Are Armenians white????

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Armenians are related to Europeans. If you understood the principle of Med migrations (Which created every European appearance that is not Cro-magnid, in other words, every European appearance that isn't reminiscent of Arnold Schwarzneggar or all those other Cromagnid types that dominate the British Isles for example, you'd figure out that they had to pass through the Armenian Highlands first to get into Europe.

After this population of Europe by Meds, later waves of peoples from the Armenian Highlands who developped under conditions of Armenization made their way into Europe, and Europeans in turn, making their way from the Caucasus mountains or the Bosporus, would populate the Armenian highlands with their own regional types of Med which evolved later on.

You need to understand this interaction as dynamic, a process that made up both the character of those living in Europe and those in the Middle East. If you can't understand that, then there is nothing more to say.

[German66]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I always figured Armenians were most related to Greeks and Southern Italians. I'm sure some Armenians can relate to Italians and Greeks in appearance.

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I always figured Armenians were most related to Greeks and Southern Italians. I'm sure some Armenians can relate to Italians and Greeks in appearance.

Of course we're related, but in terms of historical genetic closeness, they are more removed from us than say non-Armenian Anatolians and northern Mesopotamians. This is based on haplogroup studies.

Yes many Armenians can relate to Italians and Greeks in appearance, but obviously each of these ethnicities host their respective types, some of which coalesce in appearance with types found in other ethnic groups more easily.

I would also like to stress that common phenotypes don't necessarily reflect comparative genetic closeness in a reliable way. Frequency of intermingling does. If you look at the genes of Eastern Europeans for example, you will see that they are starkly different (that is, speaking within the bounds of the Caucasian race) from those found in Western Europe, even though the two regions may share certain categories of phenotypes in common.

[Armanen]

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I don't think we have intermingled with the Georgian tribes very much historically.

I will ask our friend from AH about this. You could very well be right.

Europeans in turn, making their way from the Caucasus mountains or the Bosporus, would populate the Armenian highlands with their own regional types of Med which evolved later on.

Is this a reference to the Phyrgians? I'm not really sure what you're trying to convey with this, would you go into detail more?


I'd like to add a sub note to your example about eastern Europeans, which is that even amongst them there are large differences especially when we consider the Romanians and their Slavic neighbors. And if we include the Baltic states as part of eastern Europe then that's another good example that although peoples may live close to one another for thousands of years that doesn't necessarly mean a lot of genetic interaction took place.

[jgk3]

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I will ask our friend from AH about this. You could very well be right.

good idea

Is this a reference to the Phyrgians? I'm not really sure what you're trying to convey with this, would you go into detail more?

Phyrgians? No, at least not manifested in their Phyrgian culture.

People like the Muski as recorded by Assyrian Records? Yes, most probably.

However I'm not referring to any one people or any one time period of migration from Europe into the Armenian Highlands. These things worked in waves, in progressions. This is the nature of historic human migrations during periods of power vacuums in a given territory. I also implied that this sort of thing occurred in considerable scale before recorded history. Haplogroup studies are the evidence for those cases.

I'd like to add a sub note to your example about eastern Europeans, which is that even amongst them there are large differences especially when we consider the Romanians and their Slavic neighbors. And if we include the Baltic states as part of eastern Europe then that's another good example that although peoples may live close to one another for thousands of years that doesn't necessarly mean a lot of genetic interaction took place.

Worthy point. Thanks for reminding us. And Romanians are a rather good example to bring up, a Romano-centric people engulfed in a sea of Slavic population and culture. Balts also, are very much their own thing, they even have their distinct phenotype category called Baltoid. I am not really well read on the processes behind its evolution however.

It is curious though, that Lithuanians picked being assimilated into the Poles over being reincorporated into the Muscovite realm as Belorussians. Funny how royal alliances can so decidedly change the culture and the genetic composition of an entire race (race as in the spiritual, supranatural core of an ethnic group).

[Armanen]

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Thanks for clearing some things up.

Do you think the Phrygians played any role in the history of the genetic make up of the Armenian people? Of course I am not referring to the silly theory associated with Herodotus.

I don't know much about the Balts either. How did the Lithuanians assimilate into the Poles? Are you talking about in recent history such as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or sometime in pre history?

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

regarding Lithuanians, I was talking about the Polish-Lithuanian Confederation, relatively recent.

Regarding the Phrygians, no, I no longer see how they helped to generate the Armenian nation/race. At best, Urartian kings, during peaks of its geopolitical influence, had settled in their heartland or in newly won territories maybe hundreds of Phrygian farmers to boost local population.

Still, I don't know much about the relations between the two powers. Not much is known about Phrygian and Urartian relations. It's known that Cimmerians severely hampered them both though. I don't think they had that much room to do anything overly ambitious to eachother.

[Anoush]

Re: Are Armenians white????

With the mainland of Araratyan Urartians, the mainstream of Armenians are; the Hayasas, Nairis, Armens, Urartians, Diainis and Ervandunis. Historically we were tribal people and yes Thracians and Phrygians also came to Armenia as well as the mainland Urartians to form the whole of the Armenian people.

[Armanen]

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I think the jury is still out on whether the Thracians and Phrygians really played an important part in the make up of the modern Armenian.

The various Armenic tribes along with other Caucasian tribes really formed the basis IMHO.

[ddd]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Armenians are Armenian.