Armenian surnames?

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian surnames?

You are better off posting on a Turkish forum, since you seem to know more about their "kultur."

Oh, please... Now he’ll come and insist on ‘kultur’ as being a Turkish word and conclude that the central Asia is the cradle of civilisations...


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[Lucin]

Re: Armenian surnames?

Dani, boya is not Persian...

[garod]

Re: Armenian surnames?

Sev_zeytun,

I found the meaning of kuredjian but I'm sorry that it comes from a Turkish verb

Everybody knows that a word can have many meanings.Küre has got 2 meanings in Turkish,one of is the globe but it is not about your surname.Other's meaning is pin.It comes from verb "Küremek" whose meaning is dig and clean,I cannot tell its meaning clearly,but for example in Turkey people say Kar küremek (Clean and also dig snow ).

When we come the connection with your surname,I found on internet that there was a profession Küreci(Kuredji) and area Kürecilik in Ottoman Empire.Kürecilik is the work of a miner and Küreci (Kuredji) is miner especially mine of iron.

Source:You can follow up the word "Kürecilik" in this link and you will see it shows Ottomanshttp://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=12&gl=tr

Some of people in your family had worked as miner (Küreci/Kuredji).Please trust me this is the most true approach to the subject.I believe it is % 99 true.

[dani87]

Re: Armenian surnames?

Thanks for the clarification. Really instructive - at least, for me - and useful.

1- If "kure" and "ketche" exist in Kurdish, isn't it likely that they may also exist in Farsi???
2- I just googled and it seems that "kurra" means globe in Arabic. (Unfortunately in French http://salafidunord.over-blog.com/5-...e-1099268.html )
By the way, how about the verb "krral" in Armenian???

1. hmm my fahrsi is non existant...though i understand many words through the kurdish and turkish i know....-someone here should be able to tell us if it's fahrsi

2. many many words in turkish and kurdish are taken from arabic, especially the kurdish dialect i speak is filled with arabic words ( the kurdish word for globe also is "kure")

(also arabic got many of their words from primarly aramaic but also hebrew i think)

what's the Armenian word for globe?

hmm and about krral...i have no idea....
i don't speak armenian but Kral in turkish is king

i really like language discussions

[dani87]

Re: Armenian surnames?

Dani, boya is not Persian...

ok merci lucine

Sev_zeytun,

I found the meaning of kuredjian but I'm sorry that it comes from a Turkish verb

Everybody knows that a word can have many meanings.Küre has got 2 meanings in Turkish,one of is the globe but it is not about your surname.Other's meaning is pin.It comes from verb "Küremek" whose meaning is dig and clean,I cannot tell its meaning clearly,but for example in Turkey people say Kar küremek (Clean and also dig snow ).

When we come the connection with your surname,I found on internet that there was a profession Küreci(Kuredji) and area Kürecilik in Ottoman Empire.Kürecilik is the work of a miner and Küreci (Kuredji) is miner especially mine of iron.

Source:You can follow up the word "Kürecilik" in this link and you will see it shows Ottomanshttp://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=12&gl=tr

Some of people in your family had worked as miner (Küreci/Kuredji).Please trust me this is the most true approach to the subject.I believe it is % 99 true.

nice investigating garod....i'm with garod on this...tx

another word for miner would be maden ocagı iscisi (the first s and the c in iscisi should have those symbols below them to tired to get the letters)

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Armenian surnames?

I think globe, in armenian is yerkuragoond (երկրագունդ).
Lucin: Vous parlez français? Génial!!!
Garod: Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. But, to tell you the truth, I wasn't really going to be upset if it had a Turkish root or not. What I am trying to connect is the relationship between rich and poor Armenians to other neighboring countries through their surnames (which may appeal to people through the sense of familiarity)(whether or not the wealthier armenians of the time needed to change their names or not to obtain such familiarity). The whole thing is a stretch but maybe we can make a connection if some other people contribute or we delve into it some more. For all I know, there could be a connection through the information provided up until this post.

[Siamanto]

Re: Armenian surnames?

Well, to tell you the truth, I thought of ter as in terter (my grandmother brought it up and that's about it). As for the Terminassians, I would never really know. My great grandfather was the only immediate family that survived(as in siblings and parents) but they may have been relatives or something. Honestly, I have no way of knowing. I even asked my grandparents and they have no clue and my great grandfather has already passed away.

