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"Azeri" barbarians are destroying what's left of the ancient Jugha cemetery

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  • #51
    Contradictions, Contradictions

    There was a thread where we were arguing about these types of events where Armenian cultural heritage is destroyed by Turks in an attempt to wipe away any rememberance of them on their ancient lands. A Turk approached me talking about how Armenians were destroying cemeteries in Artsakh. I cannot find the posts or thread (although I thought it was this thread). Anyway, the individual didn't give any proof of this and it was the first I had heard of it. Of course the member went on to accuse Armenians of destroying everything which screams fabrication...

    Anyway, I had forgotten all about the conversation until I came across this paragraph on an "AZERI" website:

    "Needless to say, there isn't much left of Agdam, which is now in the buffer zone occupied by Armenian forces (although the mosque with its elaborate wall mosaics has been preserved).

    So keep that in mind for when Armenians are accused of destoying the cultural heritage of others...

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    • #52
      Total and absolute bullxxxx is what the azeri dogs are doing. I hate to think that they are doing this i wish iran would do something about it.

      They are destroying the pride of your nation and i feel so bad that no one can do anything. I only hope that a meteorite strike falls rite on there fat arses and blow them all back to mongolia.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Arpad
        I only hope that a meteorite strike falls rite on there fat arses and blow them all back to mongolia.
        so called "Azeri" or really a Persian Chauvinist?
        http://www.azadtribun.com/x259.h8.jpg
        http://www.azadtribun.com/x260.h26.jpg

        so called "Islamic" "Republic" OF "Iran" is doing something about it. THey are supporting Armenians against their muslim brothers.
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        • #54
          I am half azeri. What the hell are you trying to show with those pictures? at least write something useful next to it, And in the second pic, what the hell are you trying to show from it? all they are saying is in the poster above that 35mil azerbeijianis in iran, and the bottom poster is saying 'i am a xxxxx' ??

          And have you ever thought to yourself that maybe iran is supporting Armenia because azerbayjians are doing the wrong thing? . . If you had a friend and a brother,, and your brother was going to kill your friend but your friend was trying to stop your brother who would you support? killing done by your own religion or support a just cause??

          Take this into your head, we are not chauvanist, we do not HATE azeris, we do not HATE kurds.. We DO not have an identity problem, We are proud, of ourselves and of all other races living in Iran. You know something when Iranians talk of iran they always talk about the multicultural society, they talk how Turkomans, arabs, persians, azeris, balochis, armenians all live together and they are proud for that. But when last time i talked to a Turk about the Kurds all he said was that there is no such thing as kurdistan, and that kurds are turks because eveyrone who lives in Turkey is Turks.

          So stop talking about my country calling it Chauvanist, you are a big putdown of Turkish people and civilisation.

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          • #55
            Announcement

            The present-day territory of Nakhichevan's Autonomous Republic, Republic of Azerbaijan, comprises part of Sharur District, Ayrarat Province; Goghtn and Nakhichevan Districts, Vaspurakan Province, as well as Yernjak, Jahuk and Shahaponk, Districts, Syunik Province, Metz Hayk: in 1828 and 1840 they formed part of the Armianskaya Oblast (Armenian Province) established by Russia, being included in Yerevan Marz (Province) after that administrative unit ceased existing, between 1849 and May 1918.

            In late 1919 the present-day territory of Nakhichevan’s Autonomous Republic formed part of the first Republic of Armenia.

            Despite the fact that the invasions of 1918 and 1920 Azerbaijan waged against Armenia with Turkey’s complicity marked certain reduction in the number of Nakhichevan Armenians, they still constituted a considerable part of the local population between the 1920s and 1960s.

            At the period between the Sovietization of the Republic of Armenia on 2 December 1920 and the conclusion of Kars Treaty on 13 October 1921, Nakhichevan Marz de jure formed part of Soviet Armenia as well. That fact is enshrined in a special declaration the authorities of Soviet Azerbaijan (the local Revolutionary Committee) made on 30 November 1920: it proclaimed both Artsakh and Nakhichevan inseparable parts of Soviet Armenia.

