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  • Anti-M - "response" in kind

    As you are so apt to address posts line by line (failing usually to truly understand both the meaning of the line and the post as a whole) and answering (for the most part with gibberish) I will assist the audience (by translating your responses) and you (by talking simple and pre-dividing my response into small bite sized chunks so that you can (perhaps) handle it.



    me>

    If all you did was present your idea of such a "conspiracy" and when we disagreed (or laughed at you) you accepted such realizing that not everyone (or even most) are going to agree with such projections etc then that would be OK. But as soon as any disagree or say - no we can't support your - in our opinion - extremism - you begin calling everyone a traitor & a filfthy this, dirty that & worse - well - that is not acceptable. Regardless of what you say - you are in the wrong - not us.

    Marie>

    For someone who has been putting out all kinds of LIES and BS, you have some nerve to talk. Sorry, YOU are wrong, not us...regardless of what YOU say! You think that just because a bunch of ignorant, traitorous morons think the same way as you do that makes YOU right? No, it doesn't. The difficult path, the correct path, is not clear or obvious to the lazy, indolent sorts who are incapble of THINKING.

    >Anti-M translation: No we don't you do!

    >My response: Here is hanky, please wipe the spittle from your mouth..



    me>

    And claiming that what you are saying is just idle conspiracy speculation etc glosses over your very clear message of hate (your denials notwithstanding) and falls into the (blind and ultimately unsupportable) anti-Semitic trap that certain folks (mostly who claim to be "good" Christians) have fallen into for hundreds of years.

    Marie>

    We categorically reject the use of the term "anti-Semitic" as it is totally bogus, having nothing to do with Arabs, who are the majority of Semitic people. I am damn sick and tired of imbeciles such as you calling people "haters" because they tell the truth and think that truth = hate. Sorry, we don't buy that line of BS BS BS BS bla bla bla and that's just what you sound like going on like the rest of the robotic non-thinking liars.

    >Anti-M translation: We hate Jews - understand! Hitler "told the truth" - we can't help it that you are to much of a robot to see it! Screech, Heil Hitler! Kill the Jews! Hitler was just taking good care of the Jews - good German kindness - and look how they betrayed him! Squawk! All traitors deserve death!

    >My response: No really, you can keep the hanky, I really don't want it back, yeech!



    me>

    While you may have an isolated point or two that actually can be taken seriously - overall your extreme hatred (and lack of real knowledge & insight) are what come through most clearly.

    Marie>

    To the contrary, more backward talk from a liar. We know what we're talking about and we have the proof as well, your erroneous claims notwithstanding. You never replied to the last post I made to you because you could not dispute its truth.

    >Anti-M translation: Our clippings from the Aryan nations youth pamphlet are all the truth we need thank you. Can't you see I am holding my hands over my ears? I'm not listening!

    >My response: Well what can I say? Here is the number of a good shrink I know. No, I never said you had a problem...its just for a consultation...those pills will help you to relax...



    me>

    Why is it that everywhere you go you only encounter "traitors" and "Jew lovers" etc?

    Marie>

    We call them as we see them. We are looking for our enemies and we find them. This is NOT a social club to make nice, this is about serious matters, not fun and games. You and your moronic fellow liars would have us believe that the Internet and forums such as this are places for the egregiously lonely to make friends and socialize. Well, you are wrong. It is a place where truth is going to prevail and justice is going to be demanded. We have legitimate grievances and we are going to be heard!

    >Anti-M translation: Jews & traitors are everywhere. We (ISSA and I) may be the only ones not affected. They have been poisoning our food I know (but I have been taking the antidote) and they send out control signals over my TV - that is why I smashed it to pieces the other day. I have plugged my ears and never talk to strangers...

    >My response: Shame you are missing life...is hate & death really so much fun?



    me>

    Can’t you understand that it is the people who hate (like you) who are the ones that commit the (genocidal etc) crimes against others and who do the terrible things that you are so (apparently) outraged over - not the “Turks” or the “Jews” or any particular racial group of people.

