Elections in Armenia

[Anoush]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I read the above articles in the wee hours of this morning and you guys make me so proud and happy with your ongoing interests and concerns about the outcome of our lands; especially nowadays our Artsakhian lands. Armenian, Armanen, Crusader, Yerazhishd, Jgk3, Karothgreat, Federate; did I miss anybody? Well forgive me if I did, but I loved reading on your comments, thank you. Though at this time they didn't comment, but there are two ladies that I really appreciate their inputs in here and their deep rooted patriotism, namely Lucin and Meline.

Now about Sargsyan, I am glad that he won't budge for the Artsaxian lands but I had no doubts about him and he isn't disappointing me whatsoever. I agree with you Armenian that Russia won't allow any war rhetoric from the azerbaboons to come into fruition as Russia seems to consider Armenia his ally much more than Baku. After all azerbaijan is really the extension of turkey in my books and I'm sure in Russia's understanding too. Except Russia is playing politics with them for their oil now anyways. We'll wait and see what the outcome will be and I hope your first scenario will come about Armenian; I mean about Artsakh to gain her freedom and a passage to Armenia. That'll be the day!!! The one thing I'm disappointed about is the climate of disappointing defeitus attitude in Armenia and in some of the youths in there; especially the negativity towards their Artsakhian brothers and the land. They should realize that the Artsakhian lands are also so very much vital for their own existence and not to downplay it.

[Armanen]

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What effect will the meeting between Armenian, Azerbaijani and Russian Presidents have?

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict has always been a format of rivalry between Russia and the United States.
Russian President Dmitri Medvedev’s Yerevan statement on his intention to invite the Armenian and Azerbaijani Presidents to Moscow for the regulation of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict was not an unexpected move. After the August events it became clear to everyone in the Region that Russia would not content itself with «compelling Georgia to peace»; there would also be other steps directed to the consolidation of cracked Russian positions in the South Caucasus.

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ That Russian positions cracked in the Region is quite a fact, and the regional states will hardly seek repetition of the Georgian scenario. Especially at the time of financial-economic crisis the policy of twisting arms, which, by the way, neither bypassed Russia, cannot lead us to a silent consent with the Russian viewpoint. However strange it may sound, Armenia found itself in a more advantageous position than Georgia or Azerbaijan. It has neither oil, nor passage to the Black Sea, but it has a great desire to settle the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict with minimal losses. Now we shall not dwell on the fact that doing it behind the back of Nagorno Karabakh is not ethical at all. That's not the point. Yerevan has simply received a certain impulse and a little freedom of manipulation in the painful issue. Now the future of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic and that of Armenia itself depend on how Armenia will make use of the situation, and Yerevan cannot but realize the real value of the moment.

The Region is changing rapidly, and quite soon we shall have to deal with a fairly new South Caucasus. It presupposes new relations too: Russia-South Caucasus, USA-South Caucasus, and Turkey-South Caucasus. As for the Karabakh conflict, it has always been a format of rivalry between Russia and the United States. This rivalry has always existed, but it has become more intense now, and the latest events are the proof of it: the Washington meeting of Armenian Prime-Minister Tigran Sargsyan with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the one-day visit of US Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Fried, and before it - visit of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. However, Russia faces a serious problem after the «five-day war»: its image has been thoroughly destroyed in the eyes of the world community, and now Russia has to prove that militant solution of the South Ossetian and Abkhazian conflict was just an exception and that the Russian Federation is potent enough to solve its problems in some other ways too, i.e. through negotiations. “The events of August 2008 have created a new platform for the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan will never become a completely pro-western country, like Georgia is. Moreover, the latter has been disvalued as an oil and gas transit country and the world powers have given a fresh look at Armenia, whose ‘football diplomacy’ produced the desired effect. Turkey had started developing its Caucasus stability and cooperation pact still in spring of the current year and the five-day war in South Ossetia just pushed Ankara to action. Thus, the Turkish initiative has not only played its role in the Armenian-Azerbaijani relations, but it has also changed the whole situation in the region,” considers political analyst Sergey Minasyan. Minasyan also notes Russia’s «strange» intention to speed up the Nagorno-Karabakh process. “Presently Russia is imitating the Ramboullet and Bucharest scenarios. However, for the conflicting sides maintenance of the status quo and assistance from the U.S. and EU is more preferable. I am not sure that speeding up the process is in Russia’s interests,” Minasyan says.

According to Head of the Russian Duma Defence Committee Viktor Zavarzin, the intended meeting between Armenian, Azerbaijani and Russian Presidents will convey a new impulse to the Karabakh talks and will help to ease the stress in the Region. “Resolution of the conflict is possible only on the negotiation level with observation of international norms, and it should satisfy all the interested parties,” Zavarzin concluded.

One point, however, remains incomprehensible – how is it possible to satisfy all the interested parties of the conflict?

http://www.panarmenian.net/details/eng/?nid=943

[Anoush]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Thank you Armanen for the topic. The last point is well taken and wondering; how is it possible to satisfy all the interested parties of conflict? It's practically impossible. The azeri pests will never comply unless Russians put the muzzle on their ugly faces. Hopefully we'll get the 7 regions of Artsakh and a just passage to Armenia. We already have soooo very little land, you'd think the wicked world recognizes that fact; but if they don't we shall make them know it.

[crusader1492]

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The bastard will be taken care of give it a couple of years and his head will role. I don't know if it' Yerevan or the people of Gyumri but he will be taken down.

I actually saw this guy at the Gyumri Park about 2 years ago. My father actually talked to him and asked if he knew a freind of his in Gyumri. The Mayors answer was, "I don't know him, but I'm sure he knows me".

In short, the guy was a arrogant prick.

Btw, after reading Federates post, I had the same feeling you have. That is, this guy wil be taken out.

[KarotheGreat]

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I actually saw this guy at the Gyumri Park about 2 years ago. My father actually talked to him and asked if he knew a freind of his in Gyumri. The Mayors answer was, "I don't know him, but I'm sure he knows me".

In short, the guy was a arrogant prick.

Btw, after reading Federates post, I had the same feeling you have. That is, this guy wil be taken out.

H's not only hated by the people but also by the other mafia lords and the only thing keeping him alive is the support of the government in Yerevan and his bodyguard if one of them are gone he'll be death.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

And why is it that officials in Yerevan give their support to this theif? Surely they can find an even more loyal person to govern Gyumri.

[KarotheGreat]

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He got Power in Gyumri, so if they want him out they need to take care of him but he's to powerful for that. He's been mayor for i don't know how long.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

how is it possible to satisfy all the interested parties of conflict?

This is a big reason why I don't think we will see any peace plan agreed to by Armenia and azerbaijan. There are so many unanswered questions and too many powers trying to have it their way. I think too many people are making much more of the recent events in georgia, especially in relation to the NK conflict, then they ought to. The balance of power has shifted more to Russia, but the u.s./nato/eu are not 100% out, the turks and Iranians have stepped up their efforts as well. The whole region is a complete mess, it makes the balkans look like a calm place. I predict more of the same, that is the staus quo will remain after all is said and done this year and next.

I don't see true peace in the region, pan turanism is against the existence of an Armenian nation state, and the great powers don't want to give space to the interests and designs of their rivals. I think there will be a larger conflict in the future, involving many, if not all, the nations of the region. If Armenia comes out of this in a better position than turkey or azerbaijan, then this is one way we could realize our dream of a United Armenia. Since much of this is speculation, and events happen often that aren't controled by anyone, I think we should continue to work for a strong (in all aspects) and powerful Armenia on the lands that we currently control. Let's make the best of what we have!

[Armanen]

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He got Power in Gyumri, so if they want him out they need to take care of him but he's to powerful for that. He's been mayor for i don't know how long.

In your post above you wrote that the other mafia bosses hate him too, so couldn't officials in Yerevan use them to get rid of him?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

In your post above you wrote that the other mafia bosses hate him too, so couldn't officials in Yerevan use them to get rid of him?

What would change, getting one mafia lord for another one. And in the mean time many people would die. So they are keeping the status quo