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  • #221
    Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    What excuse did your boss have for chewing you out, why do you have money troubles, why are people taking your home away from you and why doesn't anyone give a sh!t about your problems and fix your car for free? The fact is in Western society, you're on your own and nobody gives a sh!t about your problems. They have their own.
    DUDE! Wth does this have to do with my saying that "Yes, live sucks! Don't use that as an excuse to be a xxxxty human being?" I didn't ask WHY life sucks. I'm just saying when people do crap like that they need to own it and not make excuses for themselves. I don't know how many times to repeat the same point and have you reply with something unrelated. I don't understand your purpose... maybe you're confusing me by quoting what I'm saying.



    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    I didn't disagree, I added an additional myth to the equation. Laws are made for people who follow them. People who don't follow laws don't care how many are written in the books.
    Ah, well yes then... Laws are of limited utility; we're in agreement. Hallelujah!



    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    You said this was going on for a long time, which means you would have to have known it was going on
    You're talking about my aunt? They kept it a secret until her kids called the police. Then they all promptly left the house, filed restraining orders, and then she filed for divorce. By the time we knew this had happened, it was pretty much over.
    What we did was help in the aftermath. Giving them a place to stay, helping financially, helping them find a new place to live, helping her rebuild her self-esteem and feel comfortable with making decisions herself (she was afraid to decide even the smallest things for herself because she was never permitted to make any decisions), helping them get into therapy, find a new place to live, etc. Just generally, being supportive and helpful in any way we could. This was a broken woman who had to learn how to stand on her own for the first time in her life.
    [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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    • #222
      Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

      Originally posted by Siggie View Post
      DUDE! Wth does this have to do with my saying that "Yes, live sucks! Don't use that as an excuse to be a xxxxty human being?" I didn't ask WHY life sucks. I'm just saying when people do crap like that they need to own it and not make excuses for themselves. I don't know how many times to repeat the same point and have you reply with something unrelated. I don't understand your purpose... maybe you're confusing me by quoting what I'm saying.
      So when people around you are the ones that are xxxxty and causing the problems, then how are you supposed to overcome all of that? You can't judge people without having walked in their shoes.


      Originally posted by Siggie View Post

      You're talking about my aunt? They kept it a secret until her kids called the police. Then they all promptly left the house, filed restraining orders, and then she filed for divorce. By the time we knew this had happened, it was pretty much over.
      What we did was help in the aftermath. Giving them a place to stay, helping financially, helping them find a new place to live, helping her rebuild her self-esteem and feel comfortable with making decisions herself (she was afraid to decide even the smallest things for herself because she was never permitted to make any decisions), helping them get into therapy, find a new place to live, etc. Just generally, being supportive and helpful in any way we could. This was a broken woman who had to learn how to stand on her own for the first time in her life.
      I'm just thinking, there are tell tale signs of abuse, perhaps you weren't that close or someone knew and looked the other way. I know it's not that clear cut but usually there are signs.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • #223
        Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post

        I'm just thinking, there are tell tale signs of abuse, perhaps you weren't that close or someone knew and looked the other way. I know it's not that clear cut but usually there are signs.
        I think we had family in Iran who suspected, but didn't say anything. We had no idea.

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        So when people around you are the ones that are xxxxty and causing the problems, then how are you supposed to overcome all of that? You can't judge people without having walked in their shoes.
        So, you're saying there are some justified reasons for beating one's wife?
        [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
        -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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        • #224
          Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          So, you're saying there are some justified reasons for beating one's wife?
          Are there justified reasons for people fighting? Are there justified reasons for war? Are there justified reasons for women beating their husbands? Sisters fighting with brothers? Maybe we are just violent animals with no self control.
          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          • #225
            Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Are there justified reasons for people fighting? Are there justified reasons for war? Are there justified reasons for women beating their husbands? Sisters fighting with brothers? Maybe we are just violent animals with no self control.
            Answering questions with questions? Note, I'm talking about individual adults and we you made that comment in the context of talking about domestic abuse. That is why I asked you that specific question which you deliberately did not answer.
            Ah, so now people lack self-control?
            [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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            • #226
              Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

              Originally posted by Siggie View Post
              Answering questions with questions? Note, I'm talking about individual adults and we you made that comment in the context of talking about domestic abuse. That is why I asked you that specific question which you deliberately did not answer.
              Ah, so now people lack self-control?
              Domestic abuse stems from society as a whole. You can't factor out all the external environmental elements that cause it. You're asking if there are any reasons why someone abuses another person. If you're believe that we act on logic then there would have to be a reason. What those reasons are/were are only known by the people involved and if there isn't a witness, nobody truly knows what goes on. Men and women tend to lose their marbles every now and then which is why it's good to have other people around to set them straight.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #227
                Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                Domestic abuse stems from society as a whole.
                So wouldn't it help reduce it if Armenians stand up and say this is unacceptable behavior?

                Also, no... I didn't say people are always rational. Sadly, we're often not, although we should always strive to be.
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                • #228
                  Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  So wouldn't it help reduce it if Armenians stand up and say this is unacceptable behavior?
                  Words hardly ever change behaviour once behaviour sets in. Behaviour is learned from example and is difficult to change. It's something that has to be taught from the onset and society as a whole at the moment doesn't do a great job of setting an example. If there are Armenians that think this is acceptable behaviour, then I don't know where they learned it from.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #229
                    Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    Words hardly ever change behaviour once behaviour sets in. Behaviour is learned from example and is difficult to change. It's something that has to be taught from the onset and society as a whole at the moment doesn't do a great job of setting an example. If there are Armenians that think this is acceptable behaviour, then I don't know where they learned it from.
                    If every individual waits to see a change in society, that change will never come.
                    Isn't there an Armenian saying about women being like wool i.e. requiring beating to make soft?
                    Perhaps some of our members who reside in Armenia can answer your question. Unfortunately, I fear they've long since checked out of this thread.
                    [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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                    • #230
                      Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

                      Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                      Isn't there an Armenian saying about women being like wool i.e. requiring beating to make soft?
                      Never heard of this before.
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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