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    RALLY IN THE REGIONS: HOVANNISIAN APPEALS TO PROVINCES TO "INAUGURATE A NEW ARMENIA"


    VOTE 2013 | 03.04.13 | 14:48

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    By GAYANE MKRTCHYAN
    ArmeniaNow reporter

    After 21 days of hunger strike as part of post-election standoff
    following what he called a "fraudulent ballot", opposition leader
    Raffi Hovannisian has resumed his trips to Armenia's provinces to
    "recruit citizens for the April 9 inauguration of a new Armenia",
    namely a rally scheduled for that day in Liberty Square.

    During his rally last Friday, Hovannisian challenging the official
    results of the presidential race, said that he was commencing the
    second stage of his post-election regional visits and would make
    trips to cities, towns and villages of Armenia till April 5 when
    another rally in scheduled in Yerevan.

    "By our regional visits we have entered a new stage of our struggle. I
    have decided that it should be without hunger strikes, because we
    are approaching April 9 for a new Armenia, and I repeat: whoever
    goes against our national initiative, who does not meet the people
    half-way and goes on with the inauguration on April 9, I believe he
    would have to become the warrantor of his own self-isolation and the
    final rebellion of the Armenian people, the Republic of Armenia. I do
    not want that, I want it to be reconsidered and for him to address
    people with a prudent response and a plan for national unity,"
    Hovannisian told RFL/RE.

    Heritage party vice-chairman Armen Martirosyan believes there is a
    need for the trips to provinces prior to April 9, Sargsyan's official
    inauguration day.

    Hovannisian calls the second stage of his regional visits "national
    enlistment campaign" to recruit citizens for the "inauguration of a
    New Armenia", and has started his campaign from the southern gate -
    Syunik province.

    On Monday in Kapan, Goris, Sisian, Yeghegnadzor, and Ararat, the
    Heritage leader called people to gather at Yerevan's Liberty Square
    on April 9 for the "inauguration of a new Armenia".

    In Artashat, where few people had rallied to meet him, he urged to
    drop their fear, and turned to the police who were video-taping the
    event: "What are you doing, guys? This is our land, also yours. I
    am not begging you, but you have to think what orders you are
    implementing. This is not the private garden of either Abrahamyan,
    or Sargsyan, or Hovannisian."

    With similar appeals he spoke on Tuesday in Yeghvard, Talin, Ujan,
    Artik, Gyumri, Armavir, and Echmiadzin.

    In the spiritual capital of Armenia Hovannisian cited the Catholicos
    of All Armenians during the March 31 Easter liturgy at Mother See of
    Holy Echmiadzin: "Let no one impose his private truth upon anyone or
    upon the people".

    "I am certain that he implied Serzh Sargsyan. The time has come for
    our Church to function independent of the state, be with all of us
    without exceptions, and never let the commandment of the Holy Bible
    be abused," said Hovannisian.

    In reference to Hovannisian's post-election trips to the provinces,
    Manvel Sargsyan, heading the Armenian Center for National and
    International Studies, told ArmeniaNow: "It's a new culture for us, and
    we should not forget that by official data he score big in the cities,
    towns and villages on the voting day, which makes his regional visits
    a natural thing. Also, it is the first time that the population of
    the provinces has proved to be so active not only during the voting,
    but the post-election stand-off as well."

    Expert in political sciences Gegham Nazaryan counters that Hovannisian
    ended his hunger strike and left Liberty Square once he realized
    Sargsyan was not going to give up his post, nor would he refrain from
    the inauguration ceremony.

    "From rally to rally people get more and more disappointed in Raffi
    Hovannisian. If he continues like this, he will lose his ratings in
    no time and will find himself in the same part of the political field
    with losers who cannot change anything in the situation at hand,"
    Nazaryan told A1+ oppositional online newspaper.
    Hayastan or Bust.

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      It seems that 40% of Armenians do not want to live in Armenia! They are ready to leave the country and look their fortune somewhere else.
      My question now is: how can anyone defend the government after this? This is a huge failure on the part of the government! It is a huge national security threat and the government is refusing to introduce changes and reforms!

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        My question now is: how can anyone defend the government after this? This is a huge failure on the part of the government! It is a huge national security threat and the government is refusing to introduce changes and reforms!
        In blockade, constant shootouts on the front line, canceled flights to Turkey. Landlocked in every possible way, Georgia rail link not open, Turkey closed, Baboon border closed, Iran under sanctions. Worst economic crisis hits planet earth. Cyprus is gone, Greece is gone, Italy Spain Portugal are next. The US fed is printing 85 billion a month just for MBS, the USA has trillions in unfounded liabilities, California is bankrupt, NY soon to follow. Yet this guy sees nothing but the fault of the Armenian government. How could people overlook all reality and come to the conclusion that this is all the fault of the Armenian government? You are so busy for your Pakhlava revolution that you fail to see the pit in front of your eyes. How could anyone continue to talk on behalf of Western interests in the name of national security when they want to undermine the Armenian government?

