Elections in Armenia

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Ay anhaskatsogh,

answer me these questions:

1) have you fought in the Artsakh war?

(the overwheliming majority of Karabakh war veterans, those patriots who put their life on the line, SUPPORT LEVON TER PEDROSYAN).

2) Do you sincerely believe that the thousands of Karabakh war veterans, MANY OF WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR LEVON'S RESIGNATION IN 1998, including the Yerkrapah, want Levon back so that Levon will "sell Artsakh to Azeris"?

3) Are are you aware that Serje Sarkissian has public spoken of returning lands to Azerbaijan, and that he imprisoned war heroes who spoke out against and condemned those treasonous statements?

4) Are you aware that when Levon comes to power, again WHEN he comes to power, that those same forces opposed to territorial concessions to Azerbaijan will be watching Levon's moves like a hawk? And Do you think that Levon is so stupid as not to know what awaits him if he dared to give up lands?

wait a minut why would serje give the lands he was born in away I don't understand it? It would be like me giving Lenakan to Georgia or Turkey. And I think Artsakh you lived in the days of Levon and know what was going on then and know what kind of xxxx it was. But things have improved alot and they will improve but a drastic chage will destroy evreything. And bring no good to our nation.

feel bad for saying this but we barely got of there for good, and no, neither I or my family plans on going back anytime soon, I wish things get better so we can go back, but its not gonna happen anytime soon.

I was born there I lived there, i know more then you can ever imagine. So please keep your childish remarks to yourself. Trust me pal, there is a good xxxxing reason why millions of people leave their homeland behind in search of better home. Maybe you should go back and ask your father or grandfather whats was their reason, i am sure they can give you a good one.

I am sick and tired seeing my people crumble. They never learn to work together, NEVER. Even when they are at the end of the world and there is only 2 Armenians, they fight with each other. I guess it in our blood to be this way and never succeed as one.

Here we have berutahay, parskahay, hayastansi and between them they have their own categories. In Armenia we have texatsi, norekox, karabaxhtsi, etc. Vortegh hay, endegh vay.

Come to Belgium here Hayer live togheter because many of them don't have any family here and a hay is like family close, so here where I live is very difren. And hayer from here are returning to Armenia evrey year more and more. How bad it is there it's our home, our only home. And I hope you never return to Armenia because Armenia doesn't need people like you. I ws borned there and when I'm done here with school and all I'll return back, evrey Armenian should do that work and return. And not turn in to something like you and your family.

Brothers,

Our statehood is above any person and any organization, it’s above Kocharyan, above Sargsyan, above LTP, above ARF, above RPA… it is above everyone and everything! Don’t let anyone to attack our statehood!!! It’s not about Serzh vs Levon, it’s all about not allowing our teenage state to be weakened and it’s all about not allowing our young country to be enslaved by our enemies. Look past persons, past organizations, look beyond sympathy and antipathy for this and for that, just think ARMENIA! Surb Hayotz Petutiun!!!

Bravo nice said

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I just got off the telephone with a close friend of mine in Yerevan. We were talking about the deaths over the weekend and he said that the one military death was that of a Captain who jumped on a hand granade that was thrown by the rioters to protect his young conscripts. What a sad-sad situation we are in... What did that pornik Levon and his xxxxed up followers do to us... I ask you all to please refrain from "debating" this topic with Levon supporters. These people are mentally retarded demons and low-class street porniks. xxxx them all - literally, physically and metaphorically. These people have damaged Armenia and they have pushed many of us reluctantly into the Serzh Sargsyan camp.

[crusader1492]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I just got off the telephone with a close friend of mine in Yerevan. We were talking about the deaths over the weekend and he said that the one military death was that of a Captain who jumped on a hand granade that was thrown by the rioters to protect his young conscripts. What a sad-sad situation we are in... What did that pornik Levon and his xxxxed up followers do to us... I ask you all to please refrain from "debating" this topic with Levon supporters. These people are mentally retarded demons and low-class street porniks. xxxx them all - literally, physically and metaphorically. These people have damaged Armenia and they have pushed many of us reluctantly into the Serzh Sargsyan camp.

