Armenia for Armenians

[Surenas]

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Iran is a theocratic state and Muslim women in Iran aren't allowed to marry a non-Muslim men. The problem with Islam is that it isn't a reasonable religion and it expects everything on it's own terms. Which is no small part of the reason why it is always in conflict with other faiths and cultures.

I'm not a Muslim, but I think this hypocrite. If you look a the Old Testament, Christianity is just as disgusting as the Islam is. God who's order to genocide, girls who are being raped and the dead penalty for breaking the Sabbath. Are you willing to discuss that that kind of things are reasonable? Christianity had also their problems with other faiths and cultures in their past and is at the beginning of many wars. The difference is that the people in Europe had their Age of Enlightment and saw that many religious rules are outdated. I truly support such kind of revolution in the Islamic world, but I think eventually it would happen. Personally, I don't can understand how a modern person can believe in such fairy tales.

[jgk3]

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The difference is that the people in Europe had their Age of Enlightment and saw that many religious rules are outdated.

Only because they realized it's more profitable to become bankers and control the economy (and peoples' lives) with loans, than to wage wars. In the meantime, they happily colonized the world under the guise of peace and progress, and extinguished entire nations of aboriginals wherever they went. And the whole time, they exported a Christianity highly intolerant of these heathen savages.

So in a sense, it became understood that internal religious wars were outdated, only because there was nothing worthwhile to plunder in Europe. Everyone's hands were stained with so much blood, but the Age of Enlightment was an occaison to cover this bloody hand with a nice, clean white glove to show off, without ever truly washing ones' own hand.

[KanadaHye]

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I think jgk3 put it together rather well. The only reason Europe works so well without people abiding by 'outdated' religious rules is because they are controlled by the wealthy who have imposed a socialistic system onto the people. As long as you're working, you're taken care of by the system so you don't have to worry about how you live as there are no advantages or disadvantages either way. When the bankers start reeling in on the debt, Europe will fall so far into poverty that it will make the dark ages seem bright.

[Mos]

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Well the point of this thread was regarding, the increasing amount of Iranians that are moving and settling in Armenia, and marrying local women, in the process converting the women and children to Islam. For a small country like ours (with a very low birth rate!) this is a big problem, and we have to control it immediately, or else the conclusion is going to be very bad. The ethnic minorities in our country have to be kept at a minimum - and Armenians from abroad rather encouraged to move to Armenia. A friend told me that increasing amount of babies born in the Yerevan hospitals are born to Persian fathers. Armenia is a nation for Armenians, and we have to keep it that way.

[KanadaHye]

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I guess Armenian culture just needs to be pushed harder in Armenia.

[Eddo211]

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Are we sure about this? It does not sound like something Iranis would do in large scale. I do know that many Iranian born Armenians go to Armenia to take on a wife but Persians? hmm

Either way I must be the only one who is not as worried about Armenians assimilating away into oblivion just because of our past record in history. There will always be some who do that or marry Odars but that is true in any society, and the fact that Armenians are already low on population and we are not popping too many kids per family we are at higher risk but somehow I have faith that will not be the case for us.

Maybe I am too optimistic? I have seen young guys who are only quarter Armenian, cant speak or have any good knowledge of our history, complain about how they dont fit in with other Armenians but regardless they always date Armenian girls, work for Armenians, and have Armenian friends.

[Mos]

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The most important thing here is not blood, let me highlight that. In the end the genetic differences between people are minuscule, we humans are so close together in terms of DNA, more than any other specie. Especially DNA differences between the people around us, it's scientifically laughable that we can divide ourselves on the basis of such minuscule differences. What should divide us is our culture and mindset, more than anything. I will take a quarter Armenian who speaks the language, is patriotic, and holds our culture, over a full armenian, who has no knowledge of Armenian or our history any day. Converting an Armenian to Islam, is pretty much taking a very big chunk if not all of the "Armenianess" from the person. Our Christian church is crucial to our identity. And the most important thing of all, is the Armenian upbringing, growing up in an Armenian household with Armenian values.

[gegev]

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I'm not a Muslim, but I think this hypocrite. If you look a the Old Testament, Christianity is just as disgusting as the Islam is. God who's order to genocide, girls who are being raped and the dead penalty for breaking the Sabbath. Are you willing to discuss that that kind of things are reasonable? Christianity had also their problems with other faiths and cultures in their past and is at the beginning of many wars. The difference is that the people in Europe had their Age of Enlightment and saw that many religious rules are outdated. I truly support such kind of revolution in the Islamic world, but I think eventually it would happen. Personally, I don't can understand how a modern person can believe in such fairy tales.

Only hypocrites can compare Christian religion to Muslim one. Just remember AG, 9/11 and thousands of similar historical facts. Christian religion doesn’t consider the people, who are proponents of other religions as “gavurs” and second grade people.

Open your eyes to see all the palette of colors!!!

[Odar]

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What about the expulsion and persecution of xxxs, Muslims, Hindus, "heathens"? What about the discrimination of Protestants by Catholics, Catholics by Protestants, "Old Believers", Molokans and non-Chalcedonian denominations by the Greek/Russian Orthodox?

Let's face it, the main reason why the so-called "Christians" are not skinning each other alive anymore lies probably in the fact that you can make better business with the living than with the dead. Though I don't underestimate the influence of those people who fought to erase all kind of prejudices against people of different ethnicity/faith/etc.

The problem is, first, there's no "Love Thy Enemy" commandment in the Koran (correct me if I'm wrong), and second, Islam never had anything like Reform, Enlightenment, philosophy. Its more rationalistic and tolerant representatives have all been silenced and long forgotten, therefore those among them who are not fanatic bigots can only count on their own brains and hearts and not on the words of their scriptures. Which doesn't really help when your adversary is either ready to slash your throat or is a corrupt satrap backed by greedy foreign governments.

[KanadaHye]

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What about the expulsion and persecution of xxxs, Muslims, Hindus, "heathens"? What about the discrimination of Protestants by Catholics, Catholics by Protestants, "Old Believers", Molokans and non-Chalcedonian denominations by the Greek/Russian Orthodox?

Let's face it, the main reason why the so-called "Christians" are not skinning each other alive anymore lies probably in the fact that you can make better business with the living than with the dead. Though I don't underestimate the influence of those people who fought to erase all kind of prejudices against people of different ethnicity/faith/etc.

The problem is, first, there's no "Love Thy Enemy" commandment in the Koran (correct me if I'm wrong), and second, Islam never had anything like Reform, Enlightenment, philosophy. Its more rationalistic and tolerant representatives have all been silenced and long forgotten, therefore those among them who are not fanatic bigots can only count on their own brains and hearts and not on the words of their scriptures. Which doesn't really help when your adversary is either ready to slash your throat or is a corrupt satrap backed by greedy foreign governments.

Islam never had reform, enlightenment, philosophy? There have been MANY Muslim achievements that have advanced civilization. What we see and hear today is created by the media of western governments who fully support those greedy foreign governments which they brought to power in order to exploit the people and plunder the land so we in the west can live "civilized".

I would have to add that there are no other people in the world who have a less tainted history than the Armenians. Our ambitions were simply to live as Armenians on our own land up until world powers decided that it wasn't in their interest to have an influential Armenia in the region because they knew we would not have been as easily exploited as the Arabs, Turks or Kurds.