Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

[Turkish Dude]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

How was it that the Turkish government was able to force off their lands, millions of Armenians? It's called force, and I have long maintained that if Armenians want those lands, they have to take it by force, but also, grow in numbers like Turks and Kurds do.

The Turkish government isnt just going to give provinces away.

Armenians dont procreate as much as the Turks and the Kurds do (the Kurds have much larger family sizes than compared with the Turks). Furthermore how would this Armenian force work? Is Armenia just going to declare war on Turkey?

Isnt this just wishful thinking?

Even if Armenia somehow got the Kurds on their side after they both defeat Turkey. Armenians and the Kurds would have to fight it out over who will own what land.

[Anahita]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

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Keep speaking (but don't be alarmed if I try to change you mind.)

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[tunot]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

I never said I don't want to know. I said you seemed more intent on letting me know that you are from old. Either way, it never hurts to satisfy ones curiosity with an answer. But if you fear some sort of 'trouble', and I can't imagine what that would be, you can feel free to stay in the dark.

By the way, how did you expect me to guess who you were?

From my IP address. I thought you'd know me anyway, so I greeted.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

The Turkish government isnt just going to give provinces away.

Armenians dont procreate as much as the Turks and the Kurds do (the Kurds have much larger family sizes than compared with the Turks). Furthermore how would this Armenian force work? Is Armenia just going to declare war on Turkey?

Isnt this just wishful thinking?

Even if Armenia somehow got the Kurds on their side after they both defeat Turkey. Armenians and the Kurds would have to fight it out over who will own what land.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't mean war in the literal sense we know war to be. I only meant that the only way Armenians will get those lands back is through natural means, by growing and gradually moving and outnumbering those who occupy Western Armenia, just like the Mexicans are doing here in America, by sheer numbers and even though they call it the "reconquista" in Spanish, there is no force implied since they are doing it by sheer numbers.

However, you must have missed in my post where I said Armenians and Kurds will eventually duke it out once the Turkish commony enemy supposedly disappears.

[tunot]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

There are a few things I would like to state.

The third thing I have to say is in regards to reparations. If Armenia did some how get all their historic homelands back would YOU the Diaspora leave your homes in California, Boston, France, Sweden, Lebanon, etc... and move to your historic homelands? (which are poor, have a lack of jobs available, are isolated, lack amenities, lack decent transport systems, etc....)

This should not be of your concern. This is our problem, not yours.

Staying on the topic of reparations I have to also say that the lands of Western Armenia are claimed by the Kurds as Northern Kurdistan. The Kurds are not going to give up the lands they see as their own ancestral homelands to the Armenians. There are also millions of Turks and Kurds living on these lands.

There is the posibility that Turkey wont recognise the genocide unless Armenia renounces all claims on Turkish territory. At the present moment Turkey wants Armenia to withdraw from Karabakh, recognise Turkeys current borders and drop its genocide recognition.

There will always be Armenians who will claim land. That is no reason for Turkey to deny the Armenian genocide. The kind of reparation that "we" should receive can only be realistically discussed after Turkey recognizes the genocide. Only then can we perhaps compromise on reparation.

[Turkish Dude]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't mean war in the literal sense we know war to be. I only meant that the only way Armenians will get those lands back is through natural means, by growing and gradually moving and outnumbering those who occupy Western Armenia, just like the Mexicans are doing here in America, by sheer numbers and even though they call it the "reconquista" in Spanish, there is no force implied since they are doing it by sheer numbers.

However, you must have missed in my post where I said Armenians and Kurds will eventually duke it out once the Turkish commony enemy supposedly disappears.

I have no intention to be rude so dont take it the wrong way - Are you serious about this?

I suppose it would be a legitimate way. However I have enquire are Armenians going to move back. Are you willing to move back to that same farm or house that your grandparents or other relatives used lived in before they were murdered? Could you do that? Would you feel comfortable in doing this?

How will this effort be organised? Will Armenians just move into various areas or will they move into small areas and try and populate them with Armenians? I have to ask you Anonymouse and this question is for all Armenians. Are you willing to resettle in those lands that you want to claim?

There is also the fact that most of the population growth is occuring from the Kurds. Kurdish families tend to have more children (I'm talking about a figure of about 5 children being born for every mother).

Also Turkey wont be completely blind about the situation and they would have the army in Eastern Turkey (currently there are over 250,000 troops in South East Turkey - and the authorities view the Armenians even more suspiciously then they view the Kurds).

Do you still think this realistic and is possible?

[imhye]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Are you willing to move back to that same farm or house that your grandparents or other relatives used lived in before they were murdered? Could you do that? Would you feel comfortable in doing this?

I would love to move back to Western Armenia and help build it for Armenia/ns! You can sign me up... Give it back to us.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

I have no intention to be rude so dont take it the wrong way - Are you serious about this?

I suppose it would be a legitimate way. However I have enquire are Armenians going to move back. Are you willing to move back to that same farm or house that your grandparents or other relatives used lived in before they were murdered? Could you do that? Would you feel comfortable in doing this?

How will this effort be organised? Will Armenians just move into various areas or will they move into small areas and try and populate them with Armenians? I have to ask you Anonymouse and this question is for all Armenians. Are you willing to resettle in those lands that you want to claim?

There is also the fact that most of the population growth is occuring from the Kurds. Kurdish families tend to have more children (I'm talking about a figure of about 5 children being born for every mother).

Also Turkey wont be completely blind about the situation and they would have the army in Eastern Turkey (currently there are over 250,000 troops in South East Turkey - and the authorities view the Armenians even more suspiciously then they view the Kurds).

Do you still think this realistic and is possible?

To answer your question, yes I wouldn't mind going to Aintab at all. But you must understand, Rome wasn't built overnight, nor will Armenia, if it is ever to be reclaimed. Moving back will be left to the discretion of individuals, who cares how it is organized? Such a thing of that magnitude cannot possibly be 'centrally planned'. People will move, people will go back, people will build summer homes. I already have quite a few relatives and acquiantences who have homes in Armenia. During the summer they live there, and during the winter they live here at the same time pumping money into the economy.

[TomServo]

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[D3ADSY]

Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

She was hot. We had sex after I convinced her to shave her arms cause they were kind of hairy. None the less she was hott.

I remember you. I signed up because I had this urge to punch you in the face and then I felt shattered when I remembered it's the internets.

I still want to punch you in the face.

When one asks for forgiveness, it all depends on the individuals involved, not a holistic entity such as the people.

The two are very much related.

The third thing I have to say is in regards to reparations. If Armenia did some how get all their historic homelands back would YOU the Diaspora leave your homes in California, Boston, France, Sweden, Lebanon, etc... and move to your historic homelands? (which are poor, have a lack of jobs available, are isolated, lack amenities, lack decent transport systems, etc....)

Ofcourse they wouldn't. Armenians are leaving Armenia, I very much doubt anyone would pack up and leave a modern city to live in Kars.
The more important issue is this, what do Armenians hope to achieve by such a thing? Apart from Armenia looking bigger on a map, are there any benefits that are worth the costs involved?