The Turks

[1.5 million]

Hellektor -

I stand by what I said. I do not at all buy your characterization of Pan Turkism having anything to do with Jews except that some of the Turks were Jewish - however they were clearly acting as Turks and their religious affiliation did not come into play. Likewise I don't at all see being able to say "Jews" had a part in the Armenian Genocide any more then someone might claim (and they do) that Armenians had a role in the Holocaust because some Armenians happened to have joined the Nazi party or joined the German military in whatever capacity. So yes - to blame Jews is an untruthful generalization. By doing so you obscure the real causes of the Genocide by putting up this false Jewish/Zionist agenda that never existed in this context.

[imported_Hellektor]

Woody Allen

I love Woody Allen movies. From his movies I can think of three cases where he mentions the Armenians:
In one movie (I don’t remember which one) there’s a mention of “greasy” or dirty Armenians. I’m not sure of the term that is used but it’s in that sense.

In another (All you wanted to know…) an Armenian called Stavros Milos (I don’t know why he’s using a Greek name for an Armenian) is an animal xxxxer that visits the doctor (Gene Wilder) for his problem.

In a third one, the one where he is temporarily blind, after seeing for the first time the movie he made when he was blind, he cries “Call doctor Kevorkian”, as if that’s the only proper representative of the Armenians.

Can you tell us why the Hollyjewd never made a movie about hundreds of thousands of Armenians who fought a war that wasn't even theirs to flush Hitler down the drain of history while "Azeris" were using communism to invade Iran and annex the real Azarbaijan to their bogus state during WWII?

Why they never show the thousand upon thousands of Armenians casualties (dead or injured) or the partisan Armenian fighters in France and other European countries who gave their lives to liberate the world of Nazis?



Some examples to refresh the memory:
The " 89th Armenian army division that cut 3700 kilometers, liberated 900 areas, 7333 of its soldiers received medals and distinctions, 9 became Soviet Heroes. They even reached Berlin and danced the Kochari in front of the Reichstag.

The 76th division who crossed 7000 kilometers, liberated 600 areas, gave 21 Soviet Heroes. Or the "infamous" 390th or the "infamous" 261st or the "infamous" 409th or the "infamous" 408th... They fought on all the fronts in the Caucasus, Crimea, Moscow, Odessa, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Japan, etc.

103 Armenians became Soviet Heroes, 23 were knighted with the award of Glory, 70,000 received awards and medals. There were about 60 Armenian generals in the ranks of the Soviet army commanders, among who General Baghramian (later became Soviet Marshal, repeatedly Soviet Hero and army commander), Admiral Isakov (Khanferiants), Gen. Babajanian (later field marshal of armored division), Gen. Barseghov, Gen. Galajev, Gen. Martirossian, Gen. Karapetian, Gen. Toumanian and others.

[1.5 million]

Arto Vartanian - you are both sick and laughable.

[Jooboian]

There can be no excuse for HATE!

Then go tell the jew huggers to stop hating Nazis. Personally I neither condone nor condemn hate as it is the choice of individuals and it's really their problem as they're the ones who will get consumed by it. Personally, I'm not capable of hate, but I can sure as hell get angry enough that you'll know about it, but if you mistakenly or purposly misinterpret it as hate, then that's your problem and I'm not going to go out of my way to explain myself every time someone decided to throw the word out because I don't owe anyone any kind of explanation and accusing someone of hate for telling the truth, holds as much water as accusing an Arab of anti-semitism.

I'm not taking sides neither am I claiming to be most knowledgable,intelligant or scholarly my heurastic approach to life forces me to express.

As long as you dont denie the A.G. I will fight for your right to express your thoughts whether your a jew a Turk or Armenian if the forum is appropriate.

Then do it instead of just saying it. Whatever I write is about the AG or related so this forum is most appropriate.

Know this too the louder you yell the less people hear you.

By the same token, it's the squeeky wheel that get's the oil. Some people only understand the stick and since the pen is mightier than the sword, I can understand why it seems loud to you.

Just do yourself a favor and don't blindly hop on bandwagons of what you deem to be politically correctness, tolerant and other such BS that is frequently expressed by the hypocrites but rarely put in practice.

[Jooboian]

Arto Vartanian - you are both sick and laughable.

Yea sure, give me a call I'm in the book. :-) Asswipe loooozer!

[Jooboian]

Hellektor -

I stand by what I said. I do not at all buy your characterization of Pan Turkism having anything to do with Jews except that some of the Turks were Jewish - however they were clearly acting as Turks and their religious affiliation did not come into play. Likewise I don't at all see being able to say "Jews" had a part in the Armenian Genocide any more then someone might claim (and they do) that Armenians had a role in the Holocaust because some Armenians happened to have joined the Nazi party or joined the German military in whatever capacity. So yes - to blame Jews is an untruthful generalization. By doing so you obscure the real causes of the Genocide by putting up this false Jewish/Zionist agenda that never existed in this context.

