915, but only had about 200,000 after 1923. Their claims range from "Armenians never existed in this place called Anatolia" to "they all safely relocated to Russia, the Middle East, Europe and America on their own free will" to "yes we killed many of them but they were traitors and we had to move them during a deadly war". All of these are easily exposed as bull. In contrast, "holocaust" storytellers make up ridiculous and logistically impossible stories about the Germans, who were EXTREMELY strapped for fuel, manpower and material during the harsh war period spent an ungodly amount of resources in order to exterminate several million Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµner by constructing specially built camps fully equipped with medical staff and recreation areas so that they could later execute those Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµner in the most primitive and inefficient way. Oh, and anyone who denies the myth gets thrown in jail like the worst kind of criminal.

I posted the above response to Mher's post just so anyone viewing this thread will be given a chance to study the facts and come to the truth themselves. I don't care to get into a debate with anyone about why the "holocaust" is holy, and I couldn't care less if this causes some members to be upset and concerned about their sanity or not "doing their families proud". This is a thread on Elections in Armenia, I'd like to focus on that subject. I find it interesting that of all of the virulent anti-Artsakh divisive crap that was posted over the years on this thread wasn't enough to cause certain members enough outrage to voice their opinions, but a comment about removing a monument to a lie that's being used as a tool of oppression and genocide around the world gets their blood boiling.

Sarkis, it's 6:53 am, and 43 degrees below zero F were I'm at in Alaska right now. I just woke up. Read your post. Never heard some of the things about the holocaust you are saying , and have no time to research your suggested posts. Many of the points you make appear quite resonable though and many are obvious truth. I also don't want to derail thread purpose.
I'm going to struggle here but think point needs to be made.
True or false, let us say ( to make a point ) that exactly the same number of J-ews died in their genocide as Armenians in our genocide, so that the points you make in your above post are true and valid.
I have to say --- leave it alone ---.
We ( Armenians ) are fighting a just --- JUST --- cause. T think it would be suicide !!!!! to " touch " the holocaust in any way, period.
Two separate discussions, our TRUE words as to what happened ( AG ) and holocaust denial ( whether right or wrong ).
Stick to us telling the truth about us and getting the world to recognize that. Exclusively !!!!!!
If we even " touch " the holocaust with the thought of fraud we will have committed -- politicle SUICIDE ---
We need to stick with what happened to us , not expose ! anything ! About JG.
Israel is way to entrenched and coordinated and skilled.
Brother that would be our death. Please don't do that.
As I said, I've done no research on your suggested points, and I'm not saying I agree with holocaust denial.
Uor fight has ( actually ) nothing to do with proving or disproving JG !!! Our fight has everything to do with the truth of our history.
Whether what you said about JG is true or not you HAVE to be politicly smart when on the politicle stage.
If you pursue JG fraud claim (a side track of no concern to us) you will doom us to a laughing stock !!!!
Stick to the heart of the matter.
We are closer than ever and have more politicle capital than we've ever had.
Sarkis, this is the time for EXTREME politicle savvy. Now. Please don't kill us with JG denial. Your too smart for that. Remember, it's a politicle -- game -- as well, not always about truth at all but politics !!!
If you get on the politicle ** stage ** and say that you kill us. Please be smart.
Artashes

[Serjik]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Sarkis bro! AWESOME job!

You guys heard of Norman Frankenstein or Ralph Schoenman? Two righteous Hebrews! They wrote the excellent books Holocaust Industry and Hidden History of Zionism. All brainwashed Armos need to read these two books.

Been busy with school, but been reading this site.

