Armenia for Armenians

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Actually it means that ones it is leased non of them both can break the legal contract, even it's the government. If you start breaking legal contracts the other companies that lease will just leave, so the only thing is that the ground is not their name everything else like the building and such is on their name.

Don't forget foreign civilians who wish to purchase land or house. Of course Armenian government won't break this contract liberally, however, fact remains fact that it has the ability to terminate the lease and thus deprive the company/person of that land. Why didn't the government just let the land be under the name? Well, in my opinion, it's to prevent rich Turks/Kurds from buying large areas in Armenia (for example if the border was opened), at least when they do so, they don't own the land officially, and that's a big thing. And this also gets back to the migration policies.

[retro]

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It can be done however the state would be compelled to pay some form of token compensation and seize the land and property under a premise.

A lease is a legal title and not even governments can't completely flout the rule of law. Since the courts may rule against them and make no mistake. The courts have the power to order the arrest of even government ministers.

[Mos]

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It can be done gowever the state would be compelled to pay some form of token compensation and seize the land and property under a premise.

A lease is a legal title and not even governments can't completely flout the rule of law. Since the courts may rule against them and make no mistake. The courts have the power to order the arrest of even government ministers.

First of all Armenia isn't some developed EU country. It's a post-soviet country with still a good amount of corruption and legal loop holes. If you have the money/acquaintances you can do anything you want in Armenia. There have been cases where rich people and powerful people have done something bad (like murder) and gotten away with it as they had the resources to quiet the courts. It's all about connections and relatives.

A lease in the end of the day is a legal contract, and if the government really wants it can find a suitable "reason" and break the contract. The courts naturally will follow if the government is intent on getting back that land.

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First of all Armenia isn't some developed EU country. It's a post-soviet country with still a good amount of corruption and legal loop holes. If you have the money/acquaintances you can do anything you want in Armenia. There have been cases where rich people and powerful people have done something bad (like murder) and gotten away with it as they had the resources to quiet the courts. It's all about connections and relatives.

A lease in the end of the day is a legal contract, and if the government really wants it can find a suitable "reason" and break the contract. The courts naturally will follow if the government is intent on getting back that land.

Armenia isn't Zimbabwe and land seizure would place the government against all sorts of powerful intrests. Which is not a safe place for the ruling junta to be politically. What is more even if the the courts are a rubber stamp. They would interpret this sort of thing, as a direct challenge to the judiciaries authority and they won't like it at all.

[Mos]

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Armenia isn't Zimbabwe and land seizure would place the government against all sorts of powerful intrests. Which is not a safe place for the ruling junta to be politically. What is more even if the the courts are a rubber stamp. They would interpret this sort of thing, as a direct challenge to the judiciaries authority and they won't like it at all.

I'm sure Armenian government can come up with a reason to take the land if needed. Yeah it's not Zimbabwe, but it's still corrupt. Plus the courts are in the hands of the government. I highly doubt the judiciaries are thinking about their authority rather they are thinking about their pockets which the government can very easily fill. And all this is under the table of course. Plus I'll be interested to know the land policies in other developed countries.

[lampron]

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There have been cases where rich people and powerful people have done something bad (like murder) and gotten away with it as they had the resources to quiet the courts. It's all about connections and relatives.

A lease in the end of the day is a legal contract, and if the government really wants it can find a suitable "reason" and break the contract. The courts naturally will follow if the government is intent on getting back that land.

what is to stop Turkish businessmen in the future buying long leases and the Armenian government not being able to take the land back, because of political pressure from Turkey, or the from investors themselves?
Turkish businessmen could have the same power as Armenian oligarchs have today

[lampron]

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Just because one is not pro-dashnak doesn't make him an idiot. It's the person who thinks all real Armenians are dashnaks who's the real moron. All the points I've made are reasonable, either attempt to refute them or stop with the personal insults, and it just shows you have no argument left and thus have resorted to more immature means.

this is probably for another thread but the Dashnak party has had both a positive and a negative role. Negative, because most party bosses regarded the interests of the party above those of the Armenian people, so they didn't care if the nation became divided in the process. But generally Armenian political parties in the diaspora behaved in a very primitive way, in some ways acting more like social clubs than political parties - learning little from the democratic systems of countries where they were situated

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what is to stop Turkish businessmen in the future buying long leases and the Armenian government not being able to take the land back, because of political pressure from Turkey, or the from investors themselves?
Turkish businessmen could have the same power as Armenian oligarchs have today

Not much and if I where you I'd force foreign residents to rent. As non-Armenians should not be allowed to privately own either the titles or leaseholds to land or property. Otherwise the chances are that Armenia's establishment will sell the Armenian peoples inheritance out to foreign intrests.

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I'm sure Armenian government can come up with a reason to take the land if needed. Yeah it's not Zimbabwe, but it's still corrupt. Plus the courts are in the hands of the government. I highly doubt the judiciaries are thinking about their authority rather they are thinking about their pockets which the government can very easily fill. And all this is under the table of course. Plus I'll be interested to know the land policies in other developed countries.

In relation to what, property seizure, usage or ownership? Much depends upon the legal system and property rights are subject all sorts of laws (even in Armenia).

Contrary to what you seemingly think. It's not easy for the state to legitimately confiscate property or strip people of titles without awarding compensation.

Robbing foreign property investors is the sort of thing that Turkish 'property developers' do. However this really isn't smart and it certainly won't make them any friends.

[Mos]

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what is to stop Turkish businessmen in the future buying long leases and the Armenian government not being able to take the land back, because of political pressure from Turkey, or the from investors themselves?
Turkish businessmen could have the same power as Armenian oligarchs have today

At least the Turkish companies would not own the land, plus I doubt Turkish companies/business would succeed in Armenia.

this is probably for another thread but the Dashnak party has had both a positive and a negative role. Negative, because most party bosses regarded the interests of the party above those of the Armenian people, so they didn't care if the nation became divided in the process. But generally Armenian political parties in the diaspora behaved in a very primitive way, in some ways acting more like social clubs than political parties - learning little from the democratic systems of countries where they were situated

I look at more their politics, I understand the social clubs and cultural awareness that they have spread and that's all good, and I give credit to them for that, as it's important to have the diaspora at least be aware of Armenia and its politics.