    Marie>

    No, it is NOT people like us who commit genocidal crimes. It is people like YOU that allow those people to function freely in society and continue with their wrondoing because no one DARED speak out! Well, welcome to the 21st century of the Internet. No more free rides!


    >AntiM translation: All violence and oppression in the world is due to people who are kind and understanding and accepting of other people and their differences. If all of these people would be killed - right now - we wouldn't have any more problems - we know enough not to associate with the "animals" of the world (ie everyone but ourselves)

    >My response: I am not as naive as you seem to think (and apparently you don't read or understand my posts concerning the Genocide etc). But yes, I thoroughly reject your approach (and "ideas"). I am no "traitor" - though to you everyone is. I think your type is dangerous and detrimental to our cause (so perhaps I should call you a "traitor") and most agree with me.



    me>

    That you fail to understand this is your first failing – and is a major one (have you learned nothing as an Armenian?).

    Marie>

    I think I just explained to you that is YOUR failing, not ours. Armenians should know better than anyone else the result of failing to go after the wrongdoers.


    >Anti -M translation: No - you are

    >My response: again you do not understand much


    me>

    Hate is the crime – regardless of the source – and no one ethnicity or people is all bad or can be indiscriminately blamed. (your second failing).

    Marie>

    No, genocide, wanton killing and covering up those acts is the crime. Defending the guilty is the crime. Your second failing, not ours. We have never blamed ALL of any group idiot.


    >Anti-M translation: No - hate is good, compassion & understanding are bad. Blaming the Jews indiscriminately for everything is all we are capable of doing anyway. Do you really expect that we could understand the complexities of real history, politics and current events. Not all Jews - just most! Some Jews just go into the chamber without complaining - we like those Jews.

    >My response: Oh for a minute there I thought you hated all Jews - I mean with such blanket comments you have made. Please explain your views on the "traitor" Morganthau however - I am not clear on him...

    me>

    (And you comically oversimplify). Your third failing is your vulgarity – pure and simple.

    Marie>

    Lying is exceedingly more vulgar than any bad language. Space us your hypocrisy! There is nothing comical or excusable about lies. Now that you have been told the truth, you have no excuse to continue in your errors and your errors are all the more great if you continue after being told what is right.

    >Anti-M translation: And they laughed at Mein Kampf too! Now they will learn not to laugh...

    >My response: You are correct - nothing comical about lies - or about hatred really (though you guys still make me laugh - and perhaps cry a bit as well). But I have been "told what is right" according to you....my my - sorry I don't buy it and neither does anybody else...

    me>

    So please – take your “crusade” and your “inquisition” elsewhere. I don’t think you will find any converts here.

    Marie>

    Pretentious piece of xxxx! Who in the hell are you to tell us to go elsewhere bastard? Are you even Armenian? I think not. Even if you were, we would still tell you to go to hell. We look not for converts, but for enemies and we expose liars such as yourself. Sure, lying bastards don't like it one bit. Well, too bad and tough xxxx. The truth will be told.

    >Anti-M translation: I don't really have anything of substance to say so I will make an Ad Hominem attack (as I always like to accuse others of) And I will say some "bad" words to scare all of you with. And pretty much say more of the same (nothings) in every post

    >My response: None needed really. You make a fool of yourself quite well I think.

    Posted on Jan 11, 2001, 10:33 AM

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    • I am surprised that you are not ashamed. That crap you wrote is awfully LAME.


      But you have been showing everyone here just what you are.

      You had some people really fooled.