God bless that Captain.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I just got off the telephone with a close friend of mine in Yerevan. We were talking about the deaths over the weekend and he said that the one military death was that of a Captain who jumped on a hand granade that was thrown by the rioters to protect his young conscripts. What a sad-sad situation we are in... What did that pornik Levon and his xxxxed up followers do to us... I ask you all to please refrain from "debating" this topic with Levon supporters. These people are mentally retarded demons and low-class street porniks. xxxx them all - literally, physically and metaphorically. These people have damaged Armenia and they have pushed many of us reluctantly into the Serzh Sargsyan camp.

How could this come so far, may god bless the captains soul and dam levo to hell

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Come to Belgium here Hayer live togheter because many of them don't have any family here and a hay is like family close, so here where I live is very difren. And hayer from here are returning to Armenia evrey year more and more. How bad it is there it's our home, our only home. And I hope you never return to Armenia because Armenia doesn't need people like you. I ws borned there and when I'm done here with school and all I'll return back, evrey Armenian should do that work and return. And not turn in to something like you and your family.

Trust me they made it very clear that they don't want people like me there. They don't want middle-class people there. You must be either part of their brotherhood or part of low class. So i am assuming you are either really poor or you have an uncle who is the chief of police. Otherwise there is no way around it.

Oh by the way smarty, there are millions of people just like me, and we didn't turn this way as you say, they made us this way.

How long have you been out of Armenia?

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I just got off the telephone with a close friend of mine in Yerevan. We were talking about the deaths over the weekend and he said that the one military death was that of a Captain who jumped on a hand granade that was thrown by the rioters to protect his young conscripts. What a sad-sad situation we are in... What did that pornik Levon and his xxxxed up followers do to us... I ask you all to please refrain from "debating" this topic with Levon supporters. These people are mentally retarded demons and low-class street porniks. xxxx them all - literally, physically and metaphorically. These people have damaged Armenia and they have pushed many of us reluctantly into the Serzh Sargsyan camp.

Unfortunate but who knows how much of its is true.

The Armenia channel that is owned by our great administration, does not really say anything, but they did yesterday say about the 8 people killed. And they were laughing about it. They killed an 6 year old kid and now they laugh.

I know this does not mean anything to you. But just saying.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Trust me they made it very clear that they don't want people like me there. They don't want middle-class people there. You must be either part of their brotherhood or part of low class. So i am assuming you are either really poor or you have an uncle who is the chief of police. Otherwise there is no way around it.

Oh by the way smarty, there are millions of people just like me, and we didn't turn this way as you say, they made us this way.

How long have you been out of Armenia?

I've been 9 years out of Armenia but I can't wait to return to Armenia, can't wait to spend the rest of my life there. Can't wait to set foot on it's gorund to drink it's water to eat some tziran.

And most of them run away because the economical siuation there was after levon, no jobs nothing but now there are jobs I know people who had nothing and now they have jobs vreated from nothing. They work on roofs.

[crusader1492]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

http://www.petitiononline.com/yerevan/petition.html

To: Whom It May Concern
We, the undersigned citizens of Armenia not affiliated with any government bodies or with the marginal opposition groups, state the following:

The events of March 1, 2008 in Yerevan, Armenia are an attempt of a rebellion, which had nothing to do with peaceful opposition actions. Witnesses confirm that the police and the authorities in general refrained from resorting to force as long as possible. The state authorities patiently waited for 9 days for the unauthorized demonstration to end, but the marginalized part of the opposition led by Levon Ter-Petrosyan continued illegal activities with calls to overthrow government with revolutionary means. This was a Gandhi on surface, Bolshevist in essence "singing and dancing revolution" to quote Ter-Petrosyan himself. The actions of Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s supporters ended in deaths (both among the protesters and police forces), burning and looting — something unseen even during the protests of 1988, when hundreds of thousands of Armenians were taking part in the demonstrations for the freedom of Nagorno Karabakh.

