Armenian surnames?

[sev_zeytun]

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[Quote] It is called "bast@rma" among Western Armenians. Can the softening of the "b" into "p" be an influence of "Ata*urkism?" [Quote]
In my family we never say basturma with a "p" sound. It's always a strong Բ sound. My family moved to America in the 80's so their dialect hasn't really been altered at all. That is a little weird that you mention Armenians using a "p" sound and I have never thought of it before. And as for other Armenian's, I have never heard them use a "p" sound either (I must be hanging out with the wrong group of Armenians, lol ).

[Siamanto]

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just curious, since you guys speak Turkish, but do you guys know if the surnames kuredjian, ketchedjian, martirosyan, and boyadjyan have turkish roots? and if they do have a turkish root, what do they mean?

"Martirosyan" is Armenian and "Mardiros" means martyr - I'm sure that you can see the similarity???

As for the other ones, the following applies:

1- They are - most likely - a reminiscence of the *urkish occupation - regardless of the origin of the words
2- The suffix "dji" or "ji" seems to be *urkish. In fact, "ji" is the genitive particle in Korean, another language of the Uralo-Altaic family. Keep in mind that in *urkish, the suffix "ji" - just like the genitive - also indicates belonging or origin such as "yabanci" - Japanese - and related to or characterized by as in "kerkhenedji."

However, I don't know if the words "kuredj," "ketche" and boya are of *urkish origin? "Kuredj" and "Ketche" do not sound of *urkish origin to me. By the way, is it "kuredj" or "kiredj??"



Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations

[Siamanto]

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Yes as I said there are many words from Persian,Arabic also French but this doesn't show that Turkish is a simple and not rich language.Reason of having lots of Persian and Arabic and also French words is that Ottoman policy which admired these languages and put Turkish in second class in the managament area.This is the same reason Why Armenians were in trade and Turks had to wait lands.Just stupid policy.Cause Ottomans just trusted Turks who could defence lands other would be in trade.Turks should awaited the lands,have been farmer and soldiers.Wrong Policies but I appreciate Armenians talent.

Turks are good at trade too in spite of late steps in trade.I know this from myself,my company sell lots of products(not foods) to the abroad.Israel,Spain,Middle Asia...

sergeyivanov,
Are you also interested in how *urks use Armenian aliases....such as "garod?"


Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations

[sev_zeytun]

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By the way, is it "kuredj" or "kiredj??"

Um...it's Kuredjian. They are all family names that have been passed down. I came from multiple branches of wealthy families (they intermarried with other rich families as well)(before the genocide) and I wanted to know if, even without a need to "connect" with the Turkish for business or friendship at the time, some Armenians would change their surnames. Everytime I search for the meaning of my surnames I am never able to find out what they mean so I thought that maybe they had a Turkish element (might explain why it's so hard for me to find out).

I don't even know if there is any real connection between wealth and surnames (or changing them) but I want to find out. Kuredjian was the only surname that did not come from a rich branch of people. but my grandmother was super rich and her last name was Terminasyan (I'm guessing that means we had some priests in the family)(obviously 100% armenian surname).

Kuredjian = Քուրէջյան

[sev_zeytun]

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OK. so I went to http://www.feefhs.org/am/am-sur.html to look at armenian surnames and the only one not there out of the four is Kuredjian. The rest are all in the list. So, what's up with Kuredjian? What does it mean? (I could use some help from anyone, both Turkish and Armenian. Please help.)(I asked my dad a few months ago and he has no idea.)

[dani87]

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However, I don't know if the words "kuredj," "ketche" and boya are of *urkish origin? "Kuredj" and "Ketche" do not sound of *urkish origin to me. By the way, is it "kuredj" or "kiredj??"

well i know kure and ketche is kurdish words it means boy and girl....wonder where his family is from


and küre in turkish means globe...which would make küreci/küredji one who makes globes....

and boya is color....maybe it's from fahrsi...i don't know

[sergeyisanov]

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LOL, oh really? Can you teach me a few Farsi words (or Arabic)? Please, just one word…

Lucin, someone, especially an Armenian whose mother tongue is almost 20-25% Turkish (believe it or not, it is a fact!) with at least 10 ICQ would not claim that Turkish is a melange of Arabic and Farsi. With the same logic, some others may also claim, for example, that Armenian is a melange of Turkish and Farsi or Russian...

I know Farsi, Arabic and Turkish better than you guess. I studied them and still studying. If you wish me to translate something into Farsi, please write down, I will do my best to help you.

[sergeyisanov]

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[QUOTE=Siamanto;172855]sergeyivanov,
Are you also interested in how *urks use Armenian aliases....such as "garod?"

Siamanto, excuse me but, it is nonsense to be a paranoid and search a Turk behind every nickname.

I repeat once more, for the time being I am living in Turkey. And I don't care whether you will think that I am also a Turk or not. Despite my Armenian connection, I don't think that to be a Turk is not something bad.

A racist attitude would not help the Armenian cause, but rather harm it!

[sev_zeytun]

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well i know kure and ketche is kurdish words it means boy and girl....wonder where his family is from


and küre in turkish means globe...which would make küreci/küredji one who makes globes....

and boya is color....maybe it's from fahrsi...i don't know

dani: I am a girl, not a guy. it's cool that you know the meanings of these words and thanks for the input. Many of my families, before the genocide, were rich and they worked a lot with Turkish people and their business. One of my families actually lived in Istanbul (had a huge home there but it is not ours anymore because we are not allowed to reclaim it anymore) and the only reason why my great grandfather survived during the genocide was because he was studying abroad in Italy. But I think, for the most part, my family came from Yerevan (so far that's as far back as I can go/recall). My grandmother is from Damascus, Syria.

[Lucin]

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Lucin, someone, especially an Armenian whose mother tongue is almost 20-25% Turkish (believe it or not, it is a fact!) with at least 10 ICQ would not claim that Turkish is a melange of Arabic and Farsi. With the same logic, some others may also claim, for example, that Armenian is a melange of Turkish and Farsi or Russian...

I know Farsi, Arabic and Turkish better than you guess. I studied them and still studying. If you wish me to translate something into Farsi, please write down, I will do my best to help you.

Listen Sergey, my statement was not biased or an 'invention' but you seem to be so hurt…
I don’t like to test your Farsi, but you already tested yourself and showed how much you master it; for someone who claims to know Persian, it is weird, illogical and doubtful to say Turkish is not a mélange of (deformed) Persian and Arabic (besides some other languages like Latin). In terms of vocabulary…

Ps:Have they also told you that Molana is Turkish?