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      • Originally posted by Hellektor
        I paste the following for the millionth time:

        "Azeri" History for Dummies


        "Azerbaijan" is an artificially created "country" on Armenian territory as a result of an artificial insemination between the Turkish phallus and Russian Bolshevik anus.
        Artificial or not, Azeris are turks living on both sides of border on North wester Iran.
        When this Frankenstein monster was dumped from the Bolshevik rectum, they stole the name of their fake country from the northwest region of Iran and no one protested except some patriotic Iranians who were willing to give up their 2200 right to the name Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) and call it Azadestan in order not to be associated with the fake "nation"…
        Why you care about the name. Aran or Azerbaijan: People who are living there are azeri turks. Otherwise Azeris could not talk to each other if they were not speaking the same language. But they can speak to each other. They even look different from ethnic Iranians such as Persians, Kurds or Balochs.
        Then, this fictitious newly fabricated “nation” called itself “Azeri”, a nation that has NEVER existed throughout human history thus, a non-entity.
        They were called Tatars before 1918 and that was after the region fell under Russian rule in the 19th century. Before that these tribal nomads distinguished one another from the color of their sheep.
        Who cares about that?
        Azari is a term used by Arab historians to describe the LANGUAGE of the people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), north-west of Iran and ALWAYS south of the Arax River. It was a language of the PERSIAN family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Aturpatekan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to distinguish it from other Pahlavi dialects. Later when the people of Aturpatekan were forced to become speakers of Turkish, the word Azari was wrongly attributed to the Turkish dialect of these people, AND NEVER TO THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES.
        The People you are talking about talking a dialect of Pahlavi language are either dead killed by Azeris or they live as a minority in this region speaking the same language such as Tat and Talesh. They are not azeris. Azeris are turks who speak a different language.
        Later, after a passionate copulation between the Jew-Tatar Kemal and the Jew-Tatar Lenin, the Armenian provinces of Artsakh and Nakhijevan were illegally annexed to the Frankenstein monster and Kars, Ardahan, Ardvin and Surmalu that had never been a part of Ottoman Tyranny, (our beautiful Ani that has been savagely destroyed since and our most sacred symbol, mount Ararat were included in the package) were given just like that to Turkey.

        Consult all the maps of the region and you see that a country called Azerbaijan north of the Arax River did not exist before 1918, and Armenia extended in the east to the river Kur until the 19th century. Earlier, Armenia reached the Caspian sea.
        Even Arab historians considered Aghvank as part of Greater Armenia (Medz Haik).
        All your nonsense is not going to change anything. Azeris are Turks and are not related to Iranian people that includes Azeris in Iran or in Aran or Azerbaijan whatever you want to call it.
        They were called the Tatars of the Caucasus before 1918 and that was a promotion for these roaming, nomadic, Turkic tribes with their tribe names, which they got when the region was conquered by the Russians.
        "Azeri" is a fabrication. Believe it or not. They are Turks and they speak Turkish.


        I took a deep breath too many in this very thread and still Gondorian is accusing me of claiming that Iran is being Turkified. He has a severe case of dyslexia.
        BTW, apology accepted. Hope you'll stay in this forum.
        Cultural Turkification has nothing to do with Azeris. It has to do with non-Turk Iranians.

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        • Are you trying to impress someone with that pathetic nonsense of yours that you saved and hold so dear? Well I know you will impress at least two people, Gondorian the moron and Kharpet the other moron. You three stooges are the funniest xxxx in this forum. Nazi Nazi Nazi, hate hate hate, holocaust holocaust, save the jews save the jews. Fkn klown. You might be able to fool some of the people some of the time, but you haven't fooled me at all because I know your kind very well!

          I know you don't give a rat's ass about Armenians or Armenia, because you're not Armenian and your primary concerns are for the jews, otherwise you wouldn't be covering their crimes against the Armenian people. I have always known this, but more importantly, everyone else knows now.

          turks who were jewish, indeed!

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          • It's all in a name

            Originally posted by Gondorian
            Well Mr.Ahmadinejad the age of Persian Imperialism is over, we taught you a lesson about invading Greece the first time you tried Imperialism by destroying your Empire, and know your excuse for imperialism is that they are Tartars.

            Besides Tartars do have their own traditions and culture, traditions and culture which do not support killing women for having sex, and so in that way is vastly superior to Persian Mr.Ahmadinejad.