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Sarkis --- am not fighting with you, but point is too important.
We are dealing with a stupid world . You know that. The worlds attention span is to short to present complex anything.
If we ( Armenia ) gets the opportunity -- on the world stage --- ( we are close ) we need to keep a "singular " tightness , or dumb world will lose focus and interest, and MISS the point.
If an honest Armenian gets on world stage and has worlds attention ( we need that "paramount" ) and says --- the J-ew --- then worlds attention is diverted --- AWAY --- from primary point. Doesn't matter if point is true or not.
Please let me say a different way to make point.
Israel is puppeteer --- control is in Israel hands , strings are hanging down connected to -- turk -- , but it's not Israel we need to eliminate because turk would still be there !! It is the turk we need to waste !
If we waste the butcher , Israel has nothing but strings dangling to nothing.
Not sure I made point clear , but confusing stupid world will accomplish nothing.
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Key Opposition Candidate In Election Warning

http://www.armenialiberty.org/content/article/24883965.html

25.01.2013

Raffi Hovannisian, a leading opposition presidential candidate, on Friday threatened to declare the February 18 election illegitimate if President Serzh Sarkisian does not stop what he called serious irregularities.

Hovannisian again alleged that civil servants and other public sector employees are pressured by the Armenian authorities to vote for Sarkisian. Some of them are in turn illegally campaigning for Sarkisian’s reelection in schools, universities and other state institutions, he said.

“If this continues then these elections will be over,” he told a news conference. “I don’t want that to happen. His commitment, his speeches, his promises to the people are violated, and those violations must be attributed to him. He must bring his subordinates to task.”

Hovannisian made clear at the same time that he will not pull out of the race in any case. “If this unequal playing field, this fraud and these abuses by officials deepen … the fairy tale about legitimate elections will be over. But that doesn’t mean that I will abandon the struggle,” he said.

Sarkisian has repeatedly pledged to ensure that the upcoming vote is the most democratic in Armenia’s history. He has emphasized that message in just about every speech delivered since the official start of the election campaign on Monday.

Education Minister Armen Ashotian, a leading member of Sarkisian’s Republican Party, claimed on Thursday that Hovannisian himself broke the law by campaigning at the Yerevan State Pedagogical University. Hovannisian dismissed this claim as a “complete lie,” saying that he only “said hello” to university students earlier this week.

Also making allegations of foul play on Friday was Arman Melikian, another opposition candidate. He said that the authorities have started collecting personal data of Armenians pledging to vote for the incumbent president.

“The Yerevan mayor has already instructed the heads of various departments to collect passport data of individuals employed in public service and their family members,” Melikian told reporters. “This is certainly a form of pressure on citizens.”

Melikian, who got less than 1 percent of the vote in the last presidential ballot, said earlier this week that he is suspending his low-key election campaign because he believes the authorities plan to rig the ballot.

[Mos]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Sargsyan will win no matter what. The thing is though, the West at this point prefers Sarsgyan, and for that reasons the elections will be considered by them democratic.

[Mher]

Re: Elections in Armenia

I agree, there is a difference between "poor moves" and treasonous behavior. The fact that raffi hovannisian is a traitor has been exposed and explained countless times. Utilize the internet, do some research, read through this thread, educate yourself. Read the blog entry below for a start. And actually read all of it and think over what it says before posting excuses for any of the hovannisian jackasses.

Do a search for "Forget the Kardashians, meet the real wh*res of the Armenian-American society - the Hovannisians", it won't let me post a URL with "wh*res in it

And here is a documentary exposing raffi's father, the professional liar richard hovannisnan. Also, read hovannisian's "The Armenian People: From Ancient to Modern Times" and Compare it to a work like "Armenia: Survival of a Nation" by Christopher J. Walker. Hovannisian's book claims to be a thorough survey of Armenian History, yet it only dedicates A SINGLE LINE! to Tigran the Great, and that line downplays his reign as an insignificant period in Armenian history (the line itself is written by the pseudohistorian Nina Garsoian, who claims Armenia adopted Christianity later that 314 AD rather than 301 AD, which would mean that the Roman Empire rather than Armenia was the first Christian state):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lluG3LX6bM&list=UUttMrFUIOCVOypgWZVbw4w&index=3&feature=plcp

And if you think hovannisian is a Nationalist, you need to educate yourself on the definitions of the concept of Nationalism.


