Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black World

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Demographic shifts take a long time, but once the seeds are put, they are put. When it comes to "blending in" I would be careful, take a look at some of the Turks in Germany where even 2nd or 3rd generations are not blended or assimilated.

In two more they will blend in and will not be any different than any other German, how many generations did it take for the Armenians in France? The same will happen to them. They are no different than us.
Ten percent or even less will never ever be able to take over the majority; history has proven that invaders in Europe just disappear in the local population. Like the Arabs in Spain, Saxon and Norman in England.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Europe is not in danger. During a new world war, all the unwanted elements will be killed or deported, just as happened many times in history. The problems people are talking about here are the cause of the policy and mindset of the people in power in Europe, not per-se because of multiculturalism. Armenians have far more problems to be worried about than this issue (or that of mixed marriages in Armenia). We aren't in danger of a huge influx of black males who want to marry Armenian females. I think it's a typical Armenian attitude to make a huge problem and discussion out of something that is non-existing.

[Mos]

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In two more they will blend in and will not be any different than any other German, how many generations did it take for the Armenians in France? The same will happen to them. They are no different than us.
Ten percent or even less will never ever be able to take over the majority; history has proven that invaders in Europe just disappear in the local population. Like the Arabs in Spain, Saxon and Norman in England.

Yes, but with such an influx the national character of the given country is changed. The Arabs had an effect on Spanish character, Saxons on English, and so on. Rather than us accepting such influences, we need to strengthen the Armenian character and culture.

Europe is not in danger. During a new world war, all the unwanted elements will be killed or deported, just as happened many times in history. The problems people are talking about here are the cause of the policy and mindset of the people in power in Europe, not per-se because of multiculturalism. Armenians have far more problems to be worried about than this issue (or that of mixed marriages in Armenia). We aren't in danger of a huge influx of black males who want to marry Armenian females. I think it's a typical Armenian attitude to make a huge problem and discussion out of something that is non-existing.

Well I'm not saying this is a major problem, and yes there are bigger problems to Armenia, like the Artaskh issue, and the Western assimilation of Armenians. However, it's never to late to take precautions and avoid having Armenia drawn into the multicultural trap...

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Yes, but with such an influx the national character of the given country is changed. The Arabs had an effect on Spanish character, Saxons on English, and so on. Rather than us accepting such influences, we need to strengthen the Armenian character and culture.

I would say that the Turks and Persians had more effect on Armenian culture than any of those two had effect on Spanish and English culture. Armenian character and culture today has been influenced 1000 years by those cultures and even more by Persian and Hellenic. Armenia has also been influencing all of neighbors and where Armenians were living in big numbers. So the fear that you have that the 'pure' Armenian culture will be tainted or what ever by Muslims just shows how you like to ignore all of Armenian history and just want like to follow this myth that is going around about the pureness of the Armenian culture. No culture on this world is pure and every culture is being influenced by every near by culture.

Well I'm not saying this is a major problem, and yes there are bigger problems to Armenia, like the Artaskh issue, and the Western assimilation of Armenians. However, it's never to late to take precautions and avoid having Armenia drawn into the multicultural trap...

The Armenian highlands, the Caucasus and the whole freaking Middle east has been multi cultural since the dawn of men. Armenians have been living all around the middle east and other people have been living in the Armenian kingdom in big numbers too, like Greeks, Persians, xxxs etc. So where did you get the idea that we are the ones copying the Europeans. When actually they were the ones copying the great cities of the Middle East like Babylon for ages one of the most important cities in the world or Antioch, Baghdad etc. So it's not because the Europeans failed at multiculturalism that we will too in the future.

[Mos]

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I would say that the Turks and Persians had more effect on Armenian culture than any of those two had effect on Spanish and English culture. Armenian character and culture today has been influenced 1000 years by those cultures and even more by Persian and Hellenic. Armenia has also been influencing all of neighbors and where Armenians were living in big numbers. So the fear that you have that the 'pure' Armenian culture will be tainted or what ever by Muslims just shows how you like to ignore all of Armenian history and just want like to follow this myth that is going around about the pureness of the Armenian culture. No culture on this world is pure and every culture is being influenced by every near by culture.

Yes, culture is enriched from other influences. But what I'm talking about here is not about some group coming and influencing Armenian folk music, for example. What I'm talking about is the modern concept of 'multiculturalism' where national identity and patriotism is suppressed in favour of the notion that every body should mingle in order to create some 'universal identity'. We must sustain the current national identity that we have and not let Armenia turn into a multicultural hell-hole. For instance, British culture is not being influenced by Pakistani culture, it's just that British culture is being faded away and put to the side, while the notion of multicultural society takes precedent.

The Armenian highlands, the Caucasus and the whole freaking Middle east has been multi cultural since the dawn of men. Armenians have been living all around the middle east and other people have been living in the Armenian kingdom in big numbers too, like Greeks, Persians, xxxs etc. So where did you get the idea that we are the ones copying the Europeans. When actually they were the ones copying the great cities of the Middle East like Babylon for ages one of the most important cities in the world or Antioch, Baghdad etc. So it's not because the Europeans failed at multiculturalism that we will too in the future.

When did I say we are the ones copying Europeans? There's no such thinking as succeeding in multiculturalism - one multiculturalism invades your country - you have failed already.

[KarotheGreat]

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Yes, culture is enriched from other influences. But what I'm talking about here is not about some group coming and influencing Armenian folk music, for example. What I'm talking about is the modern concept of 'multiculturalism' where national identity and patriotism is suppressed in favour of the notion that every body should mingle in order to create some 'universal identity'. We must sustain the current national identity that we have and not let Armenia turn into a multicultural hell-hole. For instance, British culture is not being influenced by Pakistani culture, it's just that British culture is being faded away and put to the side, while the notion of multicultural society takes precedent.