            Azerbaijan exists now like it or not, unless you are going to demand the destruction of other recent creations like Lebanon and Iraq you can't demand the annexation of Azerbaijan by Iran.

            If your country wants to discuss civilization it better stop executing women and girls for adultery.

            However you have no intention of doing that so I have no intentions of continuing to read your uncritical support for your government Mr.Ahmadinejad.
            You're one hypocritical, Zionist Shylock!
            Ahmadinejad is no friend of mine. It won't go in your hypocrite head.

            I'm an Armenian and the Persian Empire didn't f**k no one worse then they did Armenia.

            Darius invaded Armenia five times before he subjugated it. I won't tell you how many times Shapur II and other Sassanid kings ransacked Armenia.
            And your dear Greece too! I already told you, if it was not for Byzantine treachery, Turkey (the main virus), the "Republic" of "Northern" Cyprus (the mini crapware) and Azgarbageland (a bigger crapware) would not even exist. So cut the crap.

            Azerbaijan (from Aturpatekan, Aturpayegan) is a PERSIAN, INDO-EUROPEAN (although I don't like the term), ARYAN, IRANIAN word and Ural-Altaic, Oghuz-Turkmen, Mongolo-Tatar savage invaders don't have the right to use and abuse it.

            By calling their fake "country" Azerbaijan, they also steal the entire Iranian history and some.

            They claim the Persian poet Nezamy e Ganjavi is an "Azeri" because he was born in the occupied Armenian city of Gandzak (Ganja), whereas he has never written a single verse in Turkish. An average "Azeri" cannot even read his poems.

            They claim the great Iranian hero Babak e Khorramdin, who stood up against the Arabs, to be an "Azeri" because he was from the real Azarbaijan, although he fought the Arabs in 820s, more than two hundred years before the filthy cloven hoofs of any Turk had desecrated this side of the Caspian.
            He might not even have seen any Turks in his entire life.

            They claim the Iranian dynasties such as the Safavids were "Azeri" although they were the kings of Persia and always referred to as such. No "Azeri" dynasty has ever existed besides that of the Aliyevs.

            They claim that Zoroaster, the Iranian prophet was "Azeri" only because he was supposedly born in the real Azarbaijan, although his exact place of birth is disputed.

            They also claim every other civilization like the Armenian kingdom of Van (Urartu) and Aratta, the Medes, the Aghvank, the Mittani, Minni, Sumerians, Aramaic, Hurrians, Hitites, Greeks, Parthians, Elamite, Achaemenids, Lydians, Thracians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Accadians, Babylonians, Etruscans and god knows what not were all "Azeri", where no such thing as "Azeri" has ever existed throughout human history.

            I can go on for ever, but I think this is enough to show that in the case of such barbaric, culture deficiency viruses, it's all in a name!

            Wasn't it your Greek government who objected that the neighboring country be called Macedonia and forced them to change it into Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia? (Although I don't think the Macedonians would so shamelessly steal Greek history like the "Azeri" vermin does.)

            And right they did too. Contrary to what you try to fool others to think, it was the laxity of Iran that allowed for this fake nonentity to abuse the name "Azerbaijan". They shouldn't have let them do it in the first place. They didn't object because (and these are in my opinion):

            I. Probably they thought that way they could reclaim the region that was taken from their rule by the Russians in the 19th century.

            II. Fake "Azerbaijan" is the only Shiite country in the world besides Iran.


            Here some suggestions for the bogus "Azerbaijan":
            Azgarbageland
            Azerbaboonistan (thx to Jooboian)
            Azerbatiljan (thx to Gavur)
            Azerbademjan (bademjan = Persian for aubergine)
            Tatar Occupied Armenian Territories
            Turk Occupied Caucasus Territories
            Invaded Aghvank and Armenia
            etc., etc., etc.

            P.S. In MY Armenian culture and tradition no woman is killed for having sex you piece of ****. You deserve this insult because you don't fukkin get it.
            You just want to aggravate me.
            Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

            I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
            II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
            III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
            IV. They shut up and say nothing.