        Turkey scraps flights to Armenia after Azeri resistance
        You can't even fly a plane out of Armenia yet you don't want to blame the West for the quadruple standards! The Armenians have to be flexible?, the toorks just keep sharpening their knives and you still want to blame the Armenian government instead? And who told you this is accurate information to begin with? Do you believe everything flashed in front of your face? We are going to have bigger national security issues if some of us don't wake up and smell the coffee! Some of you are being played so hard you have no clue as to what you are saying or asking. Yet you guys keep muttering the same dull arguments. When faced with hard facts and questions nothing but silence follows, as the arguments and reasoning were hollow from the start!
        Last edited by Vahram; 04-04-2013, 01:33 PM.

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          Originally posted by Vahram View Post
          In blockade, constant shootouts on the front line, canceled flights to Turkey. Landlocked in every possible way, Georgia rail link not open, Turkey closed, Baboon border closed, Iran under sanctions. Worst economic crisis hits planet earth. Cyprus is gone, Greece is gone, Italy Spain Portugal are next. The US fed is printing 85 billion a month just for MBS, the USA has trillions in unfounded liabilities, California is bankrupt, NY soon to follow. Yet this guy sees nothing but the fault of the Armenian government. How could people overlook all reality and come to the conclusion that this is all the fault of the Armenian government? You are so busy for your Pakhlava revolution that you fail to see the pit in front of your eyes. How could anyone continue to talk on behalf of Western interests in the name of national security when they want to undermine the Armenian government?
          Vahram dear,
          You forgot to mention climate change!



          Originally posted by Vahram View Post
          You can't even fly a plane out of Armenia yet you don't want to blame the West for the quadruple standards! The Armenians have to be flexible?, the toorks just keep sharpening their knives and you still want to blame the Armenian government instead? And who told you this is accurate information to begin with? Do you believe everything flashed in front of your face? We are going to have bigger national security issues if some of us don't wake up and smell the coffee! Some of you are being played so hard you have no clue as to what you are saying or asking. Yet you guys keep muttering the same dull arguments. When faced with hard facts and questions nothing but silence follows, as the arguments and reasoning were hollow from the start!
          Why are you unhappy with this flight fate?
          I am pretty happy about this one

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            Originally posted by Vahram View Post
            In blockade, constant shootouts on the front line, canceled flights to Turkey. Landlocked in every possible way, Georgia rail link not open, Turkey closed, Baboon border closed, Iran under sanctions. Worst economic crisis hits planet earth. Cyprus is gone, Greece is gone, Italy Spain Portugal are next. The US fed is printing 85 billion a month just for MBS, the USA has trillions in unfounded liabilities, California is bankrupt, NY soon to follow. Yet this guy sees nothing but the fault of the Armenian government. How could people overlook all reality and come to the conclusion that this is all the fault of the Armenian government? You are so busy for your Pakhlava revolution that you fail to see the pit in front of your eyes. How could anyone continue to talk on behalf of Western interests in the name of national security when they want to undermine the Armenian government?
            What has the Armenian government done to help the situation? The only thing I keep seeing is people pointing out things that are going wrong never does anyone pointing to something that the Armenian government has done to improve things. Has the government pushed forward a tax reform? Has it pushed forward a economical reform? Has it cracked down on the monopolies that are strangling businesses in Armenia and are making life in Armenia as expensive as in Western Europe? You can continue making excuse the fact remains that the Armenian government hasn't been able to push forward a decent domestic policy since the independence. It cannot even enforce its own tax laws! The fact remains that 40%, that is almost half of the people in the country want to leave and most of them will leave the first chance they get. Can you see any bigger national security threat? You can continue talking about the these Western conspiracy theories but in the meantime people are continuing to move out. And the government either can not do anything about it or just chooses not to. Doesn't matter which one it is, they have failed.


            You can't even fly a plane out of Armenia yet you don't want to blame the West for the quadruple standards! The Armenians have to be flexible?, the toorks just keep sharpening their knives and you still want to blame the Armenian government instead? And who told you this is accurate information to begin with? Do you believe everything flashed in front of your face? We are going to have bigger national security issues if some of us don't wake up and smell the coffee! Some of you are being played so hard you have no clue as to what you are saying or asking. Yet you guys keep muttering the same dull arguments. When faced with hard facts and questions nothing but silence follows, as the arguments and reasoning were hollow from the start!
            What does 40% of Armenians wanting to leave Armenia have anything to do with Turkey or Azerbaijan? You can continue pointing fingers but the facts remains that the half of the people in Armenia do not want to live there and ready to leave to find a better life somewhere else. It seems that the number is not going to go do and will only continue to increase in the future. The government not doing anything or refusing to act shows that the government has failed! It is time for a technocrat government that is not affiliated to any party!

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              What does 40% of Armenians wanting to leave Armenia have anything to do with Turkey or Azerbaijan?
              Talk about being blind! The fact of the matter is answered below by your own words.

              life in Armenia as expensive as in Western Europe?
              You answered you own question, everything has to be flown in, no direct flights to turkey or any other airport is possible without spending huge amounts of money on imports. Having closed borders does not help. Having a simple cookie that you want from Turkey has to go on a land route to Iran and back into Armenia! You know what the price of that cookie is now, or do you need more examples before you open your eyes. Individuals like you are failing to see reality. You are being choked! Yet you want to hand all the blame to the government. Armenia has made great progress despite the conditions it's under and will continue to do so. People like you are blind and are not ones to come up with solutions that are outside the box. People like you are part of the problem, you sit 3 thousand miles away and you do nothing but preach nonsense based on dreams handed to you by the Joo press.

