Are Armenians white????

[jgk3]

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I rather have the Western variant. Suppressing and abusing women is cruel and as Christians we should know better.

We should have known better 1700 years ago in that case.

btw, Armenians are purple.

[Anonymouse]

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There are a few topics that will always resurface like wood floating in water and this topic of Armenians being white is one of them. I suspect there is some unhealthy obsession with this question that has developed after having lived in the diasporan communities like USA where the social discourse invariably revolves around race consciousness as part of the societal dilemma. No doubt some of it has seeped into the Armenian consciousness.

[Mos]

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The thing is the term "white" can be defined so many ways. When it comes to strictly skin colour, yes Armenians are white. (I mean what else would they be??)

[Anoush]

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I have known the abuse that the Armenian girls/women endured for many years in Armenia; but I am much more appalled by what just happened to the poor orphaned 20 year old angelic mother of a little girl, Zaruhi Petrosyan who was killed and died this past October 1st by her killer husband Yannis Sarkisov and by Yannis' mother. They are about to pass a Domestic Violence Legislation in Armenia and it's about high time. It doesn't matter whether we are all white, wheat colored skin or olive colored skin; what matters is how we bring out our children, the next generation of Armenians and how much we educate and instill in them humanitarianism and Armenian patriotism. That's the essence of humanity as well as being a good Armenian soul and individual!

[Nare]

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Hello everyone from a new poster.

First I will answer the question, then will prove it...

Yes, Armenians are white.

it is strange that one of posters here to prove his point of Armenians being non white brought Kardashians as an example. I think by now everyone knows they are Native Americans from their mother's side.


Diekenes Anthropology Blog

The most frequent haplotype in a sample of Armenians was seen against the background of HG1 Y chromosomes. It occurred in all Armenian groups, at frequencies ~5-14%. According to YHRD, the same haplotype defined over more loci (14 13 29 24 11 13 12 11,14) was also the most frequent one, occurring in 3% of Armenians (*). According to Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, this is suggestive of haplogroup R1b.
The geographical distribution of this haplotype is such that it is shared by Armenians and two other populations from the Caucasus. Moreover, it is lacking in most other populations from the Caucasus, as well as in the other populations from further east. On the other hand, it is more frequently found in Europe, where as we know, haplogroup R1b tends to have higher frequencies as well.
The Armenian modal haplotype is also the modal R1b3 haplotype observed by Cinnioglu in Anatolia.


Richard Cottrell
Dennis Carvey
Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain and Ireland; 2nd Edition (Rootsweb)
R1b3 is the most common Y haplogroup among men of European decent.
Fourteen of the 30 most common haplotypes in the YSTR.org database are typical R1b3.

[Nare]

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R1b1b2 represents the largest haplogroup for Armenians in general and project members in particular. It has been estimated to be 8,000 years old. According to Vince Vizachero who runs the haplogroup R-ht35 Project: “From prior analysis, it appears that R1b1b2 moved north and west into Europe quite rapidly. And the data we are seeing in our project are consistent with that: the oldest forms of R1b1b2 are found at high frequency in the “homeland” of SW Asia and places with the most contact with that region. The closer we get to NW Europe, the more we observe the youngest, derived forms of R1b1b2.” The current distribution of this haplogroup shows a heavy concentration in Western Europe (from the Northern part of the Iberian peninsula to Ireland and England via France and Belgium) as can be seen in this MAP. The map corroborates Vince’s conclusions as it shows a 15% concentration of R1b1b2 in a Northern swath of Anatolia – with a peak of 25% in the middle of the swath. The studies on which the map makers drew sampled broadly in the region including Turks, Kurds, Georgians and Azeris. If you sample only Armenians, you get a concentration of 30% of R1b1b2. If you sample only Armenians from Karabakh and Syunik you get concentrations of more than 40%.
The distribution of the “youngest and derived forms” of R1b1b2 found mainly in Western Europe – which do not include any Armenians so far – can be viewed here. Both are the only known branches of R1b1b2a1a (ht-15): P312 = R1b1b2a1a1 and U106 = R1b1b2a1a2.
It was initially believed that R1b originated in western Europe where (considered as a whole, including subclades) it reaches its highest frequencies. However R1b’s variance increases as one moves east, leading to the view that R1b originated further east, and (M269) expanded into Europe in the Neolithic not Paleolithic. Many geneticists now believe that R1b arose in Central Asia or Western Asia.
A recent study published in january 2010 seems to corroborate all of the above. According to its authors (Balaresque et al): “Haplogroup R1b1b2 is the commonest European Y-chromosomal lineage, increasing in frequency from east to west, and carried by 110 million European men. Previous studies suggested a Paleolithic origin, but here we show that the geographical distribution of its microsatellite diversity is best explained by spread from a single source in the Near East via Anatolia during the Neolithic…
Another study published in august 2010 (Myres et al.) strengthens this view: “The phylogenetic relationships of numerous branches within the core Y-chromosome haplogroup R-M207 support a West Asian origin of haplogroup R1b, its initial differentiation there followed by a rapid spread of one of its sub-clades carrying the M269 mutation to Europe.”
R1b1b2 was carried as a rapidly expanding lineage from the Near East via Anatolia to the western fringe of Europe during the Neolithic. Our interpretation of the history of hg R1b1b2 now makes Europe a prime example of how expansion of a Y-chromosomal lineage tends to accompany technological and cultural change.” Unfortunately, the authors did not type R1b1b2 subgroups. Since their study makes raw use of the genealogical rate of mutation and does not sufficiently cover Balkan samples, their conclusions are somewhat oversimplified.
If all of the above is true, it may explain the origin of the Basques.
According to Ray Banks, administrator of the G Project at FTDNA; “G2a3a is found in significant numbers in Turkey, Greece and the eastern Mediterranean countries. G2a3a persons seems to spread wesward mostly along the Mediterranean from these regions. Very preliminary calculations suggest the M406 mutation that characterizes G2a3a arose about the year 2100 B.C.E. as a very general estimate. Detailed samples available from inland Europe were compared with detailed samples from more easterly sites, namely (1) Turkey (2) Lebanon-Jordan and (3) Armenia. These comparisons show that most Europeans have Armenians as their nearest relatives with separations from them starting generally about 1300 B.C.E. and extending into the Dark Ages period after the Roman Empire. Those with the oldest separations (generally abt 1300 B.C.E. to 800 B.C.E.) show splits with the entire group in the east — equally — rather than with a specific region. This is to be expected since the age of the mutation probably does not extend much further back.”