            [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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            • کور خوندی

              Originally posted by Gondorian
              Ok

              Sorry about the misunderstanding osloner, I meant nothing against you, I just kind of don't like when people dream of restoring a former glory from 1000 years ago and so wants a war to do it.

              So Osloner if you were in power in Iran what would you do differently?

              If I'm annoying you with these questions sorry, it is my job as an Athenian to ask as many questions as possible.
              You piece of **** pan-turkist, gray wolf...

              Oslonor is a pan-turkist who wants to "realize" the Jewey Lewis Project in Iran, by sowing the seeds of hate and planting animosity among the Iranians of different ethnicity. But:

              کور خوندی as the Iranians say, and I won't bother translating it. Your ass was kicked in 1946 and it will be kicked again.

              However, if the agitations cause Sumgait style killings of Armenians in real Azarbaijan, then you two clowns have blood on your hands too.
              Stop propagating the destruction of Iran.
              Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

              I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
              II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
              III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
              IV. They shut up and say nothing.

              [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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              • Joobian

                Greeks have a custom, we don't even dignify Neo-Nazis with responses, and so I will not dignify anything else you say with a response.

                Hellektor

                osloner and I have not said anything pan-Turk, and the only person who seems to have a problem here is you.

                Your views and opinions are all things Ahmadinejad would agree with, and the fact that you HAVE tried to insult me with a Jewish name shows that you are an anti-Semite.

                Unless you can show me a single way you are different then Ahmadinejad I will not distinguish between you and your Persian Nieghbours. I really could care less that you are Armenian, I respond to people as individuals not as groups, and you as an individual have not shown yourself to be any different then Mr.Ahmadinejad.

                You seem very bitter about the fact that Armenia lost it's wars with the Greeks, are you demanding a rematch? Judging from what else you have to say I wouldn't be surprised if you were. Greece has defeated Iran every time the two have been in conflict to we are great at defending ourselves.

                You have failed to meet any standard of proof for Iran being Turkified, infact the persecution of Sunnis makes that pretty god dam unlikely.

                The only reason why Greece has not smashed the Turkish Army in Cyprus is fear that it would cause a civil war between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots.

                You are pathetic at proving a point, the fact is you have no point to prove you just want Iran to go to war to annex Azerbaijan, and that is called War Mongering.

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                • Originally posted by Gondorian
                  Joobian

                  Greeks have a custom, we don't even dignify Neo-Nazis with responses, and so I will not dignify anything else you say with a response.


                  Hellektor

                  osloner and I have not said anything pan-Turk, and the only person who seems to have a problem here is you.

                  Unless you can show me a single way you are different then Ahmadinejad I will not distinguish between you and your Persian Nieghbours. I really could care less that you are Armenian, I respond to people as individuals not as groups, and you as an individual have not shown yourself to be any different then Mr.Ahmadinejad.
                  I don't know why I dignify your garbage.
                  I have answered all this in my previous posts. You constantly keep on associating me with the Iranian regime, so that I freak out and say something and get arrested.

                  You are a myopic, dyslexic, wily, cunning, treacherous, Zionist, pan-turkist agitator.

                  I said a thousand times in this thread:
                  I. Oslonor "believes" that the Turkish speaking Iranians living in the real Azarbaijan (Aturaptekan) are one and the same as the bogus "nation" north of the Arax.
                  This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                  Wrong, a thousand times wrong.

                  II. Oslonor "believes" a nation called "Azeri" exists.
                  This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                  Wrong, a thousand times wrong.
                  This fake "nation" was artificially created by Ottomans and Bolsheviks to destroy Armenia.

                  III. Oslonor "believes" the fictitious "nation" speaks a language called "Azeri".
                  This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                  Wrong, a thousand times wrong.
                  They speak a dialect of Turkish. So do the Turkish speaking Iranians as a result of centuries long Turkish domination of the area. Azari was referred to by Arab historians to the language spoken in the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) and it was a dialect of Pahlavi Persian.

