Is YEV a letter?

[sleuth]

okie u know what- too bad i dont have armenian letters on my keyboard so i can show u that it is a letter- u know im not stupid- i went to armenian school for years- we learned both types of armenian- not just "hayastantsi" armenian FYI- maybe you should research a bit- yev is one single letter- although it can be written out using two letters- YE and V, i know that it is not an article- it an actual letter- i will find a site and show you-

OMG angelic..ckbejug is right ok??/..hope this will help u ,just scroll down page.And as i said original armenian alphabet by mesrop consist of 36 letters not 39.

http://www.haias.net/kultur/armenian-alphabet.html

yev is a conjunction, es ev du.....armene ev arame ....yevayln

[ckBejug]

Obviously you didn't read this------->

Yev is actually not a letter of the alphabet. That would be like saying & which is shorthand for AND, as in AND (&) in X, Y, &, Z is a letter.

its a combo of yee and v, in shorthand we use yev... trust me

Yes it is a COMBINATION. Yes it is two letters together to make a word. Two LETTERS, stuck together, one WORD.

No one is saying you're stupid. You can go to an Armenian schools for as long as you like, it doesn't change the fact that it's not a letter. Look at the english example. Is & a letter? NO. Yev is not a letter and making it one to make things 'easier' for people doesn't give it any more validity as a letter.

[angelik22]

okie when i sense that someones really sstubborn i back down- go think whatever u want to think- all i am doing is letting you know that there is a difference of opinion- dont get ur panties in a bunch--
okie whatever u say- if u want it to be a WORD let it be- have a great day!!

[nunechka]

yev is a letter... after the genocide the scholars from around the world assisted armenians in compiling all the BOOKS that were left after the turks burned our schools down... the very smart literary scholars in armenia, russian, france and all over the world helped ARMENIA (the country) with this... and they came up with 39 letters because of the the BOOKS that were left... Mesrop Mashtots put together 36 letters but, after careful analysis of our writings and our literature and our books they put together the NATIONALLY ACCEPTED ARMENIAN letters and they entailed 39 letters...

for example in the english language there is the Shakespearian English and there is proper modern English, so people around the world who speak english speak the modern english, they dont go around changing the shakespear books, but they certainly are not going to stay outdated with their language skills...

so going back to armenian, the people who were not in ARMENIA but who were armenian, did not have the opportunity to take advangate of this, but what they did have were the limited teachings of priests, and family... therefore there was no critical analysis of the language its grammer its spelling for armenians outside of armenia... now you may be wondering how could they just not take it and use it from armenia... well many people, if you are from Iran, lebanon, or wherever, you can ask your parents, they had to lie and say they werent Armenian, or they hid their schools in peoples homes... whatever... so they did not have this capability to have advanced studies done about the language that was almost DISTROYED by the turks...

in essence... YEV is a letter... we know this because they have books written in OLD A$$ time that have that letter in the literature inside WORDS... WOW! yes that does exist... for example the word Yerevan (yer(yev)an) and in armenian in those super old books thats what is written, go to MATENADARAN books are old as BC times...

there are many words that use this letter... like Gevork (G(yev)ork)... correct grammer in usage of this word dictates that when you are making a (toghadarts) you must cut the (yev) into YE and E (that would be the (yes E) (not Eshi E)

what is incorrect about the "western" armenian literature is that there is no actual literature about it... it is a home taught (home grown) language that is not scholarary, and it is not studied by proper Armenian speakers... i actually am opposed to teaching this old style of language because it is grammatically, incorrect, and incosistent... they say they have 38 letter (i know they say its from Mesrop Mashtots but i thought he had 36) and they also say that they only have 26 sounds... WHY? when the BEAUTIFUL Armenian language that has been studied, developed, and enriched with analysis has 38 sounds.. and that 39th letter is YEV and its not a sound its a combination of two sounds that already exist in this BEAUTIFUl Armenian language...

so i say, tell your teacher that it is improper to say that what ARMENIA has is incorrect (and it has studied this for YEARS there are scholars, and academia specially made for this) and the armenians in other countries at the time could not use this, because of fear of being killed... so they just took one book and taught from what they could remember... and it was only 26 sounds and 38 (or 36 they are confused) long...

thanks for your wonderful time... live long and prosper ( i know this may be hard since we are armenian)

[HyeJinx1984]

Some how I knew the answer lied within Baron Dants. Many things lie within Baron Dants. I know I do

[jilbagh]

how many words are written with the supposed letter "yev"?


huh? huh? huh?


dorks

[ckBejug]

yev is a letter... ....thanks for your wonderful time... live long and prosper ( i know this may be hard since we are armenian)

Just because something is written in shorthand does not qualify it as a letter. Like I said, apparently it is more often the Arevelahay speakers (Hayastantsi Armenian) who have learned that yev is a letter, and Arevmdahays (dialect of those living under Arab rule) learn that it is not a letter. We can have this circular argument all day long and not get anywhere. We all have sources of information and not any one source is more valid than the other... It doesn't matter anyway. One extra 'letter', or lack thereof, makes no difference. Our language is still extrememly rich and beautiful and counting a combination of two letters as one will not change that fact.

what is incorrect about the "western" armenian literature is that there is no actual literature about it... it is a home taught (home grown) language that is not scholarary, and it is not studied by proper Armenian speakers...

This is complete and utter bullsh!t and you know it. 'Eastern' Armenian, or Arevelahayeren, is in no way superior to 'Western' Armenian, or Arevmdahayeren. If you got your head out of your a$$ and actually read any of the wonderful Armenian literature and poetry out there you would see that the Armenian people are lucky to have such articulate and inspiring writers and orators. Both in Eastern and Western Armenian. Neither is incorrect or 'not scholarly.' We have well learned scholars and experts and panasdeghds and keroghs who write in both. They are both beautiful languages, they are both PROPER Armenian, but it is just like an Armenian to claim that the language he speaks is better than the one someone else speaks, isn't it?

[ckBejug]

Many things lie within Baron Dants. I know I do

Whaaaaaaaaat?!

[nunechka]

lol... i know it is incorrect to say that one is right and the other is wrong bcause we all have to be politically correct and not say (your poopie stinks in your face) and jsut say it in private...

i am a realist and i shall remain a realist...

and hyejinx how could you lie within baron dants? LOL!!!
HILARIOUS!

[Stark Evade]

nunechka: it is not a matter of being p.c.; it is a matter of not being unfair, ignorant, and pompous. I think everyone can agree that "yev" is a combination of two letters. That means it relies on a defined set of letters that are agreed upon. Can you tell me, linguistically, what the purpose would be to create a letter that is dependant on two other letters? Do you realize that it is unnecessary because in spelling it can be written with the two letters separated? There are no grammatical rules in Armenian that would have suggested the requirement to combine those two letters and use another "letter" instead which is a combination of those two letters. Do you realize that no other Indo-European language has such a thing? Those people you are talking about decided to make a shorthand form into a letter. Fine. But it wasn't based on a linguistic necessity that the Western dialect doesn't understand. That's just very unfair and pompous. And I have to say, that the idea of it being considered a seperate letter is utterly laughable. That's right: the short hand form of "and" in English should be considered a single letter so words like band and land and hand can actually be two letters in length. You do anderstand that a letter can be either a consonant or a vowel and not both at the same time, right? Also the whole notion of the Western dialect being taught only in unofficial environments is also ignorant. Melkonian was a very respected school that has existed in some form or another since the 1880s. There are also schools in lebanon that have been around since the early 20th century.