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Originally posted by oslonor
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I understand your position. You think it is crazy that Anatolian Turks and Persians are on the same side against Azeri Turks. Pan Turkism was supposed to be all turks are supporting each other and be on the same side. But the situation in Iran is very strange and that is the only country where Turkey does not support Turks.Originally posted by TurQComment
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Hitite
[EDIT BY HOVIK: NO LANGUAGE IN FORUM EXCEPT ENGLISH OR ARMENIAN]
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Phantom, don't buy what he says.Originally posted by phantom
There's no such thing as Persians wanting to separate. I was born and grew up in this country. If you go back and read my posts in this very thread, you'll see that this is a pan-turkist conspiracy, trying desperately to sow the seeds of hate in Iran. They tried it in 1946 and failed. They'll fail again.
BTW, why was phantom banned
Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:
I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
IV. They shut up and say nothing.
[URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]Comment
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Phantom's not going to ignore forum rules:Originally posted by HellektorPhantom, don't buy what he says.
There's no such thing as Persians wanting to separate. I was born and grew up in this country. If you go back and read my posts in this very thread, you'll see that this is a pan-turkist conspiracy, trying desperately to sow the seeds of hate in Iran. They tried it in 1946 and failed. They'll fail again.
BTW, why was phantom banned
He's being given a second chance, his suspension will be up in a few days, hopefully he respects the forum...Comment
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Hovik jan,Originally posted by HovikPhantom's not going to ignore forum rules:
He's being given a second chance, his suspension will be up in a few days, hopefully he respects the forum...
I think we have a problem.
I don't think it will go away by us shying away from it.
We have both suffered in history, but it seems they have not learned much from their suffering.
We need to find a way to address the issue without being nasty. I hope it's only because you don't want others coming here to have a distorted picture of the Armenians that you are sensitive about the issue.
I know that Andrew Goldberg's film about the AG was shown in the US. We do have to thank him.
Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was even a Zionist, stood by the Armenians till the end (as far as I know), whereas many Protestants and missionaries turned their backs on Armenia when they got the sweet smell of oil.
Many Jewish organizations and scholars stand by the Armenians and some even condemn Israel.
I remember a thread in a Jewish forum discussing the issue and most of the users were pro Armenian.
All that said, there is a problem. I only want to be enlightened.
Right now the thing that pisses me off the most is the actual goings on:
Their pressuring Armenia to make concessions to "Azeris", when it was the "Azeris" who committed genocidal acts, started the war, can't stop the hate propaganda and war mongering, mutilated Gurgen Markarian, glorified the monster, destroyed every trace of our presence in "Azeri" occupied Armenian land...
Why don't they condemn the action, instead they want to eliminate the consequences thereof?
Isn't their actions enough to have "Azerbaijan" executed?
Why are they doing this to us?
Don't you think by this antagonism between us, we are harming ourselves?
Is it me or the Turkish participation has really diminished?
They are sitting laughing at us while we have lost the focus.
The ever manipulative Turks:
Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:
I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
IV. They shut up and say nothing.
[URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]Comment
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They are not just siting and laughing
They are taking notice and evolving their knowledge
An interesting page between two Turks from the same forum that you gave us links to
Here they are fighting to prove which of them is more liberal .
"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)Comment
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Posted by Hellketor:
Phantom, don't buy what he says.
There's no such thing as Persians wanting to separate. I was born and grew up in this country. If you go back and read my posts in this very thread, you'll see that this is a pan-turkist conspiracy, trying desperately to sow the seeds of hate in Iran. They tried it in 1946 and failed. They'll fail again.
Oslonor:
You accept that there are Azeri separatist. If you can accept that then you should accept that there are Persian separatist too. For more discussion of Azeris and Persians see here:
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