There are reasons to remove any monuments to the "holocaust", both for geopolitical reasons as well as on the grounds of the objective truth. Geopolitically, israel and zionist Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ in the Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡ÕµÕ¡Õ¯Õ¡Õ¶ diaspora along with their goyim stooges not only choose to "not recognize" the Armenian Genocide, they actively and maliciously lead the movement to deny it. It is no surprise to anyone, except maybe the most lowly and uninformed Armenian, that turks look to the Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ in their campaign against Armenians. Some prominent Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ scum working against Armenians include:

-Attorney bruce fein who represents several turkish organizations based in America and was the lead attorney in the Massachusetts case where turkey tried to force the state in include links to turkish websites denying the Armenian Genocide in Massachusetts schools, as well as turkish lawsuits against the Southern Povery Law Center, against Armenian American Congressional candidate against David Krikorian when turkish paid agent jean schmidt attempted to sue him.

-israeli president shimon peres who bluntly stated "We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide" (I agree, because the Armenian Genocide took place against an aboriginal population in its ancestral homeland of several millenia while the "holocaust" is a poorly composed lie)

-journalist michael rubin

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-michael-rubin-may-2011.html

-albert agarunov - a celebrated azerbaijani Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ war criminal/"National Hero of azerbaijan" who we eliminated during the liberation of Shushi.

-the infamous abraham foxman, bernard lewis, and too many others to list

Nothing happens by chance in politics. Especially not with the Õ°Õ«Õ¥Õ¡ÕµÕ¶Õ¥Ö€, they are far, far too organized and well coordinated for it to be coincidental that all of these high ranking members of their tribe are so vehemently anti-Armenian, as it their very own terrorist state israel.


The "holocaust" has EVERYTHING to do with the israeli state. israel uses the "holocaust" as a shield to cover up any and all criticism of its aggressive policies. In fact, israel uses the "holocaust" to criminalize thinking bad thoughts or saying nasty things about israel in Europe, regardless of wether those thoughts are true or not. israel uses the holocaust as an excuse to justify their genocidal actions of the long-suffering Palestinian Arabs, who are the true indigenous inhabitants of the territory the apartheid zionist state is occupying. israel sends one of its many domestic terrorist organizations, the mossad, to extra-judicially, and outright criminally, murder any civilian in any country they deem "guilty" in any aspect of or in any minuscule connection to the "facts" of the "holocaust". israel uses the "holocaust" to deceive the uninformed citizens of the world to feel sympathy for it, even as government-connected israeli weapons industries arm genocidal dictatorships like azerbaijan to the teeth. This list is by no means exhaustive, hundreds of other facts could be stated exposing the link between the "holocaust", the pariah terrorist state known as israel and the wars, enslavement and oppression occurring around the world from the prisons of Palestine to the jail cells of occupied Germany and France, where honest historians are imprisoned for "thought crimes" for having bravely exposed the great lie.

Use the Internet and do some research about the inconsistencies in the "holocaust" myth. I recommend the excellent documentaries "One Third of the Holocaust" and "The Last Days of the Big Lie", both easily available on Youtube. Here is an excellent website containing several documentaries exposing the holocaust myth (including one by a Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ named David Cole). Of course, in order to benefit from these videos, a viewer must go in with a clear and objective mind ready to fairly weigh in all of the well-researched and cited evidence presented. I'm aware many people are as blind as a religious fanatic on the matter of the "holocaust", because since birth all they have heard it the "six million Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡ÕµÕ¶Õ¥Ö€ died" line over and over.

