Kurds are enemy or friend?

[Haykakan]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Have you looked at some of the maps of greater Armenia? Don't these maps cover other countries besides turcky? Does that mean we armenians cant be trusted?

[Armanen]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

The yezdi population is insignificant and has never posed a threat to us. Our own religion has peagan elements to it so it makes sence that we are closer to the yezdi then the kurd. But what you do not mention is that thousends of kurds in hayastan are now more armenian then kurd. They have adopted christianity and learned our languadge and customs and are now Armenians. This is proof of how we can grow our country through tolorance.

I like the Yezdi people, many of them fought in Artsakh. I just wanted to make a distinction between muslim kurds and the Yezdi, whom I think we can work with better, that is all.

[Armanen]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Its kind of funny that you think there is some sort of pure armenian bloodline. Think about it for a minute. Armenia sits on the silk road and we look like pretty much anyone else (europens, arabs, persians, kurds...). It is 100% sertain that our genes have a diverse background which is the result of intermixing with so many different people. Now can you please tell me why that persian guy cant be Armenian if he wants to? Not to mention that the persians are genetically the same as us. I guess it would really piss you racists off if you found out that turcks are pretty much genetically the same as us to because of intermixing for so long. The concept of armenian is based on culture not genetics, if it was based on genetics there would not be any countries.

That mixing was due more to force than anything else. It was quite common for women to be raped and/or kidnapped and taken to turkish harems. Most turks, especially those in the west of turkey, are actually genetically speaking closer to the peoples of the Caucasus and Balkans than the seljuks, ottomans and other turkic tribes who came west from Central Asia.
What you are advocating is mixing by choice which is very different.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Have you looked at some of the maps of greater Armenia? Don't these maps cover other countries besides turcky? Does that mean we armenians cant be trusted?

Greater Armenia existed in ancient times and it’s not only on Armenian maps, you can find it on lots of historic maps, but you cannot find Kurdistan on any historic maps. Kurds think if they’ve walked on certain lands it should be called Kurdistan. Turks displaced tem and put them on Armenian lands and now they claim these lands as Kurdistan.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Some homework if you like to read:

http://www.aina.org/guesteds/20080416165822.htm

http://www.fredaprim.com/pdfs/2004/Assyrians%20and%20Kurds%20in%20Iraq.pdf

[Haykakan]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Greater Armenia existed in ancient times and it’s not only on Armenian maps, you can find it on lots of historic maps, but you cannot find Kurdistan on any historic maps. Kurds think if they’ve walked on certain lands it should be called Kurdistan. Turks displaced tem and put them on Armenian lands and now they claim these lands as Kurdistan.

We do not live in ancient times. Borders constantly change and always have throughout history. Kurds are nomadic people so they never settled in one place but they were always around that region. We lived with kurds for a loong time as neighbors and should they get their own state then it will be official. Maybe we will get something to if turcky falls apart but that may or may not happen. We Armenians need to figure out a way to populate the lands we already have and prosper there before we can think of gettin back our historic lands.

[Armanen]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Maybe we will get something to if turcky falls apart but that may or may not happen. We Armenians need to figure out a way to populate the lands we already have and prosper there before we can think of gettin back our historic lands.

That's true we should work on making better use of the lands we have, which includes increasing the population. But with such a small and resource less land, with hostile neighbors it will be hard. Also, we shouldn't forget that kurds have their interests, as we do, so our task is to make sure if Armenia does help them it is in a way which then we will become useless for them. The best option for Armenia to follow in regards to turkey is 'bait and bleed'.

[Parskahay]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

even if we dont get any land from turkey at least we know that we have 1 less hostile neighbor

[Yedtarts]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

We do not live in ancient times. Borders constantly change and always have throughout history. Kurds are nomadic people so they never settled in one place but they were always around that region. We lived with kurds for a loong time as neighbors and should they get their own state then it will be official. Maybe we will get something to if turcky falls apart but that may or may not happen. We Armenians need to figure out a way to populate the lands we already have and prosper there before we can think of gettin back our historic lands.

The difference between us and them is: it was them who backstabbed their good neighbor, raped and kidnapped our wives and daughters every time they felt we were week that is why they cannot be trusted.
Kurd are friendly only when they’re week and need us.

[crusader1492]

Re: Kurds are enemy or friend?

Yetards is correct...and to drive the point home, I can tell you that the Assyrian (Christian) population of northern Iraq is deathly afraid of the Kurds.
I know this from first-hand experience when I did a tour in Baghdad as I approached by Assyrian leadership who related their fear that once the US leaves, they would be massacred by the Kurds.
Remember, this is the present - modern times. It seems the Genocidal tendencies have not changed among Kurds.

With that said, Armenia should only interact with the Kurds based on national interests...trust should never enter the equation.