Elections in Armenia

[crusader1492]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You know that there is different petition floating around that is contrary to this one. And, the backers appear to be far more organized in getting it around.

First of all FU...and second of all, since what happened was a planned coup, the organization level of the treasonous backers you talk highly about had many months (perhaps years) to get organized.

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Also, let's not forget that Serge was a part of both administrations. I didn't see Serge speak out against Levon when Levon was purported acting improperly.

Thank God Serge was part of the LTP administration. It gave him the opportunity to kick LTP to the curb before he gave Artsakh to Azerbaijan.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

A coup? I don't see how authorities who purportedly beat people in Liberty Square at 7:00 a.m. on Saturday morning arises to a coup.

An assembly of people in a public place alone does not amount to a coup. I don't think any of the foreign observers like the UN, EU, US, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. believe, based on the information to which they have access, that the state of emergency in place results from a failed coup.

So, you can repeat that until your face turns blue, but there was no coup, so f' you, kimosabe.

One could easily argue that what happened on Saturday was really a 'red' revolution by the ruling class. Everyone bring out their red ties.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

One could easily argue that what happened on Saturday was really a 'red' revolution by the ruling class. Everyone bring out their red ties.

Let's hear you make an objective argument, with the use of logic, and not hearsay.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Apparently, you have not read the counterpetition I posted above which is circulating amongst prominent Armenians.

And, what do you know about logic and hearsay. You think Soros and Armenian organizations like the AGBU are responsible for promoting revolution in Armenia.

[Virgil]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Apparently, you have not read the counterpetition I posted above which is circulating amongst prominent Armenians.

And, what do you know about logic and hearsay. You think Soros and Armenian organizations like the AGBU are responsible for promoting revolution in Armenia.

No you peice of xxxx, that is a theory, the reality is that LTP has a backer, a foreign third party or someone affiliated with a foreign third party, it could be anyone, it could be any government, whether you want to believe it or not. The reality is that all this communition and call for "change" has been implemented in a nation that has out performed all respective nations in the region in the spheres of democracy, economy, and human rights. Why is it that this kind of bullxxxx is not being exported to Azerbaijan? To Georgia? To Turkey? For God's sake, just shut the xxxx up, again, I am warning you LTP groupies, if this esculates and we lose our statehood, Artsahk, and if the economy shuts down, I am blaming each and every LTP xxxxx. You are playing with fire that you can not control. The fact is that the rioting and looting only goes to show that LTP does not know what he is doing, the fact is that if you were to take this rioting and looting to the exponential level, you will realize that our statehoood and our state, will go to xxxx. I am warning you, if you choose to side with LTP, prepare to start reciting the Azeri national anthem, it will come to that. You are not talking about European powers, as cunniving and sneaky Europeans are, Turks and Azeris are more cynical, diabolical, and dangerous.

And for anyone that thinks the government brought the violence to Yerevan, no, it was not the government, it was the frenzied mob, stop switching the tables on the blowback, LTP provided molitov xxxxtails and means to cause chaos. Furthermore, the idiocy of claiming that the government would ignite war with Azerbaijan is just ludicris and irresponsible. Its funny how each and every one of you LTP supporters talk about "economic division" when in fact "economic division" after-the-fact, assuming the coup is successful, will still exist, however, "after-the-fact", Armenia will be in a much more depressed and vulnerable state, thus, adding to the already rampent corruption and pety theift.

Furthermore, what is illogical in this entire debate is how you think armed revolution will "benefit" the people. Do you understand that armed revolution will only plunge Armenia into further economic and political isolation? No, or else we would not be having this conversation with you, anyways, just don't call "our stance" idiotic, it is the most balanced, what you advocate is just rash, irrrational, and lacks any concrete goals. Essentially, you are giving a frenzied mob the power to govern themselves. Yeah, maybe today they have looted stores, but what about in a week? A month? A year? What then?

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Russia hopes for "peaceful settlement" of violence in Armenia

Russia said Monday it hoped for a 'peaceful settlement' in Armenia after violent clashes between police and protestors that left eight dead. The Foreign Ministry statement expressing 'heartfelt condolences' was the first comment from Moscow on the 14-days of mass unrest in the post-Soviet state that is Russia's closest ally in the Caucasus. President Vladimir Putin was the first foreign leader to congratulate Prime Minister Serzh Sarkisian - seen as the establishment and Moscow-friendly candidate - for his outright victory in the first round of presidential elections. Putin described Sarkisian's win as 'contributing to the stability in the Caucasus.'

