Reperation? Ok but How much?

[maral_m79]

Hmmmmm.It seems like a utopia.

But don't give up.

Our dreams are our aims of life.

But migrating to Turkey and living with Turks and Kurds looks more realistic.

Think that option too.

Please!!!

Unfortunately RUDO it's not...

Do you think that we can TRUST "Turkish Government" once again ?

Do you think that we'll be able to send our children to schools where they teach them BS and brainwash them that their greatgrandfathers are treators and THEY DESERVED to be BUTCHERED ?

Do you think that we will be able to feel safe ?

Do you think that IT IS EVEN FAIR to BUY our FAMILY HOUSES which we have all the right to own ?

Do you think that we will be morally able to PAY TAX to Turkish Government so it make more denial DVDs and buy more immoral writeres ??

Do you think that it is FAIR to return to our land without PROPER DIGNIFICATION, and RECOGNITION OF CRIMES that were committed against us by the Turkish Government ?

My grandparents RUDO jan MARCHED out of their homes for months on feet & lost their entier families for genderme's knives & daggers ... Do you think that WE CAN EVER FORGET THAT ??


Armenians migration to Turkey today IS BEYOND REASON !!!
If I have to FORCE my children and their children TO REMEMBER that WE OWE TURKS JUSTICE, I'll do it...

[elendil]

Unfortunately RUDO it's not...

Do you think that we can TRUST "Turkish Government" once again ?

Do you think that we'll be able to send our children to schools where they teach them BS and brainwash them that their greatgrandfathers are treators and THEY DESERVED to be BUTCHERED ?

Do you think that we will be able to feel safe ?

Do you think that IT IS EVEN FAIR to BUY our FAMILY HOUSES which we have all the right to own ?

Do you think that we will be morally able to PAY TAX to Turkish Government so it make more denial DVDs and buy more immoral writeres ??

Do you think that it is FAIR to return to our land without PROPER DIGNIFICATION, and RECOGNITION OF CRIMES that were committed against us by the Turkish Government ?

My grandparents RUDO jan MARCHED out of their homes for months on feet & lost their entier families for genderme's knives & daggers ... Do you think that WE CAN EVER FORGET THAT ??


Armenians migration to Turkey today IS BEYOND REASON !!!
If I have to FORCE my children and their children TO REMEMBER that WE OWE TURKS JUSTICE, I'll do it...

Unfortunatly it seems the enmity between two nations will endure for a much longer period of time. Honestly speaking Turkey settling Diaspora Armenian to eastern Turkey is pretty unrealistic. In a land where people migrate to can not speak a common language with the majority(Turkish, Kurdish) would result in ethnical tension which we do not really need in Turkey. Not to point out people of eastern Turkey have been brainwashed against anything Armenian, they react to everything including Armenia-Armenians with an attitude near to violence. Maral would be wise not to trust to our people living there not our state...Anyway at this level I also doubt that people of Armenia or Diaspora would be able or want to settle to Turkey even if they are allowed to do so. Armenian people's claim on Turkish borders is errr... I dont know how to say this without hurting nationalistic feelings of people....let's say out of question.
Common-sensed would be able to see that Turkey's hold on its terittory is absolute and has power,willed-people to keep it.

[Joseph]

Unfortunatly it seems the enmity between two nations will endure for a much longer period of time. Honestly speaking Turkey settling Diaspora Armenian to eastern Turkey is pretty unrealistic. In a land where people migrate to can not speak a common language with the majority(Turkish, Kurdish) would result in ethnical tension which we do not really need in Turkey. Not to point out people of eastern Turkey have been brainwashed against anything Armenian, they react to everything including Armenia-Armenians with an attitude near to violence. Maral would be wise not to trust to our people living there not our state...Anyway at this level I also doubt that people of Armenia or Diaspora would be able or want to settle to Turkey even if they are allowed to do so. Armenian people's claim on Turkish borders is errr... I dont know how to say this without hurting nationalistic feelings of people....let's say out of question.
Common-sensed would be able to see that Turkey's hold on its terittory is absolute and has power,willed-people to keep it.

I do not think Armenians moving back there is very realistic either. At this point, with the violence and poverty, I don't think anyone is really that happy or comfortable out east. I've said this a few times but I wish Armenians could fix up the old churches and were free and safe to visit their ancestral homes and one day open tourist related businesses. Both sides would benefit from this. I would also advocate opening the border, if not for the trade aspect, at least to let Armenians visit Ani.

As far as people's reactions out east to Armenians, in general the Kurds (the majority in most eastern areas) are very friendly towards Armenians. It's the police and military you have to worry about as an Armenian visiting the area. A group of folks from my church visited in the summer of 2001 and traveled extensively and had many positive experiences with the common folk.

