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Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

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  • #41
    Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

    Originally posted by ace
    That book is full of them.

    Also, read about the Rothschilds.
    Right. Okay, now I know where your stock is from. No more needs to be said.

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    • #42
      Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

      Originally posted by Anonymouse
      However, as much as we would hate to admit it, Armenians share blame as well, for being pacified to the point of no return, for scattering all over across Turkey even beyond what was historically Western Armenia, betraying one another as usual, and being softened by some aspects of Christianity. You must understand that Islam and Christianity teach very different things.
      It's called "a house divided against itself cannot stand." It has nothing to do with Christianity, since this is a quote from the Bible.

      Sometimes it's nice to see old acquaintances again. Hello Mouse.

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      • #43
        Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

        Originally posted by tunot
        It's called "a house divided against itself cannot stand." It has nothing to do with Christianity, since this is a quote from the Bible.

        Sometimes it's nice to see old acquaintances again. Hello Mouse.
        The Bible (as well as MAAAANNNY other 'Sacred or Holy Books/Words') have good ideas included in the text (and, IMHO, some BS, as well.) Sometimes people understand ideas too literally, too.

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        • #44
          Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

          Originally posted by ace
          Yes it does because that will determine who is to pay for the reperations.
          What reparations? What are you expecting? Would this go to the survivors (who are dying out themselves ) or the country of Armenia? Would this go to the survivor's relatives? What can we expect here should the Turkish government ever collectively say, "Yeah, it happened, we did that"?
          "Many diasporans are the descendants of genocide survivors. They are not just going to forget what the Ottoman Turks did to them or their ancestors in 1915. For the Turkish government the diasporans are merely the "ones that got away."" -- Tom Servo

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          • #45
            Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

            Originally posted by tunot
            It's called "a house divided against itself cannot stand." It has nothing to do with Christianity, since this is a quote from the Bible.

            Sometimes it's nice to see old acquaintances again. Hello Mouse.
            I take it you haven't read much of what Jesus preaches and compared that to what Mohammed preaches. This isn't about merely Christianity. Do not misquote me. It is an amalgamation of forces and at this point the blame game is useless. And who might this old acquaintance be?
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #46
              Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

              Originally posted by Quarteria
              What reparations? What are you expecting? Would this go to the survivors (who are dying out themselves ) or the country of Armenia? Would this go to the survivor's relatives? What can we expect here should the Turkish government ever collectively say, "Yeah, it happened, we did that"?
              Reperations dont have to be in the form of money. It should be our historic lands, and the necessary money needed to re-populate those lands with Armenians.

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              • #47
                Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

                Originally posted by ace
                Reperations dont have to be in the form of money. It should be our historic lands, and the necessary money needed to re-populate those lands with Armenians.
                So, at the VERY least, Ararat. Yeah, I can see that. That would be nice.
                "Many diasporans are the descendants of genocide survivors. They are not just going to forget what the Ottoman Turks did to them or their ancestors in 1915. For the Turkish government the diasporans are merely the "ones that got away."" -- Tom Servo

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                • #48
                  Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

                  Turks become pissed when we simply display Mount Ararat as our symbols (coat of arms, etc.). I don't expect they will hand it over.

                  If I don't expect our mountain to be returned to us, I doubt they will redraw the borders. I've heard they don't even allow visitors to the region, depending on who you are.

                  When they accept the genocide, they will make a statement that our past government (not the current one) killed and deported Armenians, and the current government recognizes the former governments actions.

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                  • #49
                    Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

                    Originally posted by Anonymouse
                    I take it you haven't read much of what Jesus preaches and compared that to what Mohammed preaches.
                    Thank God no. But it wasn't about that. I'm not disagreeing with you.

                    And who might this old acquaintance be?
                    I should think that with your promotion to moderator you would be able to trace me back.

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                    • #50
                      Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

                      Originally posted by Quarteria
                      What reparations? What are you expecting? Would this go to the survivors (who are dying out themselves ) or the country of Armenia? Would this go to the survivor's relatives? What can we expect here should the Turkish government ever collectively say, "Yeah, it happened, we did that"?
                      I'm not sure if I'm expecting anything from Turkey, so there might come the time when Armenians need to take what's rightfully theirs. What Armenians are rightfully entitled to is historically Armenian land (everything north of and including Van and everything East of and including Mush) and money: basically all that was stolen except human lives (that cannot be returned). Having said that, realistically we ourselves are not yet and will not be for some time organized enough to react effectively to such changes. Naturally, specific policies and innovative development projects would have to be undertaken. Major funds would have to be allocated to jumpstart agriculture and some sort of commerce and industry in those regions, perhaps using huge agricultural and industrial grants to motivate Armenian immigrations into these lands.

                      As to the main question, I don't know about you, but I usually like to keep the feelings of my friends unhurt. At the same time, friendship cannot thrive on secrets and gaps of communication. I and, I assume, majority of Armenians have nothing but a string of cusswords to express about Turkey and Turkish nation (including culture, history, etc). If it's not downright hatred of aspects of Turkish identity, then it's disrepect. That means I would have to hold my tounge about something that I feel very strongly about. All my non-Armenian friends know very well my disgust at Turkey to the point that they make a joke every time we encounter Turks or Turkey. The relationship would be stale and full of deciete and bullxxxx.

                      That doesn't mean that an Armenian mustn't act civilly with a Turk. Of course not. We're not children nor barbarians. I neither see any issues with treating a well-meaning and educated Turk with respect. But friendship I cannot envision.

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