Documentaries:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2

Books:

http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

One Third of the Holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwj1bvex_1o

The Last Days of the Big Lie (Note the evil actions of the Congressman known as Tom Lantos, the only US Congressman who claims to have been a "holocaust survivor". Lantos represented a Northern District in California near San Francisco. For years he was an ARDENT Armenian Genocide denier and supported turkey. Lantos was the ONLY Congressman from California which the Dashnak's ANCA gave an "F" grade to. Then when turkey and israel started having dispute, Lantos did a 180 and feigned to support the Armenian Genocide Resolution in a cheap shot at turkey. Of course, I say we take advantage of any support we can get, but this just goes to show that for the Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµ, genocides are merely a convenient political negotiations tool):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

Absolutely false and baseless comparison. I find sheeple that cannot think critically to be disturbing, especially when they are on the Internet trying to preach lies they heard in the west to other Armenians. The turks make up ridiculous stories to cover up the facts. They fail to explain how the ottoman empire had over two million Armeians before 1915, but only had about 200,000 after 1923. Their claims range from "Armenians never existed in this place called Anatolia" to "they all safely relocated to Russia, the Middle East, Europe and America on their own free will" to "yes we killed many of them but they were traitors and we had to move them during a deadly war". All of these are easily exposed as bull. In contrast, "holocaust" storytellers make up ridiculous and logistically impossible stories about the Germans, who were EXTREMELY strapped for fuel, manpower and material during the harsh war period spent an ungodly amount of resources in order to exterminate several million Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµner by constructing specially built camps fully equipped with medical staff and recreation areas so that they could later execute those Õ°Ö€Õ¥Õ¡Õµner in the most primitive and inefficient way. Oh, and anyone who denies the myth gets thrown in jail like the worst kind of criminal.

I posted the above response to Mher's post just so anyone viewing this thread will be given a chance to study the facts and come to the truth themselves. I don't care to get into a debate with anyone about why the "holocaust" is holy, and I couldn't care less if this causes some members to be upset and concerned about their sanity or not "doing their families proud". This is a thread on Elections in Armenia, I'd like to focus on that subject. I find it interesting that of all of the virulent anti-Artsakh divisive crap that was posted over the years on this thread wasn't enough to cause certain members enough outrage to voice their opinions, but a comment about removing a monument to a lie that's being used as a tool of oppression and genocide around the world gets their blood boiling.

First of all, I grew up in Iran. So there goes the "western brainwashing" argument that you have. I've spent a majority of my life in Iran, so I would say I have a fairly impartial view on such topics, having heard both sides.

Just because the state of Israel doesn't accept the Armenian genocide, that makes REJECTING the holocaust acceptable?
since you expect the Israeli government to be so just and moral, choosing humanity over geopolitics, I would expect your party in Armenian would at least have the dignity to do the same.

http://www.aina.org/releases/20120415151901.htm

Not that this makes Israel not accepting the Armenian Genocide acceptable, or this makes the RPA decision on the Assyrian genocide okay; I simply want to point out the hypocrisy in that argument considering our own government's position. Especially the fact that Armenians and Assyrians suffered at the same time at the hands of the same dogs, which makes in much worse that what Israel does.

And so what you found a list of j3ws who have worked against the Armenian cause. So out of seven million j3ws in the US, some have hurt the Armenian cause. I'm sure you could have picked any race and found some who have hurt the Armenian cause in the US. Does this mean the entire global xxxish population is working against the Armenian cause? Maybe in a neo-nazi world it does.

As far Hriyas going around the world arresting nazi war criminals, if anyone can relate to that it should be Armenians. If there were any survivors of the perpetrators of the AG and our country had any global political power, we would be doing the same. It is the very thing Operation Nemesis did, except we didnt have the political significance to do it legally, and had to do it much more dramatically. I am not saying those who died and risked their lives to go around the world and kill the turks are at the same level as israeli agents arresting 90 year old men. I am saying that you have every right to make sure the perpetrators of those crimes are punished.

Having said all of that, it shouldn't even matter what is happening now. It shouldn't matter how the Holocaust is used by Israel to cover up its current apartheid and genocidal policies. Not of that changes that a basic historic event took place.

