Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

[Tali]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

does any one else notice we're not actually having different opinions?
By blood (putting aside culture) they're "Armenian" on paperwork. To the Armenian community, that means nothing. To the government who cares about blood content, it does.

To Armenians, they need to go beyond just having the blood. They need to have an "Armenian Identity" - which comes from the culture, being raised in it, having the values, etc.

[londontsi]

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To Armenians, they need to go beyond just having the blood.
They need to have an "Armenian Identity" - which comes from the culture, being raised in it, having the values, etc.

I would add to this the feeling of the need for self preservation of the nation.

[freakyfreaky]

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I agree with Harvey Levin, if it was not for TMZ, this is a non-story. http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-...l-gibson-21074

Pure crassness.

[ara87]

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The point is, it doesn't matter what we think constitutes as a real Armenian, or whether Kim and her sisters are 25% or 100%, they've labeled themselves as Armenian, and that's what society knows them as, and it's better to have some representation, even if it's bad then no representation at all.

As for "if her last name was 'smith' we wouldn't claim her", there are Armenian sites that go on about how Princess Diana was 1/64th Armenian, Cher is only 1/2, Agassi is only 1/4.

As for Kirk, being a billionaire only makes you famous if you did something cool like found Microsoft or face-book or are in the top 5 (honestly, how many of the top 50 can you name?). Also dropping from the 14th richest person in the world to the 307th certainly doesn't help.

I don't know how famous Kim is outside the USA, but she has 6,569,932 followers on twitter, Oprah has 5,235,646. Or to put it another way she has over double the population of Armenia as fans.

I'm not saying Kim is more well known than Oprah just that there's a sizable chunk of the population that likes her alot (btw cher only has a 140K followers, even with an international fan base, a vegas show and a movie with Christina Aguilera). "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" viewership has constantly gone up over the years as well, and many Americans know all the sisters names, not just Kim.

Also I don't care if Kim's given to Armenian charities or not, just b/c she rich doesn't mean she should have to give. If every diasporan Armenian donated 5 bucks every year to Armenia instead of complaining about how rich Armenians don't donate, a lot more would have already gone to Armenia.

Kim also maybe is being smart and saving, feeling that the 10% of her income she donates to the dream foundation and other charities is a little to much since she knows fame is fickle and good looks don't last forever.

As for the good she's done for Armenia, she's been a better spokesperson than the Armenian mafia douche bags who brought us a bunch of negative attention with the largest medicare scandal ever. Then there's the usual bad story having something to do with the Armenian Power group in Cali.

She's also mentioned the Armenian genocide before, there was clip of her being interviewed by someone at the white house correspondent dinner and she spoke about it.

And before you go on about "Armenian Mindsets" and "values" guess what Cher, Agassi, probably even Aznavour never had an "Armenian Mindset" or held any "Armenian Values" Cher wasn't even raised by her Armenian father..

[Mos]

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The point is, it doesn't matter what we think constitutes as a real Armenian, or whether Kim and her sisters are 25% or 100%, they've labeled themselves as Armenian, and that's what society knows them as, and it's better to have some representation, even if it's bad then no representation at all.

As for "if her last name was 'smith' we wouldn't claim her", there are Armenian sites that go on about how Princess Diana was 1/64th Armenian, Cher is only 1/2, Agassi is only 1/4.

As for Kirk, being a billionaire only makes you famous if you did something cool like found Microsoft or face-book or are in the top 5 (honestly, how many of the top 50 can you name?). Also dropping from the 14th richest person in the world to the 307th certainly doesn't help.

I don't know how famous Kim is outside the USA, but she has 6,569,932 followers on twitter, Oprah has 5,235,646. Or to put it another way she has over double the population of Armenia as fans.

I'm not saying Kim is more well known than Oprah just that there's a sizable chunk of the population that likes her alot (btw cher only has a 140K followers, even with an international fan base, a vegas show and a movie with Christina Aguilera). "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" viewership has constantly gone up over the years as well, and many Americans know all the sisters names, not just Kim.

Also I don't care if Kim's given to Armenian charities or not, just b/c she rich doesn't mean she should have to give. If every diasporan Armenian donated 5 bucks every year to Armenia instead of complaining about how rich Armenians don't donate, a lot more would have already gone to Armenia.

Kim also maybe is being smart and saving, feeling that the 10% of her income she donates to the dream foundation and other charities is a little to much since she knows fame is fickle and good looks don't last forever.

As for the good she's done for Armenia, she's been a better spokesperson than the Armenian mafia douche bags who brought us a bunch of negative attention with the largest medicare scandal ever. Then there's the usual bad story having something to do with the Armenian Power group in Cali.

She's also mentioned the Armenian genocide before, there was clip of her being interviewed by someone at the white house correspondent dinner and she spoke about it.