Why are you ignoring the fact that Armenia has been multicultural in the past 5000 years? You can go back as far as you want in history and you'll see that Armenia has been multicultural. Has that destroyed Armenian culture in the past? If it had we wouldn't be Armenians today. but hey let's ignore that little fact. Please tell me how British culture is fading away? Are British women being forced to wear veils or burka? Or are they forced to convert to Islam? The Pakistani are the ones whose culture is disappearing, like the Armenian culture and identity is disappearing all around the West. Stop listing to BNP and go talk to some real Brits.

When did I say we are the ones copying Europeans? There's no such thinking as succeeding in multiculturalism - one multiculturalism invades your country - you have failed already.

Why are you ignoring the fact that multiculturalism has existed in the Middle-East, Caucasus and the Armenian highlands since day one. If you are really against multiculturalism you should support facts like Armenians being deported from Azerbaijan, in the future they can be deported from Syria etc. Like Armenia is for Armenian Christian those states are for their people following their religion. Or you can cut this BS.

[Mos]

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Why are you ignoring the fact that Armenia has been multicultural in the past 5000 years? You can go back as far as you want in history and you'll see that Armenia has been multicultural. Has that destroyed Armenian culture in the past? If it had we wouldn't be Armenians today. but hey let's ignore that little fact. Please tell me how British culture is fading away? Are British women being forced to wear veils or burka? Or are they forced to convert to Islam? The Pakistani are the ones whose culture is disappearing, like the Armenian culture and identity is disappearing all around the West. Stop listing to BNP and go talk to some real Brits.

All cultures have been influenced by other cultures and have developed from other cultures. My point here is not about such cultural development, but about a modern concept that society should conform to the cultures of others in order to create this universal or global identity, which obviously de-emphasises original culture and national character. Why should Armenia's society have to also make such changes? Why can't we sustain our national character and not have to fall into this trap? Armenia should remain a country for Armenians, by Armenians, forbearing our identity and culture. It should always be the homeland for the Armenian people and not turn into turn away from what it is supposed to be. Changing the society to fit this 'multicultural' model will surely destroy Armenia as a country which is supposed to be all these things, especially by letting people from Africa or Muslim countries come en masse and 'rape' Armenian society.

In Western Europe, I'm not talking about women being converted to Islam (though it's usually Muslim men going to Armenia and converting women there) but more about the society that has been created based on these multicultural values, where society has had to conform to all these people, many of the places losing thus a national character. While they may be able to survive to an extent, Armenia won't, because as Western assimilation kills Armenians in the West and does other terrible things to them (like turning them in to prostitutes) a similar Western force can also decay Armenia.

Even Angel Merkel of Germany admitted to failure of this multicultral policy:

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has courted growing anti-immigrant opinion in Germany by claiming the country's attempts to create a multicultural society have "utterly failed".

Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily "side by side" did not work.

She said the onus was on immigrants to do more to integrate into German society.

"This [multicultural] approach has failed, utterly failed," Merkel told the meeting in Potsdam, west of Berlin, yesterday.

Her remarks will stir a debate about immigration in a country which is home to around 4 million Muslims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

Why are you ignoring the fact that multiculturalism has existed in the Middle-East, Caucasus and the Armenian highlands since day one. If you are really against multiculturalism you should support facts like Armenians being deported from Azerbaijan, in the future they can be deported from Syria etc. Like Armenia is for Armenian Christian those states are for their people following their religion. Or you can cut this BS.

The "multiculturalism" in let's say some states like Iran is not the same as that of in Western Europe. For example, in Iran Armenians as a group and are given rights to do so. They live effectively separate from rest of Persians and Persian society has not been forced to change because of such groups, while this multiculturalism in W. Europe is a whole different animal. Yezdis in Armenia live peacefully and have helped the Armenian state a lot, but they are in all divided from Armenian society to an extent and our society or national character has not had to change in order to incorporate 'Yezdis'. Having inter-racial/religious marriages and encouraging them in Armenia with such multicultural mindsets, will destroy Armenian society as we know it.

[Armanen]

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Mos, I agree with you for the most part. And I also think Tigranakert is correct to when he states that non Armenian migration to Armenia is not an issue currently and will not be one for many years.

[ara87]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

A half black half armenian singing at some Armenian festival

http://www.kefmusic.com/12601.html

You can read about him and the band at the link above.

There are plenty of half Armenians in my local Armo community that know more Armenian than many full Armenians including myself, and many of them date other Armenians and one who is half mexican just married another armenian. And an armo girl is engaged to a black guy, who is learning armenian, and got baptized in our church and teaches with her at sunday school. The only half Armo who doesn't regurally associate with the community is this half vietnamese one, b/c he lives like an over an hour away, but he comes every year for all three days of our Armenia Fest.


Here's another sev guy singing in Armenian in Stavropol, Russia. No idea if he's half Armenian or just knows it

[Mos]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

A half black half armenian singing at some Armenian festival

http://www.kefmusic.com/12601.html

You can read about him and the band at the link above.

There are plenty of half Armenians in my local Armo community that know more Armenian than many full Armenians including myself, and many of them date other Armenians and one who is half mexican just married another armenian. And an armo girl is engaged to a black guy, who is learning armenian, and got baptized in our church and teaches with her at sunday school. The only half Armo who doesn't regurally associate with the community is this half vietnamese one, b/c he lives like an over an hour away, but he comes every year for all three days of our Armenia Fest.


Here's another sev guy singing in Armenian in Stavropol, Russia. No idea if he's half Armenian or just knows it

That's very sad. And what community is this? Has that girl you talk about been kicked out of her family for making such a horrible choice?