                  IV. Oslonor "believes" that Iran should be dissected according to that devil Burntarse Jewis' project.
                  This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                  No self-respecting Iranian will want a square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. The only "people" who want this are the pan-turkists and their zionist supporters like you.
                  Oslonor is not even an Iranian, he says this on his blog.

                  Originally posted by Gondorian
                  You seem very bitter about the fact that Armenia lost it's wars with the Greeks, are you demanding a rematch? Judging from what else you have to say I wouldn't be surprised if you were. Greece has defeated Iran every time the two have been in conflict to we are great at defending ourselves.
                  You really are sick. When did I say that? You really are driving me mad.
                  I said: because of Byzantine treachery, the Turks "won" the battle of Manazkert.
                  It's you who constantly whine about Persians invading you.

                  Originally posted by Gondorian
                  ...Your views and opinions are all things Ahmadinejad would agree with, and the fact that you HAVE tried to insult me with a Jewish name shows that you are an anti-Semite.
                  Your hypocrisy is leaking out of my monitor and the stench is suffocating.
                  I told you before: I called you Shlomo because I believed you were a Jew, not to insult you. Now I know you're a Turk disguised as a Greek, you hypiocrite.
                  You immediately sew yellow patches to everyone's chest you don't approve of. Jooboian was right: your instantly unleash your emotional blackmail:
                  Nazi Nazi Nazi, anti-Semite anti-Semite anti-Semite...

                  Well, I have clarified my views on Jews in another thread and I have news for you:
                  I don't buy the whole anti-Semite crap.
                  Like all the other Zionist creations, this is nonsense:

                  Firstly:It implies that we have to believe their mythology about Noah (copied from the Iranian mythology of Fereidun and his three sons, who contrary to the plagiarized version were of the same Iranian race).
                  I don't believe in such thing as Semites or Japhetites, etc.

                  Secondly: When I was a kid and I heard the term for the first time, I thought it meant someone who is against Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, etc. When I found out that it only meant Jews I was astonished.
                  It's clear that for their emotional blackmail they had to avoid using the word Jew, so anti-Semite was invented to mean anti-Jewish. I wonder why.

                  What do you call someone who wants to destroy Iran?
                  Anti-Aryan?

                  What do you call someone who wants to destroy Armenia and denies the Armenian Genocide?
                  Is there a term for that? Why not?


                  Originally posted by Gondorian
                  You have failed to meet any standard of proof for Iran being Turkified, infact the persecution of Sunnis makes that pretty god dam unlikely.
                  That's it. One more time you accuse me of this xxxx and I'll report you, you sick ****.
                  All throughout this thread I repeat that Iran is NOT being turkified, it's what your buddy oslonor is claiming and you repeat this filth again and again.

                  Originally posted by Gondorian
                  The only reason why Greece has not smashed the Turkish Army in Cyprus is fear that it would cause a civil war between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots.
                  I wish they did. I truly wish they threw them in the Mediterranean.

                  Originally posted by Gondorian
                  You are pathetic at proving a point, the fact is you have no point to prove you just want Iran to go to war to annex Azerbaijan, and that is called War Mongering.
                  Cretin, I don't want Iran to annex Azgarbageland, it's your pan-turkist friend oslonor that wants to annex the REAL Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), the one SOUTH of the Arax River, you dyslexic retard, to the fake one and I object to that. Are you blind? What part of this you don't get?

                  It seems you "confuse" the two:
                  There's only one Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), and that is SOUTH of the Arax.
                  The one, the fake "Republic" of Azgarbageland, north of the Arax is FAKE.
                  Do you get it, you mentally challenged, myopic ****?
                  Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                  I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                  II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                  III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                  IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                  [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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                  • Originally posted by Hellektor
                    I don't know why I dignify your garbage.
                    I have answered all this in my previous posts. You constantly keep on associating me with the Iranian regime, so that I freak out and say something and get arrested.

                    You are a myopic, dyslexic, wily, cunning, treacherous, Zionist, pan-turkist agitator.