We strongly believe that now Levon Ter-Petrosyan is a direct threat to the statehood of Armenia.

The feeling of revenge, personal business interests and affiliations are the motives behind Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s scandalous comeback. While we criticize our government for many weaknesses and faults we strongly believe that Levon Ter-Petrosyan is the last person in the world to be interested in strengthening democracy in Armenia. The reasons for us to think so are:

1. Ter-Petrosyan was the first leader of the Republic of Armenia to practice large scale electoral fraud (elections of 1996, Vazgen Manukian being the real winner).

2. Ter-Petrosyan was the first one to use army against the protesters (after falsifying the results of presidential elections in 1996).

3. Ter-Petrosyan was the first to suppress free speech, by closing newspapers (some of us remember quite well policemen throwing computers out of the office windows of the “Yerkir” daily).

4. Ter-Petrosyan was the first leader in the Republic of Armenia to shut down a political party and throw its members into jail (the infamous “Dro” case).

5. Ter-Petrosyan was the very person under whose wing the oligarchic families were born. Actually all the current Armenian oligarchs became rich during Ter-Petrosyan’s rule. Moreover, while his supporters criticize oligarchs, the major donor for the Ter-Petrosyan’s campaign is another oligarch.

6. Ter-Petrosyan was the person who brought to power current Armenian authorities — who are now being called criminals and bandits by the supporters of the ex-president.

7. Yet the most important... Ter-Petrosyan is the very person who killed Armenians’ belief in justice, law and freedom of speech.

With everything said above, we urge our compatriots to stay sober and do not fall for the disinformation and PR-campaign started by Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s supporters.

We call on the government of Armenia to conduct thorough investigation and bring to fair trial all instigators of disturbances and civil unrest. With enough evidence of complicity immunity should be lifted from Ter Petrosyan himself. In true democracy no one can be above the law.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

The above is too polite. I got the following via email. Fax or email the following to various embassies and/or organization if you want to come across more forceful.

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Levon Ter Petrosian Must be Punished!

The treasonous criminal Levon Ter Petrosian and his team of bloody usurpers need to be punished for their crimes against the Armenian state. We expect to see Levon Ter Petrosian and his team imprisoned for life, exiled or executed for their crimes. President Robert Kocharyan waited far too long to crack down the masses of absolute idiots pursuing suicidal political agendas. If Armenia is to be respected as a viable nation serious about protecting its national interests, every single one of the organizers of last weekend's failed coup d'etat need to be imprisoned, deported or executed for treason against the state. There can be no sane excuses for supporting a treasonous criminal like the turkophile Levon Ter Petrosian, especially after having observed eight years of his corrupt and ruinous presidency. If the Armenian electorate was dissatisfied with Serzh Sargsyan they should have given their support to any of the other presidential candidates - not Levon Ter Petrosian. Sadly, a significant portion of the Armenian nation today has revealed severe political immaturity and social irresponsibility. Consequently, a significant portion of Armenia’s citizenry has revealed that they are unable to govern themselves via democratic means.

Nevertheless, we expect the Armenian state to:

Ruthlessly crush the bloody rebellion and severely punish its leadership.

Summon the Russian FSB to help hunt down and eliminate anyone involved in the funding and/or the organization of this attempted coup d'etat.

Shut-down western funded anti-state media outlets such as A1 Plus, Hetq, Armenianow and Radio Liberty.

Subject to closure various NGOs in Yerevan that are engaged in anti-state activities.

Deport foreign agents such as Onnik Krokorian and Richard Giragosian back to where they came from.

Deport the brainless pig Raffi Hovanisian back to his stinking hole in California.

Up hold the rule of law and order in Armenia.

Protect at all costs the territorial integrity of Armenia and Artsakh.