[Nare]

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Mongoloid HG26 YDNA in 89 Armenians frequency was 2%. 43 Scots: 2%. 30 Germans: 3%. 64 Swedish Gotlanders: 1%. 99 Italians: 6% (Rosser ZH, Zerjal T, Hurles ME, etc.). Armenians also generally have typical European YDNA haplogroups (I, R1b).

Now looking at the mtDNA, 192 Armenians have shown Asian defining mtDNA haplogroup M (found very commonly in Mongoloids and Indians) in frequency of 0%. Compared to 388 Turks (M frequency: 4.1%), 139 Georgians (2.2%) and 187 Ossetes (2.1%). Ref.: Tambets K., Kivisiild T., Metspalu E, etc.:

[Nare]

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No lol the picture with several blonde girls holding Armenian flag is real, it was sent initially to me by my friend from Diaspora.

Btw

Miss March. Hooters Calendar... is blue eyes blond Armenian girl

http://armeniansworld.com/?p=493

P.S. This post didn't come out as a reply but it is a reply I think to Mos who was doubting if there Hooters Armenian girls...There is a blond and blue Armenian Hooter girl lol

[Nare]

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I have a problem with pasting here pics, so u can check out the link for the text and examples of Nordische Armenians here http://armeniansworld.com/?p=1665

By Carleton S. Coon, The Races of Europe(Chapter VI, section 5) and
Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran


Hamshen girl. Small Armenian community in (Turkish occupied) Western Armenia.

Furthermore,

an important series of Early Iron Age crania from the Sevan district of Armenia, probably dated from the earlier half of the first millennium B.C., and probably therefore earlier than the Scyths in Europe, or at least as early as their first appearance, is exactly like the more dolichocephalic element in the Scythian group, and manifestly Nordic. The vault, like that of the Scyths, is low, the nose leptorrhine, the face leptene, with more compressed zygomata.67 (See Appendix I col. 38.) Morphologically, these Armenian skulls are characterized by a medium forehead slope, moderate browridges and muscular development; a moderately deep nasion depression, and straight or lightly convex nasal profile; a projection of the occiput which is most marked in the lower segment, and accompanied by some lambdoid flattening; a typical compression in the malar region. This series serves a double purpose: to show that a Nordic type entered into the modern Armenian blend, and to define the Iranian variety of Nordic which may have been likewise involved in the settlement of Persia and of India.68 Furthermore, it is very similar, both metrically and morphologically, to the early Germanic cranial group, and this virtual identity draws together the two geographical extremes of an originally united family.
Carleton S. Coon, The Races of Europe(Chapter VI, section 5)


Leading racialist anthropologists like * Carleton S. Coon (The Races of Europe) and * Madison Grant (The passing of the great race) clearly established the ‘Armenoid’ is a White sub-group within Dinarid and Alpinid (in turn racial sub-groups of the White race) respectively. Most Armenians and Caucasians are not even ‘Armenoid’ to begin with but are Alpines and Dinarics, so even the name is a misnomer.
Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran

ASALA

[Federate]

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Hi Nare, welcome to the forum! In order to paste pics here, copy the image location by right clicking on the pic and paste it in between these ----> [IMG] [/IMG]