Reperation? Ok but How much?

[imported_Hellektor]

Just another point regarding Hellektor's desire to take back 'home' : i am sure, we are all aware that land does not come alone, it comes with the population living on it and i am very surprised to find such an attitude in those who should have known it best, due to all those suffered in the past.

The land had its indigenous population until 1915.
It didn't bother the Turks to wipe the owners of the land off their homeland for thousands of years.

Let me give you an example:

I have managed, over the years to build a mansion with 50 rooms. For generations we lived in our mansion.
Then some rapist, murderous thieves came and raped and slaughtered my family. They squatted in my mansion and bred like rabbits.

Now they are telling me: Look we are 250 in these 50 rooms and only 10 of your family survive now. We have automatically become the landlords as a result of using our weapons of mass population.

Now I tell you: You'd better used some pills, condoms or something. I can't care less how fast you bred in my home. It is still my home and every law in the universe will confirm that I'm right. Maybe I just want to walk into different empty rooms and fart or sing or whatever. It's nobody's business what I do in my own house.

BTW, there's a land 5 times larger than Turkey the other side of the Caspian. It used to belong to Turanians, a people of Iranian descent who were wiped by your ancestors in the 6th century. No one claims those lands, go back to where you come from and start building a civilization. That way you'll understand the effort civilized people put into creating a homeland and probably that will make you civilized and you'll refrain from destroying the cities, villages and cultural heritage of other peoples.

[ScythianVizier]

It didn't bother the Turks to wipe the owners of the land off their homeland for thousands of years.

I dont accept the ownership of lands like Anatolia which was the cradle of many civilizations. The Armenians were only one of the many who lived in Anatolia, and living on such land does not turn anyone into the landlord.

[Heat]

I dont accept the ownership of lands like Anatolia which was the cradle of many civilizations. The Armenians were only one of the many who lived in Anatolia, and living on such land does not turn anyone into the landlord.

It was the cradle of civilizations to many exept for the turks who now claim to be the landlords.

Even if I were to agree with you on the landlord part regarding the land, there's no way I would agree that the homes built by Armenians should now belong to turks.

[ScythianVizier]

It was the cradle of civilizations to many exept for the turks who now claim to be the landlords.

Even if I were to agree with you on the landlord part regarding the land, there's no way I would agree that the homes built by Armenians should now belong to turks.

I did not suggest that the homes built by the Armenians belong to the Turks. I believe that the ones who wish to resettle in Anatolia and wish to move back to their Armenian built homes must be able to do so, and such process must be assisted by the Turkish government.

[Heat]

Just another point regarding Hellektor's desire to take back 'home' : i am sure, we are all aware that land does not come alone, it comes with the population living on it and i am very surprised to find such an attitude in those who should have known it best, due to all those suffered in the past.

Not our problem. Squatters are squatters and they will have to vacate. What kind of logic is this that we have to feel sorry for those who wiped out the native inhabitants?

If and when we advocate a genocide in order to get our homes back, then you can cry for them, but until then, they should be evicted like all squatters are and I would hardly call being evicted as suffering. If you're thinking of calling what happened to the Armenians an "eviction", don't even bother trying.

[Heat]

Maybe I just want to walk into different empty rooms and fart or sing or whatever. It's nobody's business what I do in my own house.

I fully agree. I wonder how these bleeding heart's would react if even a square inch of their own homes was taken over let alone the whole thing. I'm so sure that they would feel sympathy for the squatters who have moved into their home and instead of forcing them to leave, they would just go and build another house somewhere else and let the squatters keep the home since they might not have any place else to go.

Hey, I have a great idea! Why don't these bleeding heart's give their own homes to the turks if they feel so bad for them?

BTW, there's a land 5 times larger than Turkey the other side of the Caspian. It used to belong to Turanians, a people of Iranian descent who were wiped by your ancestors in the 6th century. No one claims those lands, go back to where you come from and start building a civilization. That way you'll understand the effort civilized people put into creating a homeland and probably that will make you civilized and you'll refrain from destroying the cities, villages and cultural heritage of other peoples.

These people aren't builders, they are destroyers of civilization and they wouldn't know the first thing about building anything let alone a civilization. To get a good look at their handy work, just look at any turkish tourism literature. It's their insane jealousy that drives them to destroy things that others have built because they know that they have never been capable of building such things and they never will be able to achieve anything even close to what our people had accomplishe thousands of years ago.