Protect at all costs Armenia's alliance with the Russian Federation.

Serzh Sargsyan's presidency will be judged by whether or not he is able to eradicate the HHSh party within the Armenian Republic. The HHSh party is a cancer in Armenia serving American and Turkish interests. This dangerous cancer needs to be eradicated as soon as possible.

Signed,

Concerned Armenians

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

http://www.petitiononline.com/yerevan/petition.html

To: Whom It May Concern
We, the undersigned citizens of Armenia not affiliated with any government bodies or with the marginal opposition groups, state the following:

The events of March 1, 2008 in Yerevan, Armenia are an attempt of a rebellion, which had nothing to do with peaceful opposition actions. Witnesses confirm that the police and the authorities in general refrained from resorting to force as long as possible. The state authorities patiently waited for 9 days for the unauthorized demonstration to end, but the marginalized part of the opposition led by Levon Ter-Petrosyan continued illegal activities with calls to overthrow government with revolutionary means. This was a Gandhi on surface, Bolshevist in essence "singing and dancing revolution" to quote Ter-Petrosyan himself. The actions of Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s supporters ended in deaths (both among the protesters and police forces), burning and looting — something unseen even during the protests of 1988, when hundreds of thousands of Armenians were taking part in the demonstrations for the freedom of Nagorno Karabakh.

We strongly believe that now Levon Ter-Petrosyan is a direct threat to the statehood of Armenia.

The feeling of revenge, personal business interests and affiliations are the motives behind Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s scandalous comeback. While we criticize our government for many weaknesses and faults we strongly believe that Levon Ter-Petrosyan is the last person in the world to be interested in strengthening democracy in Armenia. The reasons for us to think so are:

1. Ter-Petrosyan was the first leader of the Republic of Armenia to practice large scale electoral fraud (elections of 1996, Vazgen Manukian being the real winner).

2. Ter-Petrosyan was the first one to use army against the protesters (after falsifying the results of presidential elections in 1996).

3. Ter-Petrosyan was the first to suppress free speech, by closing newspapers (some of us remember quite well policemen throwing computers out of the office windows of the “Yerkir” daily).

4. Ter-Petrosyan was the first leader in the Republic of Armenia to shut down a political party and throw its members into jail (the infamous “Dro” case).

5. Ter-Petrosyan was the very person under whose wing the oligarchic families were born. Actually all the current Armenian oligarchs became rich during Ter-Petrosyan’s rule. Moreover, while his supporters criticize oligarchs, the major donor for the Ter-Petrosyan’s campaign is another oligarch.

6. Ter-Petrosyan was the person who brought to power current Armenian authorities — who are now being called criminals and bandits by the supporters of the ex-president.

7. Yet the most important... Ter-Petrosyan is the very person who killed Armenians’ belief in justice, law and freedom of speech.

With everything said above, we urge our compatriots to stay sober and do not fall for the disinformation and PR-campaign started by Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s supporters.

We call on the government of Armenia to conduct thorough investigation and bring to fair trial all instigators of disturbances and civil unrest. With enough evidence of complicity immunity should be lifted from Ter Petrosyan himself. In true democracy no one can be above the law.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

You know that there is different petition floating around that is contrary to this one. And, the backers appear to be far more organized in getting it around.

MARCH 1, 2008

WHEREAS:

1. THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF ARMENIA CAME TO POWER WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF THE LAW, WITHOUT COMPLYING TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE ARMENIAN CONSTITUTION.
2. THROUGHOUT IT’S POWER AND TO DATE, THE ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT OF ARMENIA HAS USED ALL ILLEGAL MEANS TO GARNISH POWER, TO OPPRESS, KILL, IMPRISON, SEARCH AND SEIZE, VIOLATE ALL CIVIL RIGHTS OF THE ARMENIAN CITIZENS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF THE LAW.
3. AT ALL TIMES, ALL CRIMINAL AGENTS AND ELEMENTS OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF ARMENIA HAVE BEEN ABOVE THE LAW AND HAVE ENJOYED FREEDOMS TO USE UNDUE FORCE ON THE PEACEFUL CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY AND HAVE REMAINED UNPUNISHED, WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO THE LAW.
4. THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF ARMENIA HAS SYSTEMATICALLY TAKEN AWAY THE PEOPLE’S RIGHT TO: FREEDOMS OF SPEECH, ASSEMBLY, TRAVEL, VOTE, FAIR ELECTIONS, TO CIVIL RIGHTS AND CITIZENSHIP UNDER THE LAWS OF THE ARMENIAN CONSTITUTION.
5. DURING THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE OF THE CURRENT REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA, THERE EXISTS NO STATISTICAL DATA SHOWING PROPER REGISTRATION OF ALL ELIGIBLE VOTERS,
6. ALL ELECTIONS HELD IN ARMENIA WERE CONDUCTED WITHOUT PROPER REGISTRATION, BALLOTS AND NECESSARY ELECTRONICS AND ACCOUNTING WHICH WOULD COMPLY WITH INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS AND WOULD GUARANTEE THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENSHIP, AMONG THEM TO VOTE AND TO DUE PROCESS OF THE LAW..

AS A RESULT,

WE, THE ARMENIAN NATIONALS INTERNATIONALLY, HEREBY DECLARE


1. THAT WE CONDEMN ALL VIOLENT AND NON VIOLENT ACTIONS OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IN ARMENIA
a. SUPPRESSING THE FREE SPEECH GUARANTEED TO THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE.
b. THE FREE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE AND TRAVEL WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY
c. ALL RIGHTS GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE COUNTRY TO ITS CITIZENS.

2. THE ELECTION RESULTS OF 2008 ARE NULL AND VOID AND ALL STEPS BE TAKEN TO GUARANTEE NEW FAIR ELECTIONS.

WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, FURTHER DEMAND:

1. THE GOVERNMENT OF ARMENIA TO IMMEDIATELY INSTALL AND PROVIDE ELECTION ELECTRONICS TO FACILITATE PROPER REGISTRATION FOR THE VOTING POPULATION OF ARMENIA.
2. FACILITATE NEW ELECTIONS FOR THE ELIGIBLE REGISTERED VOTERS OF ARMENIA
3. MR. SERGE SARKISSIAN RESIGN FROM HIS FRAUDULENTLY GAINED VICTORY AS THE FUTURE PRESIDENT OF ARMENIA
4. MR. ROBERT KOCHARIAN IMMEDIATELY RESIGNS FROM HIS POSITION, AND BE SUBJECTED TO IMPEACHMENT AND DUE PROCESS OF THE LAW FOR THE BLOODSHED AND VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS OF ARMENIAN CITIZENS ON 3-1-2008.
5. MR. ROBERT KOCHARIAN AND ALL ELEMENTS OF HIS GOVERNMENT BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR ALL CRMINAL ASSASINATIONS, CRIMINAL APPROPRIATION OF PUBLIC INTERESTS AND ALL HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS TO DATE.
6. TO THAT END, AN INDEPENDENT PUBLIC LEGAL COMMITTEE BE FORMED TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS AND REPORTING TO THE PEOPLES TRIBUNAL OF ARMENIA TO FURTHER PROSECUTE ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS RESPONSIBLE FOR ABUSE OF THEIR PUBLIC AUTHORITY.
We will protect the privacy of all participants and will not publish addresses, phone numbers and e mails unless required by law for prosecution purposes in any formal legal proceeding in Armenia for the interests of the Armenian people at large.

PETITIONER’S NAME, LAST AND FIRST (Must be over the age of 18) ADDRESS PHONE NUMBER E MAIL ADDRESS


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Also, let's not forget that Serge was a part of both administrations. I didn't see Serge speak out against Levon when Levon was purported acting improperly.