Elections in Armenia

[londontsi]

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Seems that Serj's perverts, learning from their Azeri counterparts, have now resorted to placing hidden cameras in peoples bathrooms.


ARMENIAN-AMERICAN VOTE MONITOR 'BLACKMAILED' IN ELECTION FRAUD PROBE

http://asbarez.com/109182/armenian-american-vote-monitor-%E2%80%98blackmailed%E2%80%99-in-election-fraud-probe/

Tuesday, April 2nd, 2013

Narine Esmaeli

YEREVAN (RFE/RL)-An Armenian-American observer who claims to have
witnessed serious fraud in Armenia's recent presidential election on
Tuesday accused law-enforcement authorities in Yerevan of blackmailing
her with intimate photographs that were taken secretly.....

The moral of the story is, do not have s.ex before, during and after erections. ( As my Chinese friend would have said !!!)

[Vahram]

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St. Leon Armenian church, New Jersey

Credible source…LOL

I have a ladies bridge club that next week is going to have a meeting on global affairs I’ll be sure to post the link…ROTF

[Haykakan]

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Hey Karo you yourself invalidate your own beliefs then accuse me of "cop out"? Really interesting how your mind works. londontsii think your chinese friend is on to something there

[Vahram]

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oh please, the only people that are going to really 'suffer' from this measure are the oligarchs in the old Soviet Union, men like dodi Gago, Serje his brother and many others that live in from Belarus all the way to Kazachstan and everything in between. The funniest thing is that the loudest noise came from Russia. No one was robbed, a tax will be levied and there are measures to protect the small savers from this tax being levied.

Garo the problem is you are not seeing anything! You just don’t want to see the other dark side. You have this view, yet you fail to see all on the side that don’t live up to this view. You can’t point your finger in one direction, you are not seeing the picture. In addition you are very dismissive when a point is raised, because you have a fix in your head that does not match reality.

So I do not understand why you are against this. Because it seems that all the banks are also against this, ranging from saxo bank to goldmansachs?

I'm against it becuase the little guy got crushed while the big boys got all the money! Same as always bro, nothing has changed. This is country that is outright in the Euro, and look at how they robbed it. Again point your finger, and make excuses or outright not see what is really happening. They took the peoples money this is the end of freedom as you in the West have come to know! Just wait till they spring this trap on others, they will you watch.

Meanwhile in tinny blockaded Armenia, no one has stolen peoples savings account...Period!

[KarotheGreat]

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Hey Karo you yourself invalidate your own beliefs then accuse me of "cop out"? Really interesting how your mind works. londontsii think your chinese friend is on to something there

Oh please, do you really think that the Armenian government would act any differently if it was socialist, mercantile, or if it was based on a feudal economy? You are just looking an easy way out that is all.

Garo the problem is you are not seeing anything! You just don’t want to see the other dark side. You have this view, yet you fail to see all on the side that don’t live up to this view. You can’t point your finger in one direction, you are not seeing the picture. In addition you are very dismissive when a point is raised, because you have a fix in your head that does not match reality.



I'm against it becuase the little guy got crushed while the big boys got all the money! Same as always bro, nothing has changed. This is country that is outright in the Euro, and look at how they robbed it. Again point your finger, and make excuses or outright not see what is really happening. They took the peoples money this is the end of freedom as you in the West have come to know! Just wait till they spring this trap on others, they will you watch.

Meanwhile in tinny blockaded Armenia, no one has stolen peoples savings account...Period!

Funny thing is that my views are based on what is happening in reality and not some weird conspiracy like seems to be going on with you and 90% of the issues. The smaller saver will have to pay a tax of 6.6% (if I remember it correctly), while this is a lot of money for some people the fact remains that most Cypriots will not even be close to having 100000 in their accounts. The ones that are really suffering here, is not the little guy, but it is the oligarchs that have stolen from their people to enrich themselves. Why do you think the Putin got involved in this issue? Maybe because Russian oligarchs use Cyprus as a way to whitewash their dirty money?
I do not support this tax, like I do not support 90% of the taxes! However I get the idea behind the tax and the way that Russia Today is presenting shows that it is no different than Fox, CNN or the BBC. It is an English mouth piece of the Russian government.

[Haykakan]

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"Oh please, do you really think that the Armenian government would act any differently if it was socialist, mercantile, or if it was based on a feudal economy? You are just looking an easy way out that is all."
No Karo if i was looking for an easy way out i would do what everybody else was doing, i would say what everybody else is saying..but you have known me for a while in the context of this forum and you know that i am the opposite of that. While any form of economic system can be manipulated-nothing thrives on unfettered greed like capitalism. Pure capitalism does not exist anywhere on this planet because of its inhumane nature. The most capitalist society among the developed nations is the USA yet even here we see wellfair and a few other things that are fundementaly anti capitalist.

[Vahram]

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Oh please, do you really think that the Armenian government would act any differently if it was socialist, mercantile, or if it was based on a feudal economy? You are just looking an easy way out that is all.

Talk about a cop out! Not to mention using non real facts to cop out...Wow!

Funny thing is that my views are based on what is happening in reality and not some weird conspiracy like seems to be going on with you and 90% of the issues

Funny thing is you use fantasy as a substitute for reality! Saying facts by the way is not conspiracy! Again you are very dismissive and when confronted with real facts your arguments crumble!

The smaller saver will have to pay a tax of 6.6% (if I remember it correctly), while this is a lot of money for some people the fact remains that most Cypriots will not even be close to having 100000 in their accounts. The ones that are really suffering here, is not the little guy,

Get your facts straight! It was the little people that got locked out of their back accounts while the moneyed people took the money out of the country! And yes this is a fact here Garo, I'm not going off of my memory. In addition you have not had enough armchair politico telling Armenians in Armenia what to do while you sit in L.A. sipping tea, you also seem to be an armchair economist who knows just how much tax the little man in Cyprus can afford. Why are they out in the streets banging pots and pans Garo? This is laughable!