Lying piece of xxxx, they were NOT turks!

Pan-Turkism was first called for in the 1860s by a Hungarian Zionist named Arminius Vambery.

The Jewish French writer, Leon Cahun who formed and propagated pan-Turkism in his book:
Introduction al'Histoire de l'Asie, Turcs, et Mongols, des ...

Arthur L. David, a British Jew who in his book tried to give the Turks a superiority myth.

Hellektor, see why this piece of zionist filth doesn't want me around? He is clearly lying about them being turks, but what you really need to do is ask yourself, why.

[imported_Hellektor]

Hellektor -

I stand by what I said. I do not at all buy your characterization of Pan Turkism having anything to do with Jews except that some of the Turks were Jewish - however they were clearly acting as Turks and their religious affiliation did not come into play. Likewise I don't at all see being able to say "Jews" had a part in the Armenian Genocide any more then someone might claim (and they do) that Armenians had a role in the Holocaust because some Armenians happened to have joined the Nazi party or joined the German military in whatever capacity. So yes - to blame Jews is an untruthful generalization. By doing so you obscure the real causes of the Genocide by putting up this false Jewish/Zionist agenda that never existed in this context.

You say "shame on you" to me, and when I put some questions to you, this is all you come up with?

Here the questions again:

Since you know all these names and you are a true student of these times would you please enlighten us why they show up in all the wrong places?

What was a huge Jewish delegation doing in Baku recently, encouraging the "Azeris" and promising them to spread their poison in Iran using the Turkish speaking Iranians for their subversive plans?

In the same days, "Azeri" filth attacked the Armenian Prelacy of Atrpatakan in Tabriz. Fortunately the police stopped them before they did serious damage. Such a thing had never happened in Iran. You might prefer to see us exterminated like in Sumgait so that they will get their xxxxing Vaseline oil rather than someone criticizes your poor, innocent Jews.

So you see, your Jews don't give a semi-flying xxxx the Armenians of Iran might become targets for pan-turkist genocidal hate. They will xxxxxle on other nations' rights to get what they want and they've done it time and time again in the past.

You don't seem to care that if Armenia falls in those money-worshippers' trap and cedes land to "Azeris" to receive handouts from Uncle Sam, as was "promised" by that devil Ariel Cohen, then Armenia will be on the verge of extinction.

Can you tell us who's behind that disgusting International Crisis Group?

Can you tell us how come the destruction of the Jugha cemetery doesn't get the slightest attention from the Jew owned news media whereas if a Swastika is sprayed on a modern Jewish tombstone without any artistic value they cry havoc and "Hitler, Nazi, Holocaust" for days?

Can you tell us why no Jew owned world media gave a damn about the Gurgen Markarian mutilation in a NATO framework, the glorification of the beast and his catapulting to the "honor" of man of the year in Azgarbageland whereas the same media showers the world with emotional blackmail and cries of "Nazi, Hitler, anti-Semite" don't stop for days when a Jew is killed in Paris?

Why do the Jeuropean Junion and OSCE xxxxxxs put the = between Armenia and Azgarbageland whenever they are telling them to refrain from warmongering or destroying "one another's" cultural heritage, etc?

I wonder why...

If you don't want to reply fine, but don't come again and hammer on ONE point in my post which freaked you out:
Pan-turkism was put in the heads of the Turks by Jews like Emmanuel Carasso, Leon Cahun, Arminius Vamberry, Lumley David, Primo Levi, Oscar Straus, Tekin Alp, Falik Bey Toledo, etc. These were not all Turks.
Jews have had a part in the AG and I also stand by what I said.

[Parandzem]

I have never seen such lying, squirming and dancing around trying to subvert the truth.

You can detect the very palpable hatred and rabid venomous rage from this 1.5 million piece of s.hit.

He reminds me of a crooked lawyer who knows damn well his client is guilty as hell, but he will pervert, subvert and bend the law to get his client off the hook and set free to kill and rape again.

[imported_Hellektor]

Good luck with your Jew bashing

Jooboian/Parandzem, it seems you dispise everyone in this forum. I'm being as civilized as possible with you unlike the others, because I understand your anger, but you still spew your gull at me. OK, I'll refrain from supporting you in this forum.

And believe it or not when I wrote "It is true that the state of Israel does not recognize the AG." I was going to say: Not only is it true that the state of Israel does not recognize the AG, (but also) they deny it.
The awkward "Not only... but also" made me decide to cut the second part. I do understand there's a difference between not recognizing and denying.
Believe it or not.

And oh yes, more than 25 million Russians died in WWII. It's horrible, but it's a little bit different than planned genocide.

[Gavur]

1.5 is a staunch defender of Armenian Genocide

So he wont let a dust on jews
Is that reason enough to degrade him?