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  • #51
    I said this before, my grand dad had a neighbour, who is muslim Armenian.

    Hrant Dink( I believe) has an uncle(lived in KAyseri) who converted Islam, a practicing muslim, but still some of the villagers called him as Gavur Yusuf, cause he was of Armenian origin.

    Originally posted by Joseph
    A group from my church toured Eastern Anatolia in the summer of 2001 and met several Armenian individuals and even some small groups. Most were by now Muslim and had Turkish names, basically had becomes Turks for a couple of generations at least. The majority of these people were part Armenian, usually an Armenian grandparent in their ancestry. It appeared that many of the Armenian remnants melded in with the local Kurds, the same story with the Assyrians (Suriani) they encountered.

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    • #52
      So why would they call the town as Watertown? I heard that the Armenians from Su Sehri, Sivas gave that name.


      Originally posted by Joseph
      A group from my church toured Eastern Anatolia in the summer of 2001 and met several Armenian individuals and even some small groups. Most were by now Muslim and had Turkish names, basically had becomes Turks for a couple of generations at least. The majority of these people were part Armenian, usually an Armenian grandparent in their ancestry. It appeared that many of the Armenian remnants melded in with the local Kurds, the same story with the Assyrians (Suriani) they encountered.

      Some Armenians did come back in 1918, especially in Cilicia but after the nationalist revolution, many were killed or fled to France, U.S., Argentina.

      Until WWII, there were upwards to 300,000 Armenians left in Istanbul but during the war and the special tax, work camps, many of those remaing fled and again in 1955 after the riots in Istanbul

      As far as the Armenians in Hatay, I can certainly understand why they felt it necessary the leave. You can't really blame them.

      When what was left of my family came to the U.S. in 1918 (originally from Marash and settled for a couple of years in Beirut beforehand) they settled in Watertown. I've never heard or any ethnic Turks living there, mostly there were Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians. Most Armenians in Watertown are originally from Kharpert, Marash, and Adana

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      • #53
        The British Colonists named it Watertown and it was offically incorporated in to the Massachusetts colony in 1630.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #54
          Bummer!, then I was obviously misinformed about Watertown

          Originally posted by Joseph
          The British Colonists named it Watertown and it was offically incorporated in to the Massachusetts colony in 1630.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by TurQ
            I didnt say there are lots of Armenians living in Anatolia right now, but in 50s early 60s at least I know in Malatya they did. Obviously they did not disappear in 1915 that was what I am saying. It happened gradually. And obviously there was a state policy for the Armenians to immigrate them first to Istanbul and then abroad(tax thing in 40s, 55 events and 64 events).
            You're joking right?

            The few (Thousands - perhaps 20-40 thousand at best - just a guess from what I have read) - had hopes of repopulating villages and restarting - particualrly because of the hope from Wilson's promisses - well - most (most who managed to find something to go back to) didn't last beyond 1921-22 thanks to Karabakir and Ataturk - most were driven back out. Those Armenians who did manage to maintain within Turkey were indeed taxed and persecuted into leaving - particularly in 1955...however these were still but a very small fraction of Armenians who once occupied these lands. Talat boasted that he did more in three months then the Sultan was able to do in 30 years of attempting to "solve the Armenian problem" - and you would call this gradual? How much does the government pay you to spread this crap TurQ - you sound more pathetic with each post.

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            • #56
              Cool town though. One of the very few places in the U.S. where you can walk down the street and buy lamejeun, manti, and sarma. Not too far from Fenway Park either which is home to my favorite team.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • #57
                Sultan's problem was defined as "Eastern Problem" not the "Armenian Problem".
                His right hand was Armenian he would have first got rid of his right hand and then Armenians.

                He saw the problem totally independent of ethnicity. Just a correction. The rest is I think we agree to a degree. After 1918 during French and British occupation, TUrks fought against the Brit + French, and naturally Armenians
                were on their side(French formed armies out of Cilicia Armenians). There is nothing wrong or to be blamed at this point. But they were not driven out, it was the war between Turks and Brits, and the nature of 15 events and 1919-22 are totally different.


                Originally posted by 1.5 million
                You're joking right?

                The few (Thousands - perhaps 20-40 thousand at best - just a guess from what I have read) - had hopes of repopulating villages and restarting - particualrly because of the hope from Wilson's promisses - well - most (most who managed to find something to go back to) didn't last beyond 1921-22 thanks to Karabakir and Ataturk - most were driven back out. Those Armenians who did manage to maintain within Turkey were indeed taxed and persecuted into leaving - particularly in 1955...however these were still but a very small fraction of Armenians who once occupied these lands. Talat boasted that he did more in three months then the Sultan was able to do in 30 years of attempting to "solve the Armenian problem" - and you would call this gradual? How much does the government pay you to spread this crap TurQ - you sound more pathetic with each post.

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                • #58
                  Actually the numbers are far greater than 20-40 thousands. Only in Malatya that was the number, I'll try to find the numbers. The HAtay Armenians are far more than 40,000. Only in Izmit it was 4,000(according to armenianow.com magazine).

                  Also Armenians in Erzurum and Kars lived there during the Russian occupation,
                  I dont think they were the Armenians from somewhere else, obviously after 1916 they(obviously not all) returned back. We know that Armenians got back to Marash and Adana during French occupation. I dont think it would be hard to find the numbers. This is just to object that the numbers were around 20-40 thousand.


                  Originally posted by 1.5 million
                  You're joking right?

                  The few (Thousands - perhaps 20-40 thousand at best - just a guess from what I have read) - had hopes of repopulating villages and restarting - particualrly because of the hope from Wilson's promisses - well - most (most who managed to find something to go back to) didn't last beyond 1921-22 thanks to Karabakir and Ataturk - most were driven back out. Those Armenians who did manage to maintain within Turkey were indeed taxed and persecuted into leaving - particularly in 1955...however these were still but a very small fraction of Armenians who once occupied these lands. Talat boasted that he did more in three months then the Sultan was able to do in 30 years of attempting to "solve the Armenian problem" - and you would call this gradual? How much does the government pay you to spread this crap TurQ - you sound more pathetic with each post.

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                  • #59
                    It is lahmajun, Armenians say like LahmaJan.
                    I've hot delicous dry raisins from a grocery in watertown.

                    Manti and SArma are always delicous

                    Originally posted by Joseph
                    Cool town though. One of the very few places in the U.S. where you can walk down the street and buy lamejeun, manti, and sarma. Not too far from Fenway Park either which is home to my favorite team.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by TurQ
                      It is lahmajun, Armenians say like LahmaJan.
                      I've hot delicous dry raisins from a grocery in watertown.

                      Manti and SArma are always delicous
                      Yes they are delicious.But don't forget kebab!!!.Especially Adana Kebab!!!

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