It is absurd that I as an Armenian have to convince another Armenian. The hypocrisy would too much to take if I hadn't already had this same conversation with a bunch of other anti-Semitic Armenians friends many times over. So no I'm not going to watch some psycho racist neo-nazi try to explain away a basic fact, in the same way I can't stand to watch some shoon toork try to explain away the Armenian genocide.

The fact that you propose people listen to something with an open mind, honestly almost burns my heart, because it sounds like Turks when they say why don't you just want to review historic events impartially and with an open mind.

The reason I bothered to respond to this is first of all because its disturbing how closely it mirrors the arguments of the turks, and more importantly what Armenia doesn't need is for you and the likes of you to do the Turks a huge favor by creating a Nazi image for Armenia on a public forum.

[Mos]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Well Israeli politicians have said some disgusting things about Armenian Genocide. They have made it so like Genocide is only unique to them and the sufferings of other people doesn't matter. They have repeatedly helped Turkey with denial in other countries, and today are Azerbaijan's biggest ally. We don't have to be against all xxxs, but certain the state of Israel and Zionists are heavily anti-Armenian and we need to oppose that.

[Sarkis86]

Re: Elections in Armenia

First of all, I grew up in Iran. So there goes the "western brainwashing" argument that you have. I've spent a majority of my life in Iran, so I would say I have a fairly impartial view on such topics, having heard both sides.

Growing up in Iran does make you immune to brainwashing. You obviously live in the west now, and you obviously have succumbed to the effects of their propaganda. So there go your arguments. I've seen thousands of Iranian-born brainwashed idiots protesting in Los Angeles calling for a "green" revolution in Iran, to replace Ahmadinejad with the ethic azeri Mir-Hossein Mousavi. A tool will always be a tool

Just because the state of Israel doesn't accept the Armenian genocide, that makes REJECTING the holocaust acceptable?
since you expect the Israeli government to be so just and moral, choosing humanity over geopolitics, I would expect your party in Armenian would at least have the dignity to do the same.

Obviously you did not even bother looking at one of the resources on the "hollowco$t" I provided. You merely want to make a case for the official myth without examining the independently verified facts. There is no point explaining the same thing over and over to you, if you want to understand why I arrived at the conclusion I did regarding the "holocaust", revisit my last post and utilize the resources in it.

I did not call on israel to act with morality, I call on it to stop actively conniving against Armenian interests. If it wasn't for the actions I described in my above post which israel/j*ws took against Armenia, then I wouldn't care how many lies they spread around the world.

Not that this makes Israel not accepting the Armenian Genocide acceptable, or this makes the RPA decision on the Assyrian genocide okay; I simply want to point out the hypocrisy in that argument considering our own government's position. Especially the fact that Armenians and Assyrians suffered at the same time at the hands of the same dogs, which makes in much worse that what Israel does.

I have nothing against the Assyrians, but I have never heard of an Assyrian working to advance Հայ Դատ, except when it suits their short terms interests. I wish them well, but the RPA acts in accordance with Armenia's National Security needs.

And hell no, nothing Armenia does is ever as close to the underhanded moves of the israelis. When the Armenian NSS starts harassing Assyrians in western countries; when the ANCA and AAA actively work against Assyrian Diaspora representatives; when Armenian religious students spit at Assyrians in Armenia, then maybe you can try that argument. Until then, all you are doing is holding Armenia to impossible moral standards while covering the israelis and j*ws as they work to destroy us.

And so what you found a list of j3ws who have worked against the Armenian cause. So out of seven million j3ws in the US, some have hurt the Armenian cause. I'm sure you could have picked any race and found some who have hurt the Armenian cause in the US. Does this mean the entire global xxxish population is working against the Armenian cause? Maybe in a neo-nazi world it does.