It is a shame that you can't find out. The Ter Minassian family is very active and well known in the Armenian Community of France. Anahit Ter Minassian is a historian of some reputation.

Slow down on the reading, you skimmed a few things . Also, about the Kuredjian stuff.

I like to dig and LOL some say that "kure" means to dig!!!

Um... I am guessing that the only things that you will really find are about Jack Kuredjian (the dead deputy)(that's all that I am able to find anyway).

BTW: Jack Kuredjian is my dads first cousin.

I found many others. Try also "kouredjian" and other spellings. Also, I have known/heard of "Kurdjians" etc.

[Siamanto]

Re: Armenian surnames?

I found the meaning of kuredjian but I'm sorry that it comes from a Turkish verb

Al l you can say that "kure" is a word used by *urks; but, you can't say that it's *urkish. See further details below.
LOL "I'm sorry" - as you like to say - that *urkish words - just like lands - are, for the most part, stolen . (A borrowed word becomes stolen when the borrower tries appropriate it.)

Everybody knows that a word can have many meanings.Küre has got 2 meanings in Turkish,one of is the globe but it is not about your surname.Other's meaning is pin.It comes from verb "Küremek" whose meaning is dig and clean,I cannot tell its meaning clearly,but for example in Turkey people say Kar küremek (Clean and also dig snow ).

The French word "curer" - pronounced as "kure" - means very much the same and it's not of *urkish origin.
Can it be that this is a third meaning i.e. different from mining??? It seems to me.

When we come the connection with your surname,I found on internet that there was a profession Küreci(Kuredji) and area Kürecilik in Ottoman Empire.Kürecilik is the work of a miner and Küreci (Kuredji) is miner especially mine of iron.

Source:You can follow up the word "Kürecilik" in this link and you will see it shows Ottomanshttp://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=12&gl=tr

Some of people in your family had worked as miner (Küreci/Kuredji).Please trust me this is the most true approach to the subject.I believe it is % 99 true.

Maybe! Useful contribution and plausible explanation!
However, the *urkish "kure" probably is probably borrowed and shares the origin of the French "carrière" and the English "quarry."
Furthermore, "Küreci" may well simply be the *urkification of the Armenian "karakordz" where "kordz" is the equivalent of "dji" or "ci."

LOL "I'm sorry" - as you like to say - that *urkish words - just like lands - are, for the most part, stolen . (A borrowed word becomes stolen when the borrower tries to appropriate it.)

[Siamanto]

Re: Armenian surnames?

1. hmm my fahrsi is non existant...though i understand many words through the kurdish and turkish i know....-someone here should be able to tell us if it's fahrsi

It has been confirmed by Lucin.

2. many many words in turkish and kurdish are taken from arabic, especially the kurdish dialect i speak is filled with arabic words ( the kurdish word for globe also is "kure")

(also arabic got many of their words from primarly aramaic but also hebrew i think)

Yes, maybe "semitic" is a better word.

what's the Armenian word for globe?

Depending on it's transliterated, "kount," "kunt," "Koont" or...

hmm and about krral...i have no idea....
i don't speak armenian but Kral in turkish is king

The "al" - or the "l" - in the Armenian "krral" - that means something like roll i.e. the idea of something round - is only a syntactic element i.e. it's not part of the root and simply indicates the verb group - just like in Spanish and French. The root may be????? something like "kur" or "kurra."

i really like language discussions

It can be challenging!

[Siamanto]

Re: Armenian surnames?

Siamanto,
Kure (meaning boy) exists also in Persian (the pronunciation is: ‘korre’) and means ‘ձագ’ so it can also be applied to a boy with a pejorative meaning...




This one exists in Farsi as well and is pronounced as ‘kore’; and again you are right the same word exists in Arabic with a bit different pronunciation ‘korra’ which has become küre in Turkish (see why I say it is a deformed Persian/Arabic).

Thanks for confirming!

LOL...
Est-ce que la terre est ronde? Ben...Je ne sais pas...Il faut voir ce que Mahomet(Que les prières d’Allah et Son Salut soient sur Mohammed, ainsi que sur ses proches, et tous ses Compagnons !) pense...

After all, it was a useful link!