Armenia for Armenians

[KanadaHye]

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Isn't the Khazar hypothesis the same upheld by Shlomo Sand in "The Invention Of The xxxish People"? I haven't read that book, however I agree with him on one point, that Zionism, like most nationalisms, is a 19th century's Europe product.

The tragically funny thing is that now whoever can claim 1/4 xxxish blood is allowed to "return" to Israel (unless they converted to another religion!)) and to enjoy full citizenship and stuff, while so many Palestinians, who are probably the descendants of those xxxs who never left the country, are not.

The Zionist movement was more about population and land transfer than historical sense. Hurry up, leave everything that you've worked for and come to the promised land where you'll be greeted by angry neighbours.

[Odar]

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Nationalism as an ideology has usually little to do with historical, and common sense.

[KanadaHye]

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Since the idea of family/tribes/culture is outdated, the only thing people can attribute themselves to is the state/province/nation/country they belong to. So in essence, the state is your family... a family that works you like a slave, taxes you and tosses you on the streets or in jail if you don't obey.

[jgk3]

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Since the idea of family/tribes/culture is outdated, the only thing people can attribute themselves to is the state/province/nation/country they belong to. So in essence, the state is your family... a family that works you like a slave, taxes you and tosses you on the streets or in jail if you don't obey.

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[bell-the-cat]

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The "Islam" you are eluding to is actually a political system true of every theocratic state. Islam as a whole is rather hard to label one way or another, it is a culture that basically finds its identity in using the Koran as its scripture. That's it. What groups and individuals did with that varies. The Arabs championed advances in agriculture, architecture, medicine, urban planning, mathematics, weaponry, and just about any technology (which is not only the knowledge of, but more importantly its implementation) that the Europeans looked upon with awe during the Middle Ages.

The Muslim literate class was often drawn towards the classics of antiquity whenever the political leadership did not make barriers for its study. When it did ban such study, it also tended to persecute the spiritually divergent Sufis who did not wish to practice Islam the way the state wanted.

Odar is right that the fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam is the lack of that "love thy enemy" philosophy in Islam. While it has had its share of murderous fanatics, in Christianity "oppose" generally means passively desist and resist. In Islam "oppose" means aggressively confront and destroy. From its outset to the present day Islam is characterised by violent acts and organised expansionist warfare, and has been violently opposed to anything it sees as being un-Islamic. Islam called the territories it did not control the "land of war" and their populations were subhuman, mere dogs. These were regions where all Muslims had a duty to enter and, when there, kill and plunder at will (and how they did, killing or enslaving hundreds of millions). That philosophy still remains central to the World-view of Islamists - destroy with violence anything that is not Islamic, and anything that is not a perfect form of Islam. You say that "Islam as a whole is rather hard to label one way or another", strange then that so many leaders of Islam profess to have a perfect understanding of what true Islam is, and what it isn't! But truth is, the only people who can really understand what it is like to live in a society dominated by Islam are those who have the misfortune of living in it.

[bell-the-cat]

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The Zionist movement was more about population and land transfer than historical sense. Hurry up, leave everything that you've worked for and come to the promised land where you'll be greeted by angry neighbours.

The Zionist movement is more like very large tribe, a mafia without initiation rights since you are born into it.

Or a golf club for xxxs only.

[retro]

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Like to add this: 90% of European J3ws are j3wish by religion they are Caucasians (Khazaers) they have nothing to do with being Semites or Palestine.
In j3wish logic if every j3w can claim Palestine as their homeland then every Christian can claim Anatolia as their homeland too.
All Armenians belong to our homeland because we all are from there. That’s not the case for all j3ws .

The Jews don't just claim "Palestine" but much of the Near East and remember they usurped Canaan under the guise of their religion.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/images/greater-israel-map5.jpg

Around a third of the Jews parental ancestry is of Hellenic origin and they have a lot of European maternal ancestry. However Jews are a ethnoreligious nation and they aren't a race of people as such.

Look at the centre of the following chart of Western Eurasians in the link below.

Ashkenazi = ASH
Sephardim = SEJ
Sicilians = SIS

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8ab7ee114322838

Ashkenazi/Sephardim Jews are a mixture of things. However they closerly related to Sicilians, Greeks and Cypriots at least ethnically.

The little green diamonds - ARM are Armenians and they cluster with the Western Asian/Near Eastern group on the right. The Europeans are on the right and centre in the case of the Southern Europe.

[Mos]

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The Jews don't just claim "Palestine" but much of the Near East and remember they usurped Canaan under the guise of their religion.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/images/greater-israel-map5.jpg

Around a third of the Jews parental ancestry is of Hellenic origin and they have a lot of European maternal ancestry. However Jews are a ethnoreligious nation and they aren't a race of people as such.

Look at the centre of the following chart of Western Eurasians in the link below.

Ashkenazi = ASH
Sephardim = SEJ
Sicilians = SIS

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8ab7ee114322838

Ashkenazi/Sephardim Jews are a mixture of things. However they closerly related to Sicilians, Greeks and Cypriots at least ethnically.

The little green diamonds - ARM are Armenians and they cluster with the Western Asian/Near Eastern group on the right. The Europeans are on the right and centre in the case of the Southern Europe.

We seem to be right by the Georgians/Kurds, not surprising as they have been our neighbours for a very long time. In my opinion dividing people by genetics is BS and backwards, as it's truly laughable the minuscule differences that people utilize to set one group apart from another group. DNA is not what divides us, that's all in the mind, it's culture.

[retro]

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I'm not a Muslim, but I think this hypocrite. If you look a the Old Testament, Christianity is just as disgusting as the Islam is. God who's order to genocide, girls who are being raped and the dead penalty for breaking the Sabbath. Are you willing to discuss that that kind of things are reasonable? Christianity had also their problems with other faiths and cultures in their past and is at the beginning of many wars. The difference is that the people in Europe had their Age of Enlightment and saw that many religious rules are outdated. I truly support such kind of revolution in the Islamic world, but I think eventually it would happen. Personally, I don't can understand how a modern person can believe in such fairy tales.

Whilst manifest destiny and divine providence where used, as justification for European expansion in the America's. Western imperialism has far more to do with the expansion of global trade and capitalism than Christianity.

Christianity may of shaped the moral values and character of Christian societies. However the vast majority of Christians are modern secular people. Not irrational, religious fantics who are intent upon imposing their religion on the rest of world.

Jesus was a religious reformer and for the first two centuries of it's existence Christianity was in effect a secret society that communicated in cyphers. Christianity is diametrically opposed to Rabbinic Judaism and the aim of the New Testament was to fulfill and overturn the Old Testament.

Their is no such thing as a moderate Muslim and Islam is a insidious, Arab cultural-political doctrine, that masquerades as a religion and it's incapable of coexistence, moderation or meaningful secular reform.

Religion is all about social control and it's not hard to see how a narrow, monolithic religious view can be used to limit peoples potential and hold people back. Even if they have a strong collective sense of identity. Oriental psychs are geared towards tribalism, which is why they are often unable to transcended, autocratic forms of government.

[Odar]

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Their is no such thing as a moderate Muslim

So you're saying that the Islamists are right, when they claim that those Muslims who are not with them are hypocrites?