I didn't find a random list, I assembled one from the xxxs I know who openly work against us. There are countless others who I didn't bother to name, and those "seven million" neutral j*ws are guilty because they enable the bigger names who represent their community to do there dirty work.
While there is an anti-Armenian element in all nations (and xenophobic elements in Armenia toward օտարներ, for the xxxs it is a religious duty to hate us Armenians, who they see as biblical Amalekites and as economic competitors. I cannot think of any race or nation, from France and Britain to Russia and America which has produced such as exhaustive list of agents working against Armenia.

As far Hriyas going around the world arresting nazi war criminals, if anyone can relate to that it should be Armenians. If there were any survivors of the perpetrators of the AG and our country had any global political power, we would be doing the same. It is the very thing Operation Nemesis did, except we didnt have the political significance to do it legally, and had to do it much more dramatically. I am not saying those who died and risked their lives to go around the world and kill the turks are at the same level as israeli agents arresting 90 year old men. I am saying that you have every right to make sure the perpetrators of those crimes are punished.

Again, the Armenian Genocide happened, while the hollowco$t is a lie, and those who expose the lies are either arrested on thought crimes or end up dead.

Having said all of that, it shouldn't even matter what is happening now. It shouldn't matter how the Holocaust is used by Israel to cover up its current apartheid and genocidal policies. Not of that changes that a basic historic event took place.

By that logic the Armenian Genocide doesn't matter either. Much as turkey implicates itself by covering up the crimes of the ottomans, israel uses the holocaust on a daily basis for political capital. So it matter very much.

It is absurd that I as an Armenian have to convince another Armenian. The hypocrisy would too much to take if I hadn't already had this same conversation with a bunch of other anti-Semitic Armenians friends many times over. So no I'm not going to watch some psycho racist neo-nazi try to explain away a basic fact, in the same way I can't stand to watch some shoon toork try to explain away the Armenian genocide.

Actually, the vidoes are not presented by "psycho racist neo-nazis", they are very diplomatic, polite, and they explain that j*wish behavior is not due to an inherent evilness, but rather is an evolutionary development designed to prevent them from being assimilated in diaspora. They also include several African-Americans in their videos. And one of the presenters is a xxx. You Mher, on the other hand, are a bigoted fanatic who cannot argue logically or listen to the opposing side present a fair argument. Luckily, as I said, I don’t care to convince you, rather I aim at any viewers who might read this thread.
And why are you so up in arms over "anti-semetic" Armenians? You want to be useful, go argue against the Anti-Armenian semites that you so zealously defend.

The fact that you propose people listen to something with an open mind, honestly almost burns my heart, because it sounds like Turks when they say why don't you just want to review historic events impartially and with an open mind.

If you are calling me a turk, I have to call you an arrogant loser. I actually support free speech, and I love it when turks try to present their "facts", because almost every time they speak the turks dig themselves into a hole. The key difference is that we Armenian have the truth on our side, while j*ws have only lies which they need to cover up by making a fair debate illegal.

The reason I bothered to respond to this is first of all because its disturbing how closely it mirrors the arguments of the turks, and more importantly what Armenia doesn't need is for you and the likes of you to do the Turks a huge favor by creating a Nazi image for Armenia on a public forum.

If you cannot see the substantive differences between Armenians and turks/j*ws, between truth and lies, then that's your problem. Armenia needs Armenians who see through the smoke and mirrors, Armenia needs Armenians who think critically and recognize lies when they see it. Armenia needs Armenians who study, understand and can predict the methods of the enemy. Above all, Armenians need access to information which the powers that be in the west have deemed forbidden. An understanding of geopolitics cannot be complete without understanding history.

What Armenia doesn't need is people like you who try to make excuses for our enemies, who make every excuse to cover the despicable actions of our enemies while demanding that Armenians bend over backwards (and harm our relationships with strategic neighbors like Iran) to honor a lie.

Believe me, between a Nationalist truth-seeker like me and a fanatic sheep like any Armenian up in arms over "anti-semitism in Armenia", there is only one which the turks fear and one which the turkish wolves hope will weaken and rot the Armenian state from the inside-out.