Days of thousands-strong opposition protest calling the February 19 vote rigged culminated in overnight clashes with security forces that left eight people, including one policeman, dead on Sunday. Armoured vehicles and troops with assault rifles were patrolling the capital Yerevan after outgoing President Robert Kocharian declared a 20-day state of emergency, in the wake of the violence. The Russian Foreign Ministry said Monday it 'hoped that the measures taken by the Armenian leaders will bring about the settlement of the domestic political situation ... ensuring the security of the Armenian people and the country's stable development.' The Russian embassy in Yerevan said Russian citizens were among those injured on the weekend, news agency Interfax reported. Local media reported dozens of injured opposition supporters of failed presidential candidate Levon Ter-Petrosian, while the police said 33 of its members were hurt. The small Caucasus state of 3.2 million has emerged as a strategically important region, lying along gas routes from the energy-rich Caspian Sea region to Europe.

The United States also has an interest in competing with Russian influence in the country because of Armenia's proximity to Iran and the presence of a Russian military base. Western powers fear instability in the region could disrupt gas routes and further undermine a fragile security situation with Armenia's neighbours. Landlocked Armenia faces blockades along two of those borders with Azerbaijan over a protracted territorial dispute and with Turkey, which has been angered by Yerevan's lobbying for international recognition of the killing of Armenians by the Turkish Ottoman Empire as a genocide. Sarkisian is expected to keep the line set by his political mentor incumbent Kocharian during his decade at the helm, particularly strong ties with Russia, to offset its difficult relations in the region. Kocharian on Monday congratulated Kremlin favourite Dmitry Medvedev on his landslide victory in Russian presidential elections. 'Armenia highly appreciates partnership relations of the two countries and their strategic cooperation in all directions,' Kocharian was quoted by Interfax as saying.

The weekend violence was the worst in Armenia's post-Soviet history, causing opposition leader Ter-Petrosian to call for a 20-day halt to demonstrations, abiding by the rules of the emergency law. But he promised to renew protest at the end of the interval. Ter-Petrosian refuses to accept official results which showed him with 21.43 per cent of the vote, far behind Sarkisian who won just over the 50-per-cent hurdle needed to avoid a run-off with the second-place finisher. The opposition has lodged an appeal with the Constitutional Court to invalidate the results, complaining of mass voting violations, including the beating and kidnapping of its supporters at the polls. Meanwhile, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe's vote-monitoring arm declared the elections mostly in adherence with international standards.

Source: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/e...nce_in_Armenia

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You need to go back and get a compulsory education, Virgil. Your spelling and grammar leave much to be desired. Notwithstanding the fact that you cannot make a point without using a plethora of words, your message cannot be understood because it does not make sense.

Who here is an LTP supporter?

Is it possible that Serge realized in 2006 that defending NKR is too costly because NKR officials can't even sustain electricity and water infrastructures in some parts including Stepnakert?

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You need to go back and get a compulsory education, Virgil. Your spelling and grammer leave much to be desired. Who here is an LTP supporter? Is it possible that Serge realized in 2006 that defending NKR is too costly because NKR officials can't even sustain electricity and water infrastructures in some parts including Stepnakert?

The mentally retarded Freak has spoken

[Virgil]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You need to go back and get a compulsory education, Virgil. Your spelling and grammer leave much to be desired.

Who here is an LTP supporter?

Is it possible that Serge realized in 2006 that defending NKR is too costly because NKR officials can't even sustain electricity and water infrastructures in some parts including Stepnakert?

xxxx you, I would rather have lacked a "compulsory education" versus being a incoherant ass such as yourself. I could lack all the elite writing skills, but in the end, any logical and rational person will still see what you advocate is a questionable solution.

Don't gimme the "who here is an LTP supporter", if you are for the coup, you are for LTP, get that through your head and don't deny it. The reality is that it is LTP that is on the podiums, it is LTP that is asking for a "reelection", a "reelection" based on the premise that he is one of the candidates, meaning, if the votes were to "magically" be in his favor, he would not opt to step aside. So, in conclusion, xxxx you, don't hide behind fallacies, anyone that is for the coup, is for LTP.

Regarding NKR and "who opted to give what back", at this point, be brave enough to admit that it was LTP that opted to "give back" what we fought long and hard for, don't turn it around on Serge, if we can admit that the current administration is corrupt, you sure as hell can be brave enough to admit the short commings in your argument. You are just advocating armed rebellion, no direction, just madness in a state where madness will equate to the lose of authonomy.

[Virgil]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Too bad you do not live in Armenia now Armenian because under the current State of Emergency, an incorrigible nutjob like you would not have internet access.

And, we would be free from your encouraging other members of your Axis of Stupidity from repeating nonsense and hoping it makes even a slight semblance of sense.

(laugh) Wow, where do you get your information from? Don't pull a George Dub, but it is too late for that? Anyhow, no they have internet access, for God Sakes, just stop replying.