Chief Rabbi of Israel Recognizes the Armenian Genocide

[Gavur]

Phantoms Q still remains unanswered ,therefore the French word applies in this case but in your vocabilary Ass may mean target
or understanding from the bottom?

[Gavur]

I personally have no problem attacking denialist, who ever they are.Its another thing if that attack is only comprised of conspirity theories or denial .Then we are not any better then what we despise.

[Tatoul]

Really, how have we been doing this all along? What recognition programs have we made and publicized for recognizing righteous Jews or Turks?

Turks Who Saved Armenians

http://www.zoryaninstitute.org/Table_Of_Contents/genocide_docs_turksintro.htm

"Mr. Vartian said the museum would refer to "righteous Turks" who saved Armenian lives"

http://www.armenianreporteronline.com/old/11052002/ma-kinzer.htm

Good Turks

http://www.teachgenocide.org/files/D...od%20Turks.pdf.

[TurQ]

This is Gavur's classic, one of those times that he gets inspired by his rivals. A concise but a masterpiece answer which I have to admit.



He once said the kids in his elemtary school(in Turkey) didnt like him because of his using the language better than the others, first I didnt believe it but I 'm begining to believe it, it could be really true.

Phantoms Q still remains unanswered ,therefore the French word applies in this case but in your vocabilary Ass may mean target
or understanding from the bottom?

[Gavur]

Its morally bancrupt idea to deny someone elses suffering just because you are inflicted of the same.We dont have to support their claims until they do ours, but to attack them with denial or accusing them of concpiricy in the crime of genocide of Armenians without substential proof is illadvised and converts us into being like them.
I think this may be our point of disagreement some of us have christian principals that we'll defend over anything else and some of us believe (like them) The eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth concepts .It is just a question of prioritys of principals.

[1.5 million]

I thought that this forum had established a rule - no "Jew talk". It is an unfortunate - but opbviously necessary rule. I don't like any type of censorship - but I don't feel like wasting my time addressing the same conspiracy theory and Jew hate posts - been there - done that. There are real issues worthy of discussion concerning the Armenian Genocide and little of it has much of anything to do with "Jews". Of course I have no problem pointing out and opposing those who directly deny or support denial of the Armenian Genocide (or any other genocide for that matter). Jews who deny the Armenian Genocide and Armenians who deny the Jewish genocide are the worst types as each should knwo better, understand the pain and be sympathetic etc. Of course we all know and understand Isreals shameful position and that of some Jewish organizations - we can also understand why they have taken such stances even if we can never of course condone it and we must also continue to speak against this sort of thing and openly challange those who deny - whoever they may be. However this juvineille level Jew bashing is disgusting and I will always oppose it - just as I will (and do) oppose any type of racism. Those who hold and express such views do us a diservice in so many ways. Anyway phantom has made some very good points...shame it seems that he is talking to that proverbial wall again. And heh - just what does "banned" meen in this forum - time to change your screen name? These people who have repeatedly violated forum rules and have attacked people and spammed the forum and such should not be allowed to rejoin (and do exactly the same all over again). It has ruined this forum. I think the forum needs to go to an approved membership or such for posting. Something is really needed to keep us from going through this same crap over and over again. It is just this sort of thing that has prevented me from joining other similar forums. I am a serious person and thi is just kiddie BS. It is downright embarrasing. I am also chagrined that more posters have not also expressed their views similarly and condemned this racist tripe. Remember what happens when one just says nothing and lets tyhisa sort of thing continue.

[Gavur]

This is Gavur's classic, one of those times that he gets inspired by his rivals. A concise but a masterpiece answer which I have to admit.



He once said the kids in his elemtary school(in Turkey) didnt like him because of his using the language better than the others, first I didnt believe it but I 'm begining to believe it, it could be really true.

Well he did answer the Q by posting some articles,but that raises another Q what was done in that respect was enough?
was it done to the point of exhaustion and defeat?

[Gavur]

I thought that this forum had established a rule - no "Jew talk". It is an unfortunate - but opbviously necessary rule. I don't like any type of censorship - but I don't feel like wasting my time addressing the same conspiracy theory and Jew hate posts - been there - done that. There are real issues worthy of discussion concerning the Armenian Genocide and little of it has much of anything to do with "Jews". Of course I have no problem pointing out and opposing those who directly deny or support denial of the Armenian Genocide (or any other genocide for that matter). Jews who deny the Armenian Genocide and Armenians who deny the Jewish genocide are the worst types as each should knwo better, understand the pain and be sympathetic etc. Of course we all know and understand Isreals shameful position and that of some Jewish organizations - we can also understand why they have taken such stances even if we can never of course condone it and we must also continue to speak against this sort of thing and openly challange those who deny - whoever they may be. However this juvineille level Jew bashing is disgusting and I will always oppose it - just as I will (and do) oppose any type of racism. Those who hold and express such views do us a diservice in so many ways. Anyway phantom has made some very good points...shame it seems that he is talking to that proverbial wall again. And heh - just what does "banned" meen in this forum - time to change your screen name? These people who have repeatedly violated forum rules and have attacked people and spammed the forum and such should not be allowed to rejoin (and do exactly the same all over again). It has ruined this forum. I think the forum needs to go to an approved membership or such for posting. Something is really needed to keep us from going through this same crap over and over again. It is just this sort of thing that has prevented me from joining other similar forums. I am a serious person and thi is just kiddie BS. It is downright embarrasing. I am also chagrined that more posters have not also expressed their views similarly and condemned this racist tripe. Remember what happens when one just says nothing and lets tyhisa sort of thing continue.

By the same token it is our responsibility as Armenians to find middle ground or agree to disagree. I feel it is a worthwhile attemp to pinpoint the differences between the various Armenian thoughts so we can unite not only when we have to ,but always without degrading or dismissal of those thoughts.

[Kharpert]

Tatoul,

phantom proposed a plan to get the Armenian Genocide recognized. I understand that you are a strong critic of the plan, but I would like to hear your ideas on how the Armenian people can get the Genocide recognized internationally.

[1.5 million]

By the same token it is our responsibility as Armenians to find middle ground or agree to disagree. I feel it is a worthwhile attemp to pinpoint the differences between the various Armenian thoughts so we can unite not only when we have to ,but always without degrading or dismissal of those thoughts.

Do I need to repost their posts where they call for Jews to be turned into cat food, gassed, burned and so on and so forth - there is no middle ground with people like this. Comon now - get real.