            Violating the Armenians,’ particularly Nakhichevan Armenians’ elementary rights, in the absence of the representatives of the Republic of Armenia, on 16 March 1921 Russia and Turkey signed an illegal and invalid treaty, allegedly putting Nakhichevan Marz under the guardianship of Soviet Azerbaijan, but actually annexing it to that country as a self-governing territory.

            In Kars on 13 October 1921, Turkey and the republics of Transcaucasia signed an agreement which ratified the partition of the Republic of Armenia and the annexation of Nakhichevan Marz under the pressure of Bolshevik Russia.

            Following a self-willed decision made by the Soviet authorities, on 9 February 1924 the Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan declared Nakhichevan as an autonomous republic within its borders, completely ignoring at least the formal consent of the signatories to the aforementioned treaty, i.e. Georgia, Turkey, Armenia. By that invalid decision, the Soviet Union and Azerbaijan violated the unlawful clauses of the treaties concluded on 16 March and 13 October 1921, according to which Nakhichevan was not annexed to Azerbaijan as its constituent, but was merely put under its "guardianship."

            Beginning with 1921, Azerbaijan consistently implemented a policy of humiliating Nakhichevan Armenians’ national dignity and infringing upon their rights with the purpose of finally driving them away from their historical homeland: it eventually reached its goal, for between 1921 and 1989, the area was stripped of its ethnic Armenian population.

            The cultural heritage the Armenians created both in Nakhichevan and other parts of their historical motherland throughout many millennia is of pan-human value and significance: it is more than 200 years since it became an object of investigation for foreign researchers as well. At present when the international community seeks prudent ways of settling Karabakh conflict, their endeavours are thwarted by Azerbaijan, which has annihilated an entire cultural legacy through its regular army units.

            According to some foreign scholars' calculations, in the 17th century Jugha Cemetery retained 10,000 cross-stones dating back to the period between the 9th and 17th centuries. Later more than 7,000 khachkars fell prey to the annihilation of cultural monuments launched by Russia between 1905 and 1906 and continued by the Soviet leadership from the 1920s till the ‘70s.

            Before 1998 Jugha comprised an estimated 3,000 cross-stones and several chapels, which were demolished by the Azeri troops in 1998, 2002 and 2005. In 2005 a Scottish researcher travelled in Nakhichevan, where he found out that the Armenian monuments located in the other settlements of the area (Shorot, Agulis, Kerna, Shahaponk, Aprakunis, etc.) had been subjected to the same fate of annihilation.

            The Republic of Armenia should assist the appropriate international bodies, including the international institutions of the Islamic countries, in taking drastic measures against Azerbaijan, that has been destroying the Armenian monuments in Jugha, Nakhichevan, etc. for many decades now. The Armenian Government will certainly reach the desirable results if it includes the PROBLEM IN THE PRIORITIES OF THE FOREIGN POLICY OF THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA.

            Under the current circumstances, only at state level is it possible to expose Azerbaijan’s criminal acts before the international community, making that country bear responsibility for the annihilation of the Armenian monuments and stop it altogether.

            The protection of Nakhichevan’s monuments will also contribute to the fair settlement of Karabakh conflict, showing that peaceful negotiations cannot yield concession to a state demolishing a nation’s cultural heritage.

            The Pan-Armenian Commission for the Protection of Armenian Monuments urges the Government of the Republic of Armenia:

            1. To launch legal proceedings against Azerbaijan in the International Court of Justice for annihilating Nakhichevan’s mediaeval Armenian churches, tombstones and cross-stones; to force that country to deliver up the fragments of the khackars broken in Jugha and other places to the Republic of Armenia;

            2. To take the necessary steps making Azerbaijan to repay for the demolished monuments and their restoration, and permit the arrival of international troops in Nakhichevan for the protection of the local monuments;

            3. To take measures so that the proper international bodies will set up research groups of specialists from Armenia and other countries for the purpose of registering and measuring the Armenian monuments throughout Nakhichevan;

            4. To include the international expose and denunciation of Azerbaijan in the priorities of the foreign policy of the Republic of Armenia and implement it through the Armenian embassies and other appropriate bodies;

            5. The religious, cultural, socio-political and other organizations functioning in the Armenian Diaspora should focus their activity on the protection of the Armenian monuments situated outside the borders of the present-day Republic of Armenia, particularly, Nakhichevan. They should also take the necessary steps making Azerbaijan’s criminal government bear responsibility for what it has perpetrated in international bodies of justice.