And before you go on about "Armenian Mindsets" and "values" guess what Cher, Agassi, probably even Aznavour never had an "Armenian Mindset" or held any "Armenian Values" Cher wasn't even raised by her Armenian father..

It becomes a problem when you have a prostitute and western wh*re claiming to be Armenian when she has no legitimacy to do so. She's not Armenian, but she claims she is and thus ruins our image, ruins the image for the real Armenians who work hard to keep up our name. She should only be referred to as American - Americans love their wh*re celebrities.

[KanadaHye]

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And before you go on about "Armenian Mindsets" and "values" guess what Cher, Agassi, probably even Aznavour never had an "Armenian Mindset" or held any "Armenian Values" Cher wasn't even raised by her Armenian father..

Out of the 3, probably only Aznavour was marginally Armenian. Why is it that we don't give notice to true Armenian celebrities like Isabel Byrakdarian? The problem is with the Armenian community, we don't support our artists and help them achieve world recognition. That and intelligence doesn't achieve fame on a world stage that's run by Hollywood executives and agents.

[ara87]

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I forgot to mention that there are still Armenians to this day that try to say Gwen Stefani is Armenian, that they know she is b/c she has "Armenian eyes" even though she isn't Armenian at all. And she doesn't do anything for Armenia or have an "Armenian Mindset" yet people still try to claim her.

I also forgot to mention that Aznavour is also 25% Georgian from his father's side, that's an interesting fact most people don't know anyhow

@ Kanada

As far as supporting our own Armenian celebrities to non Armenians, it's much harder than it sounds. To be marketed globally you have to have a immense fan base, but seeing as not one Armenian celebrity can get all the Armenians in the world to be their fan, chances are it's never going to happen. Especially since as far as music goes, Armenian music is not the kind you can market internationally even if it is in English, and as far as acting goes, it's not like Armenia has a top notch Film and Television industry yet to produce internationally renowned actors.

Even other celebrities from other countries have a hard time making it internationally. For instance Haifa Whebe of Lebanon tried making it, she had concerts with American entertainers like 50 cent, and even was listed in People's Magazine's "Most Beautiful People" list a few years back but she's still not really known outside the Middle East.

Countless other celebrities from various countries have tried to make it internationally and failed even with the support of their people, b/c what they don't realize is being a superstar in one country doesn't really make you a superstar. If your Portugal's biggest Celebrity for instance, that means a wannabe international sensation in the USA that's well known in their home state (e.g. California, Texas, Florida, New York) will have more fans, even if they're not nationally known, and half of those people never even get to national fame in the USA.

Celebrity status counts more in the USA than elsewhere, partly b/c were America, and partly b/c we have a lot of people. What good is it if 5% of the UK buys your CD, when that only equals 3 million cd's sold, as opposed to the USA where the same percentage of the population means about 15 million records sold.

There's a reason why the rest of world imports Music and Films from the USA and not the other way around (well maybe except for music from the UK to America), and don't give me this "it's b/c american's aren't cultured" crap. there have been foreign movies here that were well received even though they were only shown wit subtitles

[Mos]

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Out of the 3, probably only Aznavour was marginally Armenian. Why is it that we don't give notice to true Armenian celebrities like Isabel Byrakdarian? The problem is with the Armenian community, we don't support our artists and help them achieve world recognition. That and intelligence doesn't achieve fame on a world stage that's run by Hollywood executives and agents.

We should support artists that are actually Armenians, and are not an embarrassment.

Kardashian or Kardb0zian is 1)not armenian 2) not an artist 3) a wh*re 4) and thus an embarassment - she's is just one of those american wh*re stars that thinks saying that she's armenian will make her standout. She basically exploits our name for her prositute intentions. She deserves nothing, a spit in the face at best.

[ara87]

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Kan I know she's not the best spokesperson, there are so many other people I'd rather have, there's a nice looking, proper, Armenian American girl i posted about on here who's signed with interscope records, but for whatever reason, she's just not marketable to the masses like Kim is. Beggars can't be choosers, we're in no place to tell Kim and her clan to gtfo when we don't even have anyone to replace her with

[Mos]

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Kan I know she's not the best spokesperson, there are so many other people I'd rather have, there's a nice looking, proper, Armenian American girl i posted about on here who's signed with interscope records, but for whatever reason, she's just not marketable to the masses like Kim is. Beggars can't be choosers, we're in no place to tell Kim and her clan to gtfo when we don't even have anyone to replace her with

It's better we have no spokesperson, than have a prositute, wh*re, who is not one shred armenian, as our spokesperson. Yes she should gtfo and stop exploiting the 'armenian' name - she should just continue being an american wh*re, she's good at that.