                    I said a thousand times in this thread:
                    I. Oslonor "believes" that the Turkish speaking Iranians living in the real Azarbaijan (Aturaptekan) are one and the same as the bogus "nation" north of the Arax.
                    This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                    Wrong, a thousand times wrong.

                    II. Oslonor "believes" a nation called "Azeri" exists.
                    This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                    Wrong, a thousand times wrong.
                    This fake "nation" was artificially created by Ottomans and Bolsheviks to destroy Armenia.

                    III. Oslonor "believes" the fictitious "nation" speaks a language called "Azeri".
                    This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                    Wrong, a thousand times wrong.
                    They speak a dialect of Turkish. So do the Turkish speaking Iranians as a result of centuries long Turkish domination of the area. Azari was referred to by Arab historians to the language spoken in the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) and it was a dialect of Pahlavi Persian.

                    IV. Oslonor "believes" that Iran should be dissected according to that devil Burntarse Jewis' project.
                    This is what the pan-turkists claim.
                    No self-respecting Iranian will want a square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. The only "people" who want this are the pan-turkists and their zionist supporters like you.
                    Oslonor is not even an Iranian, he says this on his blog.
                    It is very simple and I am not going to use labels about you. Azeris were imported or moved into Persia from 11 century onward. The reason was to create a buffer against the Anatolian Turks or the Ottoman Empire which was a threat to Persia. They were going to protect Persia against the ottoman turks. Azeris are mostly a tribal nomadic people who were good soldiers at the time and they have a very simple culture based on tribalism. Whatever they achieved such as the Saffavid Empire in 15 and 16 century was based on the leadership of Persians. Now recently these Azeris have turned to be a danger to Iran in connection with the take over of the power in Iran by Azeri under Islamic revolution. It is an irony of history where Azeris who were supposed to protect Persia against Ottoman Turks now have turned into a danger to Persia or Iran. The same ottoman turks have to save Persia from these Azeri turks by subjucating them in some kind of Turkish republic and separating them from Iran. Iran does not need this small piece of land. The Afghan Empire includes a vast area and Iran will not miss the loss of Azerbaijan to Turkey. And from Persians we wish Azeris good luck living together with their turkish brothers in Aran and Turkey.

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                    • Gondorian, read this!

                      Originally posted by oslonor
                      The same ottoman turks have to save Persia from these Azeri turks by subjucating them in some kind of Turkish republic and separating them from Iran. Iran does not need this small (??? H.) piece of land. (Says who??? The pan-turkists of course. H.) The Afghan Empire includes a vast area and Iran will not miss the loss of Azerbaijan to Turkey. And from Persians we wish Azeris good luck (Why am I not surprised? H.) living together with their turkish brothers in Aran and Turkey.
                      I had decided not to reply to oslonor, it's for you Gondorian, you Zionist agitator, don't you pretend not to notice this.
                      Oslonor is a pan-turkist who wants to separate the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) that's been a part of Iran for 2300 years and give it to the bogus Azgarbageland that was artificially inseminated in 1918.
                      A look at the map of the region will show that this will suffocate Armenia in a Turkish quagmire. That's pan-turkist rule No1: Destroy Armenia.
                      Oslonor doesn't seem to care and yet he's writing in an Armenian forum.

                      No Iranian will allow a single square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. Just think of the three tiny islands in the Persian Gulf, claimed by the Emirates.
                      No Iranian is demanding a single square nanometer of Afghanistan. This is a blatant pan-turkist lie.


                      Compare:
                      Originally posted by Hellektor
                      They ("Azeris" H.) claim the Iranian dynasties such as the Safavids were "Azeri" although they were the kings of Persia and always referred to as such. No "Azeri" dynasty has ever existed besides that of the Aliyevs.
                      Originally posted by oslonor
                      Azeris are mostly a tribal nomadic people... Whatever they achieved such as the Saffavid Empire in 15 and 16 century was based on the leadership of Persians.
                      No comment.
                      Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                      I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                      II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                      III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                      IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                      [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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