            17 January 2006, Pan-Armenian Commission for the Protection of Armenian Monuments

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            • #56
              hehehe You thinking that international troops will be sent to Nakhichevan???

              is this a joke?
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              • #57
                I didn't know international troops existed.

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                • #58
                  What Azeries are doing right now is; leaving a great legacy to their Grad and Grand grandchildren, one day in near future they will be embarrassed when they read about their history and their heroes. Or maybe just like Turkey they will distort their history and then deny everything, every time when the truth is mentioned. (What Turks are masters in)

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                  • #59
                    European Parliament Calls On Azerbaijan To Stop Destruction Of Armenian Cultural Her

                    EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT CALLS ON AZERBAIJAN TO STOP
                    DESTRUCTION OF ARMENIAN CULTURAL HERITAGE IN NAKHICHEVAN



                    Resolution on European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) toward
                    South Caucasus also urges Turkey to end its blockade of Armenia

                    STRASBURG (FRANCE) ? On January 19, 2006 the European Parliament adopted a resolution on its European Neighbourhood Policy toward the South Caucasus which included provisions calling on Azerbaijan to end its destruction of Armenian cultural heritage sites, and urging Turkey to end its border closure with Armenia, reported the European Armenian Federation for Justice and Democracy (EAFJD).

                    The report was prepared by Charles Tannock, MEP (EPP-ED, UK) following the European Counsil's decision in February of 2004 to integrate the South Caucasus into its European Neighbourhood Policy.

                    Two of the most striking elements of the resolution dealt with Azerbaijani and Turkish actions directed against Armenians and the region's ancient Armenian heritage. The first of these urged "Azerbaijani authorities to stop the ongoing destruction of mediaeval Armenian cemeteries and historic carved stone crosses in Southern Nakhichevan." The second "exhorted Turkey to play a constructive role" in the region and "asked Turkey to open its frontier with Armenia."

                    The resolution also noted that, "the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict impedes Armenian and Azerbaijani development, regional cooperation, and the effective establishment of the European Neighbourhood Policy." It called for dialogue between "all the parties concerned," on the basis of minority rights and respect for international legal principles. Furthermore, it asked all concerned parties to let "refugees gradually come back, in particular the return of Azerbaijanis from the occupied territories."

                    "We congratulate the author of this report for his open-minded approach and spirit of consensus-building in the improvement of the provision dealing with the Karabagh conflict. His intervention was certainly decisive in preventing the adoption of the initial unbalanced version of the text," said the chairperson of the European Armenian Federation, Hilda Tchoboian.

                    "We are gratified that the terrible destruction of Armenian cultural heritage in Djoulfa was, at the very least, taken into consideration by an international institution such as the European Parliament. However, the annihilation of these sacred 'khatchkars' [carved stone crosses] by the Azerbaijani armed forces must be forcefully condemned and punished by European authorities, in particular the Council of the European Union. This desecration must be responded to at the same level as the international community's protest of the dynamiting of the Bamiyan Buddhas by Talibans in 2001," concluded Hilda Tchoboian.

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                    • #60
                      Isn't it interesting that not a single one of our half dozen Turkish members here has raised their voice against the destruction of these ancient khachkars? They can't deny that it's happening since we have video taped footage of it, yet they don't condemn it; instead they make excuses for it. Is this not an act of barbarism? How is it different from the Taliban when they destroyed the Budha statues? They were barbarians, and the Azeris are barbarians; it's as simple as that.

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