On another topic, I would encourage everyone to rent "JOURNEY INTO THE SUN", a film by Günese Yoculuk.

[TurQ]

Maral

It is one of those times that you are unreasonably angry.

It is an optional thing, and right now TUrkish government is in no position to offer such citizenships. I also think that at least symbolic such citizenships could be granted for certain Armenians. I dont think RUDO is asking you to be Turkish citizen and live in TUrkey. If you dont it's ok.

But at any rate, I would like you to come to Turkey and at least visit. We are hospitipal people, I am sure you will enjoy that visit.

If you go to Izmir, RUDO might take you to Kadife Kale for a tea.But sure after his University enterance exams finishes.

Unfortunately RUDO it's not...

Do you think that we can TRUST "Turkish Government" once again ?

Do you think that we'll be able to send our children to schools where they teach them BS and brainwash them that their greatgrandfathers are treators and THEY DESERVED to be BUTCHERED ?

Do you think that we will be able to feel safe ?

Do you think that IT IS EVEN FAIR to BUY our FAMILY HOUSES which we have all the right to own ?

Do you think that we will be morally able to PAY TAX to Turkish Government so it make more denial DVDs and buy more immoral writeres ??

Do you think that it is FAIR to return to our land without PROPER DIGNIFICATION, and RECOGNITION OF CRIMES that were committed against us by the Turkish Government ?

My grandparents RUDO jan MARCHED out of their homes for months on feet & lost their entier families for genderme's knives & daggers ... Do you think that WE CAN EVER FORGET THAT ??


Armenians migration to Turkey today IS BEYOND REASON !!!
If I have to FORCE my children and their children TO REMEMBER that WE OWE TURKS JUSTICE, I'll do it...

[elendil]

I do not think Armenians moving back there is very realistic either. At this point, with the violence and poverty, I don't think anyone is really that happy or comfortable out east. I've said this a few times but I wish Armenians could fix up the old churches and were free and safe to visit their ancestral homes and one day open tourist related businesses. Both sides would benefit from this. I would also advocate opening the border, if not for the trade aspect, at least to let Armenians visit Ani.

Yes people are not comfortable in east, you have the right of it.
To Armenians want to visit Ani, I would allow if it was in my hands. After all you resided there for a thousand years, you should be able to visit your thousand churches. Bussiness is good, bussiness is fine. If someone can persuade Armenia and Armenians the Turkish border is the "border"
I dont see why we should not open it.

As far as people's reactions out east to Armenians, in general the Kurds (the majority in most eastern areas) are very friendly towards Armenians. It's the police and military you have to worry about as an Armenian visiting the area. A group of folks from my church visited in the summer of 2001 and traveled extensively and had many positive experiences with the common folk.

If they had visited Istanbul, they would tell you about positive experiences also. But you must remember in middle-east guest and neighbour terms are very different. I know my people, be it Kurdish or Turkish...

On another topic, I would encourage everyone to rent "JOURNEY INTO THE SUN", a film by Günese Yoculuk.

Hmm I will download it if I can find it on e-mule, torrent sites....

[Varouj]

Hellektor,

I know you are a passionate guy but please don't curse, ok?

Considering the absurdities he was replying to, it was quite appropriate.

[Varouj]

70 millions will be waiting......

21st century technology makes numbers so meaningless.

[Kharpert]

What does that mean?

[elendil]

21st century technology makes numbers so meaningless

Just to the opposite. 21st century will be a century of numbers. (China, Russia)
You are so confident, one will think that you have a very forward looking armament policy or large research funds or a large economy which is based on production.

[imported_DHolyGhost]

I do not think Armenians moving back there is very realistic either. At this point, with the violence and poverty, I don't think anyone is really that happy or comfortable out east. I've said this a few times but I wish Armenians could fix up the old churches and were free and safe to visit their ancestral homes and one day open tourist related businesses. Both sides would benefit from this. I would also advocate opening the border, if not for the trade aspect, at least to let Armenians visit Ani.

As far as people's reactions out east to Armenians, in general the Kurds (the majority in most eastern areas) are very friendly towards Armenians. It's the police and military you have to worry about as an Armenian visiting the area. A group of folks from my church visited in the summer of 2001 and traveled extensively and had many positive experiences with the common folk.

On another topic, I would encourage everyone to rent "JOURNEY INTO THE SUN", a film by Günese Yoculuk.

yes most of Armenians waited 90 years so Turkey let us have picnics at Ani’s site, I personally waiting when the borders are open so I can go to Turkey to our historic lands to pick some flowers and also see where our entire race was about to vanish from the face of this planet, that would be enough for me.