[KarotheGreat]

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"Oh please, do you really think that the Armenian government would act any differently if it was socialist, mercantile, or if it was based on a feudal economy? You are just looking an easy way out that is all."
No Karo if i was looking for an easy way out i would do what everybody else was doing, i would say what everybody else is saying..but you have known me for a while in the context of this forum and you know that i am the opposite of that. While any form of economic system can be manipulated-nothing thrives on unfettered greed like capitalism. Pure capitalism does not exist anywhere on this planet because of its inhumane nature. The most capitalist society among the developed nations is the USA yet even here we see wellfair and a few other things that are fundementaly anti capitalist.

Until now no one has come up with a better system that gives economical growth and growth of life quality than capitalism. The problem today in US is that it stepped to far away from capitalism into corporatism, these are two very different things.
And why is greed bad, when you look at human history you can see that human progress and greed have been intertwined. Look at every empire that ever existed, each one of them was created because of greed, be it greed for power or money or resources.
Greed is what will push us into space and give us the tools to move to the next chapter of human evolution!
It becomes bad when people try to satisfy their greed by illegal means. In my opinion that is why we have a government to protect the honest civilians from people who do that, and guess what the Armenian government today has failed to do that.

Talk about a cop out! Not to mention using non real facts to cop out...Wow!

How is it a cop out? When my argument is no matter what economical theory you put in Armenia, Armenia is still going to be run by incompetent and corrupt individuals? Has been my argument for ages!

Funny thing is you use fantasy as a sustitute for reality! Saying facts the way are not conspiracy! Again you are very dismissive and when confronted with real facts your arguments crumble!

Get your facts straight! It was the little people that got locked out of their back accounts while the moneyed people took the money out of the country! And yes this is a fact here Garo, I'm not going off of my memory. In addition you have not had enough armchair politico telling Armenians in Armenia what to do while you sit in L.A. sipping tea, you also seem to be an armchair economist who knows just how much tax the little man in Cyprus can afford. Why are they out in the streets banging pots and pans Garo? This is laughable!

When a atm runs out of money because people go on a bank run (which will push the banks into a worse situation and which will create a situation that would be equal to the great depression if left unattended)
Since it is my tax money that is paying for the bailout money (in part that is) I have every right to tell them what they can do or can't do. Like I have said if they don't like the bailout terms then refuse the bailout.

[Haykakan]

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The difference is that Armenia is a oligarchy while Azerbadjan is a monopoly. O and whats this "More and more I realise that the government of Armenia is build upon the greed of some people and not on some ideology or the love for their country and the well being of the people!"-has capitalist Karo changed his outlook on life and turned his back on the greed driven system of Capitalism?

So what is the difference between the Azeri government and the way that the Armenian government is working?
More and more I realise that the government of Armenia is build upon the greed of some people and not on some ideology or the love for their country and the well being of the people!

[Vahram]

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Until now no one has come up with a better system that gives economical growth and growth of life quality than capitalism.

Very true despite it's shortcomings, nice to agree on some thing!

The problem today in US is that it stepped to far away from capitalism into corporatism, these are two very different things.

Again very true, I'm surprised that you see this and it's not labeled a conspiracy! However I'm also surprised how easily you do dismiss 90% of the things I have mentioned as conspiracy be fair! Don't be fair for me, be fair to Hayastan! You see how the West is abusing it's own people. Remember when the USSR folded everyone living in an apartment in Armenia owned their apartment. And I know of a family that we are very close with I.E. we spend xmas together and most holidays together! They have an apartment still in Hayastan and are looking to sell it and they are pissed that they did not sell years ago because the prices were higher. Given all this can't you see some good that Armenia has done to it's citizens given the horrible conditions the country is under? And to think that if I miss two payments in a row right here in the USA I will be out in the street while the Armenian government has maintained apartments even for the expatriate Armenians is surly shocking to see such humanity being exhibited by a government to it's people!

And why is greed bad, when you look at human history you can see that human progress and greed have been intertwined. Look at every empire that ever existed, each one of them was created because of greed, be it greed for power or money or resources.
Greed is what will push us into space and give us the tools to move to the next chapter of human evolution!

Great greed is good so what is wrong with Armenians Oligarchs again? If Greed is good for one set of folks why not another? Yet we don't measure Armenians with the same light, we measure Armenians with contempt! While 70% of the banks in Armenia are owned by odars you out of all people who stated the above are complaining about Oligarchs? You just killed your own argument!

My argument is that greed is bad, however given the circumstances and given such a short life of our little Second Republic we should go easy. We have come a long way forward but we need to not topple everything we have built by an ideal that does not hold any reality in this world.

Again we have the preachers stating that Greed is good, just amazing!

It becomes bad when people try to satisfy their greed by illegal means. In my opinion that is why we have a government to protect the honest civilians from people who do that, and guess what the Armenian government today has failed to do that.

Can you find me one government in the EU or the US that is better then the Armenian government? And if we were to take into account the reality on the ground in Armenia. A contested land, enemies on all sides with geopolitical stakes that are so high it's a flashpoint. To have such a government I'm truly grateful! You will be hard pressed to find another country this hard pressed, let alone in hardship for this long! And considering the idiot opposition, once I see them, I fall to my knees and thank god that under such adverse conditions we have been able to maintain our second republic for more then 20 years now. That is 10 times longer then our first republic, for witch some of us still shed a tear for till this day.