[imported_Hellektor]

Hellektor and heat had the idea(Idont know where it comes from) that eastern Anatolia was ethnically pure Armenian land and nobody but Armenians lived there since the beginning of time, not to mention the ethnic empires built by Armenians! But Turks got an took Armenian lands from Armenians, bla bla and bla sort of same things.

Man! Do you always have to change the subject?
Different ethnicities LIVING in an area doesn't mean that one STRANGER ethnicity comes and RULES over the INDIGENOUS peoples, subjugates them, enslaves them, rapes them, destroys their homes, churches, villages, cities, wipes them out...
Had you behaved like civilized guests, then be my guest! But you did not behave.
Invasion, subjugation, destruction, rape, pillage, plunder and genocide don't come under the category of some new peaceful people coming to live in an area where already other ethnicities live.

Hellektor and heat had the idea(Idont know where it comes from) that eastern Anatolia was ethnically pure Armenian.

Oh, TurQ come on! You've been in this forum for long enough time to refrain from such insults.
Shall I repeat my bet? Will you not chicken out?

You show me a historic map or a historic document done before the Armenian Genocide, where Armenia is called “Eastern Anatolia”. If you can produce ONE such document/map then xxxx ME, if you can come up with NONE then xxxx YOU and all the members of your species who call Armenia “Eastern Anatolia”.

Anatolia is Greek for east.
It's a meaningless term itself. East of what? Maybe east of Greek lands or east to Europe.
Anatolia = east
Eastern Anatolia = eastern east = bullxxxx

[Joseph]

Man! Do you always have to change the subject?
Different ethnicities LIVING in an area doesn't mean that one STRANGER ethnicity comes and RULES over the INDIGENOUS peoples, subjugates them, enslaves them, rapes them, destroys their homes, churches, villages, cities, wipes them out...
Had you behaved like civilized guests, then be my guest! But you did not behave.
Invasion, subjugation, destruction, rape, pillage, plunder and genocide don't come under the category of some new peaceful people coming to live in an area where already other ethnicities live.


Oh, TurQ come on! You've been in this forum for long enough time to refrain from such insults.
Shall I repeat my bet? Will you not chicken out?

You show me a historic map or a historic document done before the Armenian Genocide, where Armenia is called “Eastern Anatolia”. If you can produce ONE such document/map then xxxx ME, if you can come up with NONE then xxxx YOU and all the members of your species who call Armenia “Eastern Anatolia”.

Anatolia is Greek for east.
It's a meaningless term itself. East of what? Maybe east of Greek lands or east to Europe.
Anatolia = east
Eastern Anatolia = eastern east = bullxxxx

Hellektor,

I know you are a passionate guy but please don't curse, ok?

[Heat]

Hellektor and heat had the idea(Idont know where it comes from) that eastern Anatolia was ethnically pure Armenian land and nobody but Armenians lived there since the beginning of time, not to mention the ethnic empires built by Armenians!

Never said any such thing about "pure Armenian land and nobody but Armenians lived there" or anything else like that, so you're just making xxxx up as usual.

But Turks got an took Armenian lands from Armenians, bla bla and bla sort of same things.

And you deny this happened, right?

Let me guess. It was the turks who were there first and Armenians decided to go there and settle on turkish lands which they later tried to steal some of from the turks who are the original native inhabitants, right?

Go ahead and tell us how turkey is the "cradle of civilization", when everyone knows that turks can't even begin to grasp what the concept of "civilization" means.

turks = Barbaric savages who can't build or do anything productive. Their only way of "earning" a living was by murdering other people and pludering. If it wasn't for the homes of the Armenians killed by these savages, they would still be living in yurts.

[ScythianVizier]

Hellektor and heat had the idea(Idont know where it comes from) that eastern Anatolia was ethnically pure Armenian land and nobody but Armenians lived there since the beginning of time, not to mention the ethnic empires built by Armenians! But Turks got an took Armenian lands from Armenians, bla bla and bla sort of same things.

This guys still think that through out the history people had the 19th century fashion nationalism and nation-state idealogy.

Everyone might have different agenda, but our duty must be reaching some compromise with the ordinary Armenians who wish to resettle in Anatolia.

I dont favour nationalism, however, I believe that the cultural aura of each ethnicity could be protected, and this notion could also be applicable to the Armenians who wish to migrate back to Turkey. I think, such mindset is crucial since regaining hearts of the Armenian nation will be a huge relief for Turkey and the Turks.