              Can you see any bigger national security threat?
              How about brining about disorder in the country while the enemies are circling overhead? You can't possibly be this blind to facts! If you are that is sad for you, however being that you are Armenian and somewhat of a preacher your folly will cost us dearly.

              You can continue talking about the these Western conspiracy theories
              Not a theory it's a fact! Who brought all the Western backed puppets to power in all these revolutions? Who created the revolutions with leaders that simply drove the country down to the ground. Orange revolution, Rose revolution ring a bell? Ukraine is on it's knees, the country is in shambles because of a Western backed revolution put an idiot in charge, what did the Ukrainine people get with a Western backed puppet? The West raped the country, Ukraine can go feck itself because the West got what it wanted! Wake up and look around, not only are you blind but you simply don't know much about the geopolitical games being played. Not only that you dismiss so easily as theories, mind you they are all very well documented facts by now. Stop looking at things in isolation so you can see the bigger game at hand. Go read something to do with geopolitics so you can see how they move the mouse around and keep you guessing while you play their game!

              Armenia needs to grow from inside out. Not by having strangers come from distant lands who communicate with odar embassies about every move they make. You are doing wonderful work for the people who want to sink Armenia, this is what you are not getting! You have fixed your eyes on the prize and in the end only soot will remain as your reward.
              Last edited by Vahram; 04-04-2013, 03:33 PM.

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                Karo you have many misconseptions about reality and you refuse to learn and see reality for what it is. Have you any information on what % of the population wanted out of Armenia under LTP? How about under Kocharian? How about under the soviet union? The fact is we armenians always believe that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence regardless of the reality of the situation or the circumstances surrounding it. I am also shocked by the fact that you see no connection between the blockade and the economic situation. Yes things are tough in Armenia and the government is very far from perfect but what options do you have to replace it with?The only option seems to be loud mouth Raffi and his circus of inexperienced and inept clowns.I am not against change and i believe far more change needs to be made then most people here but non of that changes the fact that if the present government falls then Raffi and the gang will force themselves in and i see nothing positive about that scenario while plenty of negatives are possible here. I do agree we need changes but not just for the sake of change-we need a meaningful and productive change and if such an option was available i would happily jump all over it. For all his speeches Raffi has yet to utter a single thing that even remotely begins to adress Armenia's problems - all he talks about (much like you and many others here) is how awfull things are. I know that you still believe that things are better in Armenia now then they were during the soviet days and again this is a reflection of your inability to see reality for what it is. The fact is that Armenia has big problems regardless of who is in power. While the present authorities are hardly ideal, mr Raffi and his gang are even worst. I know you do not see it (eventhough i explained to you a number of times) but the situation in Armenia is very much like the situation in you beloved USA where - like Armenia- the people are not offered a good choice and their votes reflect more fear of what the other candidate would do rather the good the guy they voted will do. Change change change kinda reminds me of the Obama campaighn and you should let this example be a good lesson to you because those promising change usually bring the opposite.
                Last edited by Haykakan; 04-04-2013, 04:53 PM.
                Hayastan or Bust.

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                  Things are awful and the country's myriad problems need to be discussed and addressed. If anything, I am glad that Hovannisian is insisting that politics and the discussion of all the problems the country is facing be made a public rather than private affair. Of course, Sargsyan doesn't want that, which is why he insists on meeting Hovannisian in private.

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                    Raffi shows Putin who's boss.

                    The analysis on this blog entry is spot on, and does an excellent job of cutting through the smokescreen hovannisian's handlers have put up around his campaign and addressies the substantive geostrategic issues Armenia faces today. There's also an excellent collection of articles at the bottom, some of which must be read between the lines.

                    Highly worth checking out, including the comments section at the bottom.

                    http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...arch-2013.html

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                      Things are awful and the country's myriad problems need to be discussed and addressed. If anything, I am glad that Hovannisian is insisting that politics and the discussion of all the problems the country is facing be made a public rather than private affair. Of course, Sargsyan doesn't want that, which is why he insists on meeting Hovannisian in private.
                      LOL, talk about a knee jerk reaction of not much substance...ROTF

                      Here is some food for thought. The United States Senate has had a closed session 54 times since 1929. That is an average of a closed session every 1.5 years. Mind you the congress elected representatives of the people.

                      Armenia since independence has had one closed session with a mere idiot Raffi! Send the Western backed stooge home where he can have a JO session with mere idiots just like himself. After all like so many have pointed out the man has no solution to any of the problems. In fact he is creating a show for himself while he makes idiots out of the rest of us. Send the Western Backed idiot home to L.A. Let Raffi run for Mayor of L.A. so Tomservo and people like him can have an honest mayor for a change...LOL
                      Last edited by Vahram; 04-04-2013, 06:24 PM.

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