Armenia for Armenians

[bell-the-cat]

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So you're saying that the Islamists are right, when they claim that those Muslims who are not with them are hypocrites?

Aren't they actually saying that those Muslims who are not with them are not true Muslims? (I.e. there are plenty of moderate people who would consider themselves to be Muslims, but there is no such thing as moderate Islam)

[Yedtarts]

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The little green diamonds - ARM are Armenians and they cluster with the Western Asian/Near Eastern group on the right. The Europeans are on the right and centre in the case of the Southern Europe.

These green diamonds are real Armenians or j3wish Armenians?
And one more thing: does j3wish Armenians have the same DNAs as the rest of us, what I mean is, are they originally Armenians that took j3wish religion or they're something else came to Armenia learned the language and got mixed with us?

[Odar]

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A hypocrite in Islam is one who saw Islam; accepted its principles; embraced it; went along with it, but when his life style and preferences were challenged, Islam had failed with him. He knowingly wouldn't follow Islam because it would violate a certain life style that he adopted, ego, or standard that is too important to him, even though it directly violates Islam

A hypocrite is a "Muslim". He is not an apostate (murtadd), nor is he a polytheist or idol worshiper (mushrik), nor is he an atheist (mulhid). A hypocrite does declare Islam as his religion, and in some cases even prays to GOD Almighty and fasts the month of Ramadan.

Source: https://www.answering-christianity.c..._hypocrite.htm

As far as I can understand, those Muslims who prefer minding their own business instead of enlisting for martyrdom or patrolling the neighbourhood in search of alcohol, shaven chins and unveiled women are to be considered "hypocrites" and not "apostates", unless they openly oppose the Islamists.

Not that it makes that much of a difference for a cut-throat.

[retro]

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These green diamonds are real Armenians or j3wish Armenians?
And one more thing: does j3wish Armenians have the same DNAs as the rest of us, what I mean is, are they originally Armenians that took j3wish religion or they're something else came to Armenia learned the language and got mixed with us?

The green diamonds are "real" Armenians. lol I am not that familar with Armenian or mountain xxxs. However do I know that Iranian and Iraqi xxxs are mostly of Assyrian origins (as the Assyrians brought them north as captives). The xxxs also have a small Central Asian component and nomdic xxxish herders could of ended up just about anywhere. Where xxxs differ from Armenians is the xxxs have Afro-Asiatic/Hellenic ancestry. Whilst the Armenians are far closer to indigenous Fertile Crescent populations.

[retro]

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We seem to be right by the Georgians/Kurds, not surprising as they have been our neighbours for a very long time. In my opinion dividing people by genetics is BS and backwards, as it's truly laughable the minuscule differences that people utilize to set one group apart from another group. DNA is not what divides us, that's all in the mind, it's culture.

Genetics are an invaluable tool in historical scientific research. It's by studying the genetic evidence that we now know for example that both the Cretan Minoans and Etruscans where from originally from Anatolia. Europe links to Anatolia via the Balkans and the Mediterranean is very important cultural bridge. Since Mediterranean cultures all traded and interacted extensively with each another.

The Kurds are a very mixed group. However they tend to have Indo-Iranic paternal and European maternal ancestry. Whilst the Georgians have more distinctly Caucasian ancestry.

The Hurrians and Assyrians where at one point Indo-European vassals and Armenians are Indo-Europeanised, ancient Anatolians. The Armenians Urheimaten lies within the very ancient Northwestern Semitic/Western Asian realm.

The Western Indo-Europeans to whom you are affiliated are originally from the region north of the Black Sea and they mostly likely entered the Anatolian region via the Balkans along with indigenous European peoples. However this element has been in Western Anatolia for at least 5,000 years, so I would not class it as a interloper. Andronovo cultures, Urheimaten is further north in the Urals and this is where the Indo-Iranics are from.

[jgk3]

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http://www.imagebam.com/image/8ab7ee114322838

what about:

Armenian_D (ARD)
Assyrian_D (ASD)
Iranian Jews (IRJ)
Azerbaijani Jews (AZJ)
Uzbekistani Jews (UZJ)
Georgian Jews (GEJ)

I assume "D" stands for diaspora?

[retro]

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I assume "D" stands for diaspora?

The map is from dienekes blogspot. Geography has a big impact on gene flow. No Western Eurasian people are the same as they where in the past either on account of genetic drift.

A genetic map of West Eurasians

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/genetic-map-of-west-eurasians.html

Not all Jews are related (twelve tribes of israel etc.) and they certain don't all have common origins.

You would be hard pushed to find a genetic study published by Jews on Jews that doesn't have a religious/political agenda. Often people who are under the influence of a narrow or extremist religious view point, either can't think out of the box or even worse try to distort the facts.

Einstein was wrong, god does play dice with the universe and it's telling that he couldn't except Heisenberg's theory of quantum mechanics.

[Mos]

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Wow Western Armenians very close to Uzbekistan and Georgian xxxs...

[jgk3]

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Wow Western Armenians very close to Uzbekistan and Georgian xxxs...

how awful! No wonder our language isn't as pretty as yours :P

The map is from dienekes blogspot. Geography has a big impact on gene flow. No Western Eurasian people are the same as they where in the past either on account of genetic drift.

A genetic map of West Eurasians

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/genetic-map-of-west-eurasians.html

Not all Jews are related (twelve tribes of israel etc.) and they certain don't all have common origins.

You would be hard pushed to find a genetic study published by Jews on Jews that doesn't have a religious/political agenda. Often people who are under the influence of a narrow or extremist religious view point, either can't think out of the box or even worse try to distort the facts.

Einstein was wrong, god does play dice with the universe and it's telling that he couldn't except Heisenberg's theory of quantum mechanics.

I know, Judaism is a "race religion", but one that doesn't believe in blood purity, the way Nazis and radically conservative Zoroastrians do, and quite naturally so, jews in geographically distant communities will take on distinct genetic profiles. It's just funny that for how much Armenians try to be distinct from jews, with whom they share many common characteristics, a large number of us end up being very closely related to these jewish groups according to these studies. Mazel Tov!

[KanadaHye]

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Wow Western Armenians very close to Uzbekistan and Georgian xxxs...

I've never met an Uzbek or Georgian.... think